Wisconsin 14 missing senator photos: Have you seen these politicians?

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Gov. Scott Walker: Senate Democrats are MIA.
Fourteen Wisconsin state senators are on the lam, hiding from police trying to return them to Madison for a vote on a union-busting bill that none of them support. They were last seen hunkered down in an Illinois motel.

Anyone with information as to their whereabouts is asked to call Gov. Scott Walker at (608) 266-1212.

There are too many to put on the side of a milk carton, so as a public service we decided to post their photos here:

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UPDATE 2: Michele Bachmann vs. Barack Obama on Wisconsin unions


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Tim Carpenter, 3rd Senate District.
Spencer Coggs.jpg
Spencer Coggs, 6th Senate District
Timothy Cullen.jpg
Timothy Cullen, 15th Senate District
Jon Erpenbach.jpg
Jon Erpenbach, 27th Senate District
Dave Hansen.jpg
Dave Hansen, 30th Senate District
Jim Holperin.jpg
Jim Holperin, 12th Senate District
Robert Jauch.jpg
Robert Jauch, 25th Senate District

Chris Larson.jpg
Chris Larson, 7th Senate District
Julie Lassa.jpg
Julie Lassa, 24th Senate District
Mark Miller.jpg
Mark Miller, 16th Senate District
Fred Risser.jpg
Fred Risser, 26th Senate District
Lena Taylor.jpg
Lena Taylor, 4th Senate District
Kathleen Vinehout.jpg
Kathleen Vinehout, 31st Senate District
Robert Wirch.jpg
Robert Wirch, 22nd Senate District

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Chemicalrefugee
Chemicalrefugee

 Damn my spelling...I though I fixed those spelling errors. I hate that. - now I have "HUG" men, which are no where near as scary as "HUGE MEN"... 6'10" 280 pound masses of muscle, threatening to hurt you if you don' let them set up your display and taker it down...at the minor fee of more money that the small company has in its bank account. *THAT* kind of behavior is why people don't like unions. What they do not see (in the press) is normal and good behavior because it is not salacious enough. They don't print about the family who can FINALLY afford to buy shoes without holes in them for their kids, due to decent pay after 20 years of sweatshop quality jobs. They don't print about the single mom whose husband dies from cancer caused by his job, and whose kid now has cancer too...and about how her boss wants to fire her because she needs time off to take her kid to the Shriner's hospital for kids...and because her medical issues at home are driving up the cost of their health insurance plan - without which her kid will die. Nope - better to print about all those lazy people and the thugs.. Fact is that before Reagan and his crew started union busting the USA had a a huge and stable middle class and a lot of peoples kids got to go to university, who now can't go to a university and are stuck flipping burgers (or choosing a life of running drugs when they wind up having kids who they can't afford to feed - EVER). The US has a higher child poverty rate now than most of the undeveloped world does.

