Bike lane dividers for Minneapolis?
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Here's the problem: Those white striped bike lanes do little to prevent some drivers from tearing into the lane. Even the lanes with different colored pavement, like on Hennepin Ave., can't keep the police from using it as a parking spot. Here's possible solution: zebra dividers.
They have nothing to do with mussels.
The ZEBRA, is a black oval plastic piece that is fixed to the floor on the line between the road and the bicycle path to avoid motorbikes and cars from entering. The white irregular stripes make it highly visible and quite an attractive piece. Zebra is very durable, low-maintenance and non-slippery.*via
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If the cops are not parking in the bike lane their parking on the Mall sidewalk.
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 10:02AMThese "ZEBRA's" would be great if snowplows weren't an Issue.
That may be the same reason we don't have the raised reflective lane dividers on our freeway system.
Will they stop the bikers from using the sidewalks and ignoring traffic laws? Because then I am all for it.
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 11:08AMDominneapolis is right. Snowplows would rip those right out on the first pass. And ElliotParkRes, what ratio do you suppose there is between # of scofflaw cyclists and # of motorists who disregard traffic laws?
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 11:14AMI don't know the numbers, what are they? Two wrongs do not make a right. I am not a fan of either. But you would think that cyclists would be a little more cautious due to the fact that they are so vulnerable. With that, I understand why some ride on the sidewalk due to texting, unaware drivers out there.
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 11:25AMAnd I know I am lumping all cyclists into a category, which is not accurate. There are plenty of law abiding cyclists and drivers. Like everything else, it is just the bad ones that I see that stand out. I live downtown and walk everywhere. A lot of cyclists complain about cars but, in a lot of cases, they are not looking out for us that are hoofing it.
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 11:30AMOr they could learn to drive a damn car like a real American!
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 12:24PMThere are a number of cities that can serve as models for the TC. Montreal has a very extensive network of bike paths and trails using different models. In some cases, the dividers between bike paths and car traffic on city streets are actually narrow "boulevards". Berlin, one of the most bike-friendly cities in the world, has double the size of sidewalks that we currently have here and half or one-third of the sidewalk functions as a one-way bike path that is demarcated either by colored lines or with red brick paths that are part an integral part of the sidewalk. Minneapolis clearly has more than enough space to try the Berlin model, if you think of Park or Portland Aves.
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 1:11PMConsidering Minneapolis just got voted one of the top ten cities IN THE WORLD for being bike friendly, I would suggest that other cities look to Minneapolis as a model for their cities. Oh, and we are also the number two most bike friendly city in the country, right after Portland, OR.
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 1:59PMOh MW, I recommend that you travel throughout the major cities of central and northern Europe and North American cities such as Montreal to see how far we still have to go as far as bike culture is concerned. For the US, the TC may be a model but we definitely have room for improvement, especially in terms of safety for bikers from cars.
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 2:35PMThe stench of snobbery permiated all the way through my computer from that last post.
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 3:05PMGreat way to generate comments on cp.com, manage to include the word "bike" in every article.
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 3:31PMYes! If not the zebra dividers, definitely something must be done. Ever since the accident on 14th and Park where a helmeted cyclist was hit and killed by a semi I've been using the sidewalk whenever I can. Both the truck driver and cyclist followed the letter of the law, which means it was a statistical death we as a society have accepted. Bikes and automobiles simply aren't meant to share the same roadways.
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 3:32PMFullTimeCyclist,
The truck driver didn't follow the letter of the law. They were both stopped at a light and when the light turned green, they both pulled forward. The letter of the law is that the truck driver was required to yield to the bicyclist which he did not do.
Similarly, the pedestrian who was struck in the sidewalk while crossing a week or two later a block or two down Park - the bus that was turning may have had a green, but they were still required to yield to the pedestrian in the cross walk.
Both situations are similar to a car on a two lane road turning left into the oncoming traffic when the light turned green.
FWIW, you're putting yourself at greater risk by riding on the sidewalks - they're statistically _more_ dangerous for bicycling than riding on the streets.
Whenever I read bike vs. car vs. ped discussions I'm always struck by how much we like to complain about each other (the 'other.)' There is no easy solution but, as a biker, I am glad these conversations have finally moved into the mainstream!
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 3:57PMI really enjoyed reading this post… well thought out and written. Thank you.
Posted On: Friday, Jul. 10 2009 @ 6:22AMThere are two ideas being talked about in the city right now for this sort of actual physical barrier for bike lanes.
The first will just be part-time, but it will be interesting to see how well it works. On First Ave in downtown, the bike lane will be next to the curb. During peak hours, it'll be next to a traffic lane. But during off-peak hours, the nearest traffic lane will become a parking lane, and the parked cars will provide a physical barrier. I'm picturing a comfier Saturday night ride through downtown than I typically find on Hennepin.
The second is a proposal for the north end of the bike lanes that are proposed for Central Ave NE. The lanes are planned for the whole length of Central, from downtown to Columbia Heights, but the section I'm talking about is the far north, north of Eastside Coop. The traffic engineer working on this project brought a concept to the city's bicycle advisory committee that would put the bike lane on the inside of the parking lane, with a curbed boulevard between the two. At intersections, the bike lane would come back out next to traffic, so that drivers can see that we're there and not right hook us.
It's a great concept, and there have to be good alternatives that work in our climate.
Posted On: Friday, Jul. 10 2009 @ 10:45AMI have heard that MPLS is doubling the amount of bike routes over the next year. Doing a quick news Google, I haven't been able to uncover much press on this. Maybe more journalism work should be done to get this in front of the general citizen?
That alone is a huge and positive accomplishment. The way it is done is also a great up front consideration.
I've lived 5 years in Madison, WI with no car -- basically bike commuting everywhere. The solution Madison took definitely depended on the amount of traffic that a lane had -- with greatest traffic lanes resulting in concrete barriers for bike lanes.
I've never seen these Zebra barriers in place in the Midwest -- As Dominneapolis points out, most likely due to the snow removal process. In San Francisco, there are raised bump dividers everywhere -- and that works for them. Still I have not seen the Zebra barriers.
Since my move to Minneapolis, I've been overjoyed with how much work has been done with the bike lanes. Having lived in and bike commuted in San Francisco, Chicago, Madison, Washington D.C., and Duluth -- Minneapolis is ahead of the game for U.S. Cities.
I personally would like to get more involved with the advisory committee, but for the next few months I live out in the burbs. I would love to see a photo montage of Montreal and other progressive bike cities for generating ideas. Would also love to get traffic engineers and advisory committees from these various cities together for idea sharing...
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