Jesse Ventura banned from Huffington Post for conspiracy mongering

In assessing any conspiracy theory, always ask ONE question. How many people did it take to carry out this conspiracy?

How many people would be required to move that much explosive material into a public building?

Anytime TWO people know something, its no longer a secret!

I'm not sure about Jesse. I'm not sure about "truthers." I do know that history, both past and present, is full of "conspiracies," and people with something to hide find it very convenient to brand their critics as "conspiracy theorists," as if that name somehow discredits the criticisms. And I'm pretty sure that HuffPo, as a partisan subsidiary of a very compromised political group, doesn't have much credibility with many people. Does that mean I believe Jesse? I'm not sure. But he's a lot more interesting than HuffPo has become.

Down with the two-party dictatorship, and their legions of cohorts in mainstream media.

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Hahahaha thanks for the links to those hilarious sites. That's almost as funny as http://www.unarius.org/

What's wrong with asking questions about what happened on one of the most traumatic days in American history? Why is it that people who dare to ask questions are instantly marginalized, including instantly dismissed by juvenille name-calling as "truthers?" One comment above says, "I'm not sure about these truthers." What kind of statement is that? People who ask questions about 9/11--or anything else for that matter--are not largely organized into a monolithic block that can be ignored by calling them a name (usually a name ending in -er, by the way), as has apparently become the popular contention lately. People are people. If a person wants to ask questions or wear a blue shirt, that doesn't make them a "truther" anymore than it does a "blue-shirter." If any individual honestly don't want to ask questions about 9/11, or has no questions about 9/11, or anything else, well, then that's fine (its bizarre, considering that 9/11 has changed the entire path of the nation, but whatever, its anyone's perogative). But maybe that same individual should at least ask him/herself why all the sudden its SO WRONG to dare to question the government line, and why all the sudden the big, bad, boogie-men who the media is telling us all to fear are the 9/11 truthers. At least ask yourself, "What's up with that?"

The comment about how many people would it take to keep it a secret is laughable on it's face.

1. How many whistle-blowers would it take to wake you up? Apparently, almost 10,000 highly educated professionals isn't enough. Does Cheney himself have to dial you up and tell you, "Yes, damn it, I was part of the plot and I'll tell you the rest if you're willing to listen", before you'll take anything seriously?

2. How many times have you ever heard of a criminal voluntarily coming out and telling for everyone to hear, "Yes, I did it. Please come and give me a lethal injection." Not too often I take it.

3. Apparently, it was easy enough for 19 less than well educated hijackers to cause all that destruction, but it would take thousands of well-placed people to do it.

4. The same buildings that could be taken down so easily by a little fire would take tons and tons of well placed explosives to do the same thing.

Keri- The problem is that people like Ventura are what influence the masses to refer to truthers and conspiracy theorists in a negative light. Did you watch his episode on 9/11? It was nothing but hearsay interviews and then his own speculation based on that hearsay. He didn't present any legit factual information.

People like him I have no respect for, because you can definitely be sure there is a portion of our population that is taking what he says to be the gospel truth, and are not seeing the huge potential for facts to be twisted and spun. I don't believe that's right. People like him claim all the time that the government is constantly pumping out propaganda, when they do it themselves.

I do have respect for the people who will however hold a legitimate discussion about their beliefs vs. mine and will present legit facts that can be backed up. However most of these so called "truthers" and their followers would rather just start name calling when you question them instead, and prove their idiocy.

NoSco Thug> do you realize that only on this very discussion thread the clear majority of namecalling insults came from the proponents of the gov. version - not the way around as you try to suggest. So, clearly you did not pass a very easy test of reasoning and logic here.

Most of the people including Ventura don't prop up any theories, they ask questions and want new independent investigation. If you don't believe check youtube, Ventura or the scientist for 9/11 Truth, they are all over the place.

The Hardly boys, two young whipper snappers with a knack for solving mysteries. The Mystery of the Urinal Deuce.