Chemicalrefugee
Chemicalrefugee

[bubz]  is ignorant of the way people lived in the past, and of unionization and why it happened. I was too & I grew up where the Wobbly war started ( a war in which off duty policemen were paid by the management of timber companies, to murder (shoot and kill) any and all timber union members. One large raid occurred as they met in a local Centralia/Chehalis area VFW hall, and the cops hung up the dead body of the union leader "Joe Hill" in the jail cell right next to the cell of his best friend...and let the body rot next to him for 2 weeks straight). All the timber workers wanted was to stop dying in horrible accidents that were preventable and to make more than $1 a week for risking their lives...and no - they could not just go and get another job because *ALL* jobs paid that badly back then. Child labor was very common and there were no laws for minimum wage, worker safety, workman's compensation or unemployment benefits. The union wars were also *before* the US courts started letting average people sue, when their lives had been ruined by greedy jerks in search of more cash. A woman with 5 kids whose husband dies in a timber accident, had no choice other than prostitution to survive (in those days women did not have jobs very often) ALL of the legal changes in the US workplace were the result of the unions. The union leaders only wanted the right to have a job where they would not (more than likely) die quite young just to save the company from spending 2 dollars on safer equipment. Unionization is *WHY* people stopped working for 1 dollar a week, 14 hours a day (with their 6 year old kids working in the mills too). The laws that prevented that stuff came in decades after the unionization. A BAD NAME For decades songs like "look for the union label" were on the radio and TV. Buying Union meant supporting a good America. So how did unions get a bad name (aside from propaganda) if they did so much good? ? Well there are 2 big reasons. !) When when youve been beaten down in a system where there are *NO* sane and reasonable employers anywhere, and you FINALLY get the upper hand you tend to over do things & see everything as a huge battle (even when it is not there). 2) A few very large unions became linked to (money laundering) and/or run by - the Mafia So some unions got corrupt, and other got outright abusive of people - especially the Teamsters (remember Hoffa). I recall in the 80s our small software start-up company (about 6 employees) had our ONE sales guy have to buy a special booth (that folded up into two suit cases) for software industry shows. A booth that could not be put together by standard tools. Why ways it made that way? All the big shows on the east and went coasts, were haunted by huge thugs from the teamsters. HUG men who threateend the people as they came in and forced everybody to let them set up their booths for them...for just a few THOUSAND DOLLARS an hour per helper. Anyone who refused to let them help, got beaten half to death after the show was over. He had to leave more than one show by going out a bathroom window. to avoid being killed (not a joke). HOWEVER These tactics are rare. Horrible where they happen but also rare. Most unions are honest. Onle a few act that way and I think the other unions ought to refuse to be involved with them. MY CHILDHOOD IGNORANCE Why didn't I know the truth about how unions evolved...as a way to stop child labor and give people the ability to LIVE through their employment? Shouldn't it have been taught in schools? ANYWAY - - by the 70s & 80s things had changed for the workers. The "old growth" had been gone for over 40 years & the fishing industry was dead because the salmon runs that had support so many people were long gone - they had been killed off by all the pesticide run off from the agriculture in the Columbia River Basin that wen straight in the Columbia River & made th fish sterile. There were no tress to cut down (the local blamed environmentalists and the spotted owl. They had never been up in a small plane and seen the endless hills into the distance of NOTHING but stumps. The fact is they had made good money for a long time once the unions were in place (and that cost a lot of lives). The work was still VERY hard and few people lived more than 10 years past an age 55 retirement (they worked themselves to death in the mills and forests & died of dioxin from the pulp industry).  This is all important because for about 25 odd years the loggers and other timber workers had made really good money. Any demand they could force onto the big employers via their unions was usually able to be absorbed into the costs of doing business,  because profits were huge and could absorb anything - until there were no trees left - and no other jobs to be had. The unions had once had the upper hand for a very long time, and got used to it. They did not adapt to the new circumstances, and still abused their power even though they were on dangerous ground with no jobs (or trees) left in old Gray Harbor & Pacific Beach. EXAMPLE OF UNION IDIOCY IN THAT ERA Around 1986 or so, a guy was hot-rodding around in a very expensive "log loader" (the forks on those vehicles are massively expensive and only made by one steel maker in the whole world). He broke off those forks (god only knows how) and the bosses of the company sat his butt down and said "stop that, or we will have to fire you." Less than 2 months later he did the same thing again. A second set of broken forks that could lift many many tons of logs.  So of course they FIRED his hot-rodding butt (they *HAD* warned the guy). Had I worked in that place I would have been glad to get rid of the guy as that is stupid and dangerous behavior. The timber unions, instead of saying :"what an idiot" when on a full scale strike immediately and also demanded more pay and more benefits at a time when there were very few timber jobs at all and you were lucky not to be working at Burger King.. The strike spread throughout all of the Pacific Northwest, and to many of the other unions in the area, to the point that every union outfit had all of the union members off striking - all in support of an idiot. NEXT EXAMPLE The tress had long since beet cut down and sent off to other nations as raw logs. There were very few "family income" jobs. People survived by working burger jobs, waitress jobs and selling food at the local markets. Well the union market checkout people at the time made about $16.50 an hour (that was 1985 wages - way higher than usual) . They had the gall to strike for higher pay, for a job that in most places paid about $1.50 more than minimum wage (which was $3.35 an hour then). They went on strike and dragged in every other kind of union to support them. THIS is the problem. Unions are needed anywhere that government does nothing but leech taxes nothing real for their people.

Jfm041969
Jfm041969

It started with the WI 14, thank u for fighting for the 99%

Jens in Applecity
Jens in Applecity

Thank God for the "14" for sticking to their beliefs and standing up for Wisconsin's middle class! If walker get's his way we will become extinct !!!

Crheffer
Crheffer

The only way a country can be a democracy is if there is a balance between ideologies. Thank you all for taking a stand against reducing communication from workers even further. Now we have corporations who are people and workers who are silenced. Where do the American people think this will lead? Do you really want to destroy the entire infrastructure of democracy? And then we will be fighting in the streets for our rights as they are in the middle east. Democracy means communication, no autocracy.