The only legit fact needed is a 9th grade force equation.
Issac Newton must be a conspiracy theorist ex post facto....

i agree. why cant people ask simple questions of science without everyone trying to shut them up?
are we so willing to go along with our government, so afraid to ask questions, so submissive that when anyone else asks questions we try to shame them, make them clam up?
ask the questions- i'm sure our government was hiding lot of facts from us- Bush was a proven liar yet people still try to "forget" that fact.

I'm cool with asking questions and questioning the "official story" but I think if you poke the conspiracy theories about 9/11 with a stick they fall apart pretty quickly. They just don't make logical sense.

There's no way they could have put bombs in those buildings without people finding out. Think about how many people would have to be involved with such a thing... it's insane.

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@Marvin

Claiming "there's no way" demonstrates closure to any ideas but those you've grown used to.

Nothing in unquestionable. Nothing.

Is a very insteresting program host Jesse Ventura, I like to watch it everytime, I think he might be right

Greetings from Kansas!

Popular Science must have been part of the government cover up considering the massive article they wrote that scientifically debunked every single conspiracy theory about 9/11 ...

I call BS!

To MARVIN.

If you would read about it. Some experts are saying that there were traces of Nano-thermite which is a flammable high burning temperature Nano material.

This material can be mixed into wall paint and one would not know any difference.

Now if you continue to read you will see that EVERY day WTC buildings were painted, repainted and fixed all the time. Now it really takes only one Company that has the contract to paint the buildings and only one paint shipment to contain the Nano-thermite material.

I think this is still a legitimate subject of investigation. There has been no significant scientific explanation of how the buildings actually collapsed; only a computer model that we're not allowed to know how it was designed.

Here's something I'd like people to consider...

Two Trade Towers: $400 million (1973), $1,910,095,109 today.
New 747: $250 million (today)

Cost of Iraq & Afghanistan Wars: $969,694,840,000
(also must consider the cost of life and reconstruction costs)

OK, so imagine it would take $1 trillion to build a replica of one of the trade towers that fell (I'd be willing to cut costs and simply build the steel frame and fly a plane into that and see if it stands, but we want flaming materials, don't we, so let's just put up the cost and make it as real as possible)

OK, and the cost of the plan can surely be discounted, as I know there are many planes degrading in quality, but hey, let's give an airline a bone and pay for a new 747 for them in exchange of using an aging plane for our test.

One key factor is to determine who would be responsible for overseeing the operations.

Funds could be recovered by opening the tower up to investigations/tours by independent people and curious citizens.

Then, we fly the plane into the building. No lives lost. We get to witness what happens. It would be broadcast live (pay per view?).

I figure most of you would like to save money when you can, right? I feel like this situation was like going to buy a car and the salesman makes you an offer. You can take the $100,000 car and while it maybe looks good and sounds good, there's little guarantee that it will work, esp. over the long term. You're alternative is a cheap, $1,000 car that doesn't quite appeal as much, but you're guaranteed service. What do you take?

I'd rather pay less for something that's going to work.

I'd be interested in the logic that would prove that this idea has no value.

Are you really glad we spent more money than it would have cost to get sound evidence for the events of 911 to "bail out" bankers that are responsible for the decline of this country?

Wouldn't you rather know the truth? Just look into the history of the FBI. If you don't question the government after that, then you are truly blind and I feel sorry for you.

What is the saying about truth? First it's ridiculed, then ignored, then violently opposed, then finally accepted as self-evident? I can't debate you so I censor you? Ok, sure, why not...

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You claim that explosives were used? Show us the evidence. Who planted it? When? What motive? Everything brought up by so far has been either baseless conjecture or comprehensively debunked. For every "expert" claiming a cover-up, there are thousands of others claiming otherwise.

@Zack Gol

Yes, it might have been the Men In Black who painted the building with nano-thermite material. It could have been a countless number of things. However, you have no proof, only conjecture. Show evidence that there was a painting company hired by the Governmite to paint a building with explosive paint, then we'll talk.

There's no article there... I see error!

Seriously you guys who believe this just need to learn to read up on the science. It has been discussed at length and proven why the towers collapsed.

Enough already..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center

JustStunned, I really suggest you get your head out of the sand. There's a few government paid scientists who won't show us their computer models and you think that is "discussed at length and proven". I'm sorry, that is not proven. As some commenter before stated, the "proof" is a 9th grade physics force equation that proves the government story cannot be right. Another physics law that proves the government story false is something called "the law of conservation of energy".

As the article said, there are 1100 professional architects and structural engineers who have put their reputations and jobs on the line to support this. They are not all "conspiracy kooks". There are nearly 8000 other well educated science and engineering professionals (not architects or structural engineers) who have also gone on record. You put your two government-paid shills up against nearly 10,000 well educated, science and engineering professionals? How insane are you?

James, your claim that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence is simply not logical and you use it to back up your illogical thoughts about the government fairy tale, because your scared to know the truth.

But even if we accept your claim, then the government needs to supply extraordinary evidence, because they are making extraordinary claims. 19 hijackers coordinated out of a cave in Afganistan could take over four planes with just box cutters and then somehow evade the best military in the world for several hours. Then, based on a few flight lessons, they can fly commercial airliners in ways that even experienced military pilots would be hard pressed to do and can fly unerringly into 3 buildings and cause them to collapse when no other steel framed buildings in history have. Then somehow, an unharmed paper passport are miraculously found in the rubble when there was no piece of concrete bigger than a pebble found.

And to your point about baseless conjecture, you need to re-evaluate your definition of baseless and your definition of conjecture. None of the "anomalies" I mention is conjecture, they are fact. The laws of physics is not conjecture - we see them in action and rely on them for our very existance. Nearly 10,000 well educated professionals don't seem to think that the evidence is baseless nor do they think that it is conjecture. But of course you're smarter than them - and I have a bridge to see you if your interested.

On Sept 11th, 2001 Islamic Fundamentalist highjacked fuel laden airliners and flew them into the World Trade Center's twin towers. The subsuquent explosion and fires toppled the buildings. No other explanation is needed or required. Oh, by the way,there was no one on the grassy knoll, we really landed on the moon, Barack Obama is truly a citizen of the USA, aliens have never visited this planet, and any other wacky conspiracy theory you can think of is wrong. Ventura is a buffoon.

Take a look at the comment by "Another Paul". Pretty sick huh.

How does he justify that no other explosions are needed when thousands of highly educated architects and engineers says they are - we should just believe him? What are his credentials?

Or maybe he's implying, "So what if the government was in on it. It is fine by me that they killed 3000 odd people and lied to use about it. I really don't care and I really don't want to know that the government was involved." If that's what he thinks, then there's really no place for him in this country in any case - I mean, what did those millions of people in various wars over two centuries fight for anyway? So people like him can sit around and laugh about mass murderers getting away with murder and treason?

Then to top it all off, rather than talking about the facts, he falls back on the classic propaganda technique of "guilt-by-association" trying to equate legitimate questions about our government with a host of other things that most people would consider crazy.

Get a life "Another Paul". Go back to school and retake classes on physics, logic, and social-studies, which either you failed in the first place or you never took. I guess this just goes to show you how low our education standards have gotten.

Well there were two black boxes (which are kind of resistant, at least that's their purpose) that were never found, but a crappy paper or plastic passport from a terrorist was found! Not the passports of the passengers, not even pieces of the passengers bodies, but one terrorist passport! I haven't seen this debunked.

Please see previous comment.