Tom
Tom

Why doesent the Federal Government have to have a budget? Just take and spend. Look at all the money that we give out all over the world. 2 Billion to Egypt, money to Saudi Arabia, ect.. What then is the real cost of our fuel?? And at the same time we cant pay our teachers, have sufficient drivable roads and pay for services like we have done in the past{even with more people, more people = more money} We should reduce aid to other countries in the amount were short. All the politicians do , is what they've always done,,Their making us believe that this is a people problem, its not,

Stan
Stan

TYRANTS – WHICH ONES ARE WORST AND HOW TO STOP THEM.

"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights

which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that

tyranny begins."- Benjamin Franklin

Bad laws are the worst form of tyranny. - Edmund Burke

You can see lately on TV that tyrants are loosing their grip on nations in Africa.

Do you suspect any connection with the latest economical difficulties in western countries?

The main cause of uprisings in Africa is skyrocketing global food prices that are limiting other expenses for people in western countries particularly retired people and starving people in poorer countries.

You might ask the question:

Are we, in western countries, under bigger, more perverted tyrants that using starvation, want to eliminate “the competition” from the primitive tyrants in Africa?

Western money lenders most recently encouraged expansion in food speculation on Stock Exchanges.

“...Billions of dollars are being made by investors in a speculative “food bubble” that’s created record food prices, starving millions and destabilising countries, experts now conclude.[This is the second of a multi-part series investigating what is driving food prices higher]Wall Street investment firms and banks, along with their kin in London and Europe, were responsible for the technology dot-com bubble, the stock market bubble, and the recent U.S. and UK housing bubbles. They extracted enormous profits and their bonuses before the inevitable collapse of each.Now they’ve turned to basic commodities. The result? At a time when there has been no significant change in the global food supply or in food demand, the average cost of buying food shot up 32 percent from June to December 2010, according to the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO)..”More in:http://stephenleahy.net/2011/0....

In all present stock exchanges in the World there is pure plunder instead of to work being done and it is result of bad laws.The fatal tendency of human to plunder was well described by nineteenth-century French philosopher and economist Frederic Bastiat in his writing “The Law”:

“...A Fatal Tendency of MankindSelf-preservation and self-development are common aspirations among all people. And if everyone enjoyed the unrestricted use of his faculties and the free disposition of the fruits of his labor, social progress would be ceaseless, uninterrupted, and unfailing.But there is also another tendency that is common among people. When they can, they wish to live and prosper at the expense of others......Property and Plunder...But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder.Now since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain — and since labor is pain in itself — it follows that men will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work. History shows this quite clearly. And under these conditions, neither religion nor morality can stop it.When, then, does plunder stop? It stops when it becomes more painful and more dangerous than labor.It is evident, then, that the proper purpose of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder...”More in:http://bastiat.org/en/the_law....In my opinion western “democracies” are the worst tyranny that have ever existed and they are becoming more oppressive with every passing day. Why?

It is possible to eliminate the tyrant-person or the group of tyrants because it is more visible who is behind bad laws.

The western “democracies” are based on countless number of group of tyrants who are constantly creating new bad laws that are protecting the interest of particular group of tyrants.

Let me introduce fundamentals of present western democracies and how frivolously they are adjusted to make it easier to pass laws that suits those in power:

Western democracies are representative democracies:

“...Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people, as opposed to autocracy and direct democracy.[1]

The representatives form an independent ruling body (for an election period) charged with the responsibility of acting in the people's interest, but not as their proxy representatives not necessarily always according to their wishes, but with enough authority to exercise swift and resolute initiative in the face of changing circumstances...”

More in:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

Elected individuals representing the people to pass any new legislation use Robert's rules of Order.

“...Henry Martyn Robert (May 2, 1837 – May 11, 1923) was the author of Robert's Rules of Order, which became the most widely used manual of parliamentary procedure and remains today the most common parliamentary authority in the United States...”

Let's find out how specific those rules are:

“...Robert's rules

Amendments of Constitutions, By-laws, and Rules of Order. Constitutions, by-laws, and rules of order, that have been adopted and contain no rule for their amendment, may be amended at any regular business meeting by a vote of the majority of the entire membership; or, if the amendment was submitted in writing at the previous regular business meeting, then they may be amended by a two-thirds vote of those voting, a quorum being present...

...A Quorum of an assembly is such a number as must be present in order that business can be legally transacted. The quorum refers to the number present, not to the number voting. The quorum of a mass meeting is the number present at the time, as they constitute the membership at that time. The quorum of a body of delegates, unless the by-laws provide for a smaller quorum, is a majority of the number enrolled as attending the convention, not those appointed.

More in:

http://www.rulesonline.com/rro...

Stan:

A quorum could be just 50% plus one or if there is by-laws allowing less(passed who knows by what percentage of elected individuals representing the people) it could be much smaller.