I agree that the 9/11 conspiracy theory episode was not very well done (none of them really are but interesting and question provoking nonetheless); however, I have no question that 9/11 is not at all what it seems/has been portrayed as - call it conspiracy theory if you will. Read the book, The New Pearl Harbor. 100%, no questions asked, something was VERY fishy with everything that went down that day and the days leading up. The book (among several other books, articles, and documentaries, etc that I've seen and ready on the topic) gives a (literally) second by second account of what happened that day and it is impossible for the "official" story to hold up. The book lets you draw your own conclusions but every logical conclusion leads to some involvement by the White House, CIA, FBI. At the VERY LEAST, the White House knew the attacks were going down and allowed them to happen b/c it fit their agenda. It's also VERY likely that Cheney gave STAND DOWN ORDERS to NORAD after the 2nd plane went 15 degrees off course. There are too many FACTS from that day to believe this was simply angry terrorists acting alone. Do yourself a favor and read the book and you'll never look at our government the same way - keep asking questions people...before you know it we'll all be sheep. Also, regarding the bomb thing, if I remember correctly, 2 days before the attacks the buildings were completely cleared out for some security measure. This would have given ample time and opportunity for bombs to be placed in the building. It's all in the book and I promise that all 1,000+ facts are not just ironic.

Paul,

I wish Mr. Cheney would call me up for I would like to buy him a drink, shake his hand and let him know many of his countrymen appreciate both him and the efforts of the Bush administration.

What a bunch of goofballs on this message board! Good luck with that Obama administration thing.

Oh, and don't look now, but a confederal state with a free market economy and representative government is, literally, springing from the ash of Arab dysfunction in the heart of the Middle East.

Conspiracies are as American as apple pie. All they require are two or more individuals acting together to bring about an illegal end. When a couple of guys knock off a 7/11, they are engaged in a conspiracy, even if they are subsequently charged with armed robbery instead. Most America conspiracies are economic, like Enron, WorldCom, and Halliburtion. Bernie Madoff comes to mind, since he can't possibly have done it alone.

Conspiracies to murder political leaders are far older than the assassination of Julius Caesar and include attempts on the lives of Lincoln, McKinley, and Truman. Four of those involved in the Lincoln conspiracy were hung from the same gallows at the same time. Consider the range of events that could not be understood absent conspiracies as David Mantik listed them in his chapter, "The Silence of the Historians", MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA (2000), page 402:

Foreign Targets/Assassination Conspiracies (20th Century): Franz Ferdinand / Rajiv Gandhi / Louis Mountbatten / Czar Nicholas II / Adolf Hitler / Rafael Trujillo / Salvadore Allende / Charles DeGaulle / Benigo Aquino / Anwar Sadat / Luis Colosio / Leon Trotsky / Ngo Dinh Diem / Rene Schnneideer / Pancho Villa / Ngo Dihn Nhu / Jacobo Arbenz / Grigorli Rasputin / Mohammed Mossadegh / Fidel Castro / Patrice Lumumba / Pope John Paul II / Saddam Hussein / Manuel Noriega

Egad! What would Shakespeare have had to write about but for plots against the Kings and Queens of England? And in the US (20th Century), the list would be extended to include John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Malcolm X, Senator Paul Wellstone, Cpl. Pat Tillman, and many others as well. So if we are not willing to investigate conspiracies, we are going to be unable to begin to understand history, including the stories that appear on virtually every page of The New York Times, as I documented in "Thinking about 'Conspiracy Theories': 9/11 and JFK", accessible via google and published in THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY: THE SCAMMING OF AMERICA (2007). What would history be without them?

Hey Paul- Please enlighten us all on the "truth". Tell us all how our government wanted to murder its own citizens so it can start a war and get all the oil they want. Tell us all how shadow governments and Bush conspired to line their pockets and put fear in the American people.
The problem here is you want so badly to believe that our the US is evil and power hungry. That we invade countries and steal wealth. Its sad when you consider the MILLIONS of people around the world we've freed from oppression. Or the many advancements in science and technology that have helped every human live longer and healthier lives.
But do what you do and forget that last paragraph, rail on me about how out of touch I am and how easily I've been manipulated.
You continue to spout theories and I'll continue to present facts.

Jason,

"...rail on me about how out of touch ... I'll continue to present facts."

Ok, forgive me if I'm missing something, but I don't see any facts. I looked through the previous commenters and don't see your name. All I see if your post dated 3:50PM Mar 12. In that post, are you claiming there are facts that I'm supposed to address?

BTW, I don't know who exactly did 9/11 or why. I do know that the government and media have lied and are continuing to lie to this day. There's hundreds of pieces of evidence that are inconsistent with the governments story. However, there are a few smoking guns that defy all explanation and that the government has never investigated:

1. The physical laws of conservation of momentum and conservation of energy were both violated according the videos and the official government explanation. The buildings could never have fallen at near freefall speed if the mass of the upper floors had to impact the lower floors. The only way to achieve free fall or near free fall speed is to remove all supporting structure. And guess what's the only known way to accomplish that.

3. The physical law of conservation of angular momentum was also violated. This law basically says that something rotating stays rotating unless a force stops it. We see in the videos of the North tower that the top floors are tipping sideways (in other words rotating). There is nothing that should stop them tipping, because they are tipping outside of the main axis of the building. Yet suddenly those floors disintegrate for no good reason. This violates the law of conservation of angular momentum.

3. Multi-ton beams were ejected over 600 feet from the buildings. The physics calculations show that these would had to have been ejected at 60+ MPH in order to reach that distance. A gravitational collapse could not do this. Go and drop some rocks from the roof of your house and see how many rocks shoot out at 60 MPH before they hit the ground.

4. Eyewitnesses said, documented on video, that there was molten orange-glowing metal "flowing... like in a foundry" (quote from cleanup crews). This was confirmed by infrared satellite imaging. There was not enough aluminum in the building for the amount of metal that was observed, so it must have been steel. No hydrocarbon fires outside of blast-furnace conditions can create tons of orange-glowing molten metal regardless of the type of metal. The orange glow indicates >2000degree temperature, hotter than any hydrocarbon fire save a blast furnace or a cutting torch.

Now those are real and relevant facts, in contrast to what you bring to the table. You can say what you want about how great America is and how many people have been freed and whatever else you want. These HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OBSERVED FACTS. It is clear that you have been misled. Being misled is not a fault of you. It is a fault of the government and the media. The bigger problem is that after you've been given ample proof and explanation, you still refuse to get your head out of the sand.

"The orange glow indicates >2000degree temperature, hotter than any hydrocarbon fire save a blast furnace or a cutting torch"

Hmm...funny apparently I defy physics then when I do it with out a blast furnace or a cutting torch and using a hydrocarbon fuel. I should go to the James Randi foundation with this then.

James Randi, the most credible location on the web. LOL. These guys don't deal with facts. They deal with strawmen arguments, name-calling, guilt-by-association, twisting of terminology, and logical fallacies. They are traitors to their own country.

You can spray a supertanker-sized quantity of burning jet fuel in the outside air all day and it won't turn a steel beam to orange-glowing pool of liquid steel.

If it were so easy to melt large quantities of steel, then why all the blast-furnaces in Pittsburg and Gary Indiana. Why does the welder down the street fall back to using a cutting torch or an electric arc welder. He should be able to put some jet fuel on the two pieces to be welded, light a match and they'll just melt together. Wait, maybe you're saying that the jet fuel has to be atomized. Well, then, they should be able to take a spray bottle, fill it with jet fuel, light a match, and spray in the general direction of the pieces to be welded. That should do it right. LOL.

It's amazing jet engines hold together. They have jet fuel burning in them, fully oxygenated, under high pressure for hours at a time and yet they haven't melted off by the time the plane lands. They're not entirely made of titanium and ceramic.

For all you who totally believe in your government. I'll give you two instances for you to check out.