This way established quorum can amendments of Constitutions, By-laws, and Rules of Order by a majority ( 50% plus one) of elected individuals representing the people.

50% from 50% is 25%.

So 25% or less elected individuals representing the people can pass any law that this small group of individuals wish to impose on a rest of the population of the country.

It is clear a minority tyranny.

There is more bizarre and imprecise rule about quorum in this Robert's Rules of Order manual written by a military engineer:

“...Without there is a special rule on the subject, the quorum of every assembly is a majority of all the members of the assembly. But whenever a society has any permanent existence, it is usual to adopt a much smaller number, the quorum being often less than one-twentieth of its members; this becomes a necessity in most large societies, where only a small fraction of the members are ever present at a meeting.

More in:

http://www.fullbooks.com/Rober...

Now it is easy to understand why we are in such a democratic mess.

Small group of those elected representatives can manipulate the result of voting as they wish as it happen in 1913:

“...Just to be safe, the Federal Reserve Bill was put before Congress shortly before Christmas, 1913, when many Congressmen were already at home with their families for the holiday...”

More in:

http://www.converge.org.nz/pir...

Since 1913 the amount of bad laws that are passed is overwhelming and constantly growing.

Here is most recent example:

“... But a veritable mountain of evidence indicates that when it comes to Wall Street, the justice system not only sucks at punishing financial criminals, it has actually evolved into a highly effective mechanism for protecting financial criminals. This institutional reality has absolutely nothing to do with politics or ideology — it takes place no matter who's in office or which party's in power...... The SEC and the Justice Department have evolved into a bizarre species of social surgeon serving this nonjailable class, expert not at administering punishment and justice, but at finding and removing criminal responsibility from the bodies of the accused.More in:http://www.rollingstone.com/po...

The top perverted tyrants in these western countries do not kill and do not physically torture ordinary people...yet. Assassinations are directed most of the time against high ranking slaves in banking and governments.

The 9/12, “terrorist” attacks in Spain and London and also the Polish presidential plane crash are situations in which perverted tyrants killed many innocent ordinary people.

Here are an example how sophisticated the assassins that are hired by the money issuers to kill insubordinate banker:

“...So, Herrhausen was killed, why? Because he was the only banker, and the only person outside of ourselves, who proposed a crash program for the economic development of Poland, using the Kreditanstalt für Wiederaufbau, meaning to go outside the condition of the IMF system. And he also demanded a debt reorganization of the Third World. And he was killed, as a clear warning to the German establishment, that they should absolutely not dare to step outside of the system...”

More in:

http://www.larouchepac.com/nod...

“...The RAF planned their attack well, planting their bomb in a satchel on a bicycle parked beside the route. The bomb was linked to an infrared beam, which terrorists posing as workmen had set up across the road. The terrorists allowed the lead car through, and then activated the beam. When Herrhausen’s car broke the beam, the bomb went off. It consisted of ten kilos of explosive and a two-kilo copper plate, aimed so that it would strike the passenger seat...”

More in:

http://www.dialoginternational...

Stan:

“aimed so that it would strike the passenger seat” which it means it has to be a fraction of the second delay because from a front of Herrhausen’s car to the passenger seat is around two meters and car was travelling 50 km per hour.

So the RAF had that kind of extremely sophisticated assassination technology...?

It reminds me of the sophisticated demolition of three highrises by cavemen from Afghanistan on 9/12.

So who is killing the rich men who are trying to be a little better?

Answer: Rich men with darker minds

“...Herrhausen was not only powerful; he was perhaps the most progressive banker around. He had ideas which were sensible and realistic, but much too radical for some. Furthermore, he was charismatic, attractive, articulate, and outspoken all of which adds up to a man who could have made a difference, such men, for darker minds are dangerous...

...All highest level power groups, whether nations or other centres of the highest power maintain the capability to assassinate selected individuals when they feel it is necessary. This capability is somewhat similar to what our society maintains under the name of an "executioner", "hangman", or other. From that perspective it is a fundamental task of the source of power...”

More in:

http://www.prouty.org/letter7....

Here is more recent one and more sophisticated:The CIA's Heart Attack Gun video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Unfortunately for the world, the reporter who forced the issue, Mark Pittman - the first person to ever sue the Fed (along with his employer Bloomberg News) - is dead. He was 52.

According to his employer:

"Pittman suffered from heart-related illnesses. The precise cause of his death wasn't known."More in:http://www.realecontv.com/vide...

How to stop those highly sophisticated and extremely ruthless “democratic” tyrants?

It can be done slowly by stopping the creation of bad laws and the elimination already existing “democratically” passed bad laws. In order to do it:

The laws to pass a new law have to be drastically modified