1. Jessie always brings up the Gulf of Tonkin, this was what got us into the vietnam war, years later Macnamera said that this never happened. This is ADMITTED. The government lied to get us into a war, and got 50k people killed.

2. Check out the Northwoods Document, the government planned something like this in the 60's. This is Documented and Admitted.

Then start researching Sept. 11. You're welcome. Its not unpatriotic to question your government, its the most patriotic thing you can do.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories remind me of the moon landing hoax theories. Some of so-called evidence seems to make sense because the environment on the moon is so different that some unexpected things happen. Badastronomy.com has a detailed response to all the moon landing hoax "evidence".

The similarity here is that most of the 9/11 conspiracy "evidence" is explained away by experts in the field. Almost all of the people claiming the towers could not have been destroyed by planes alone have NO expertise to back up such claims. Other so-called experts really have no expertise in the fields relevant to understanding how this happened.

I'll be the first to admit that the destruction of the towers looks almost exactly like a controlled demolition but if that's your "evidence", that it merely LOOKS like that, well that's just not enough. Besides the 9/11 conspiracy theories run the gamut from remote controlled planes, to missiles, to lasers. How can you rule out the official explanation but argue for three different explanations that are all less likely than the official theory.

To cap it off the 9/11 conspiracy theories have become a way to indoctrinate lefties with the NWO conspiracy theories. I am amazed that it has worked so well. NWO conspiracies were mostly the domain of the far right until 9/11. I would have never guessed that the left would be the ones to breathe new life into them.

Chris, apparently you are one of the following:

1. A clueless, uneducated, ignorant idiot
2. A paid shill

Have you actually looked at anything that was written in the comments here? There are references to nearly 10,000 well educated science and engineering professionals who have the credibility to back up the claims which you dismiss as comparable to moon-landing hoaxes. If you're a paid shill, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind, because you are paid to spout nonsense. If you're a clueless idiot, well, there's not much I can do for you either.

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it - George Santayana
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On November 10, 2001, President Bush commanded that --- “We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror."
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Absent an “Accident” theory, there are two prevalent conspiracy theories; (A) the “Official” theory presented by Bush & Company, and endorsed by Mainstream Media, and (B) a “Scientific” theory suppressed by Mainstream Media and Neoconservatives.
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It is up to dutiful patriotic Americans to determine which theory is outrageous and which theory delivers the truth. We must not tolerate persons who promote outrageous, nor persons who suppress the truth.
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A terrorist by any other name remains a scoundrel. Psychoanalyst Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud, knew this very well and coined the term “Public Relations” to whitewash propaganda. In 1917, Bernays assisted President Wilson to establish the Committee on Public Information (CPI) as a tool for social persuasion and control. The CPI launched an anti-German campaign to maneuver America into war with patriotic slogans such as, “Make the World Safe for Democracy” and “over there.” Bernays used “public relations” to “engineer consent” with “necessary illusions” that became “reality”.
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Impressed with Bernays’ “Public Relation” techniques, Propaganda Minister, Joseph Goebbels used these techniques to manufacture homegrown support for Hitler’s agenda. All the while, the outside world grew weary and impatient.
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He's got a least one valid point. Whatever you think happened that day, it did not receive the proper investigation it deserved. I'm not saying anything else about it. I used to be into the conspiracy theories, but I just got exhausted from it all. It's mostly bullshit. And I don't care anymore.

I was wondering what is up with that weird gravatar??? I know 5am is early and I'm not looking my best at that hour, but I hope I don't look like this! I may perhaps however make that face if I'm asked to do 100 pushups. lol

Either I'm not really significant enough, or I simply have no vision the best way to promote professionally but I genuinely simply cannot receive virtually any followers. I have taken a crack at following individuals to get a pleasant follow back, helps to some degree but it just appears to be everyone who does that needs the very same detail as me, anyone to look over their daily drivel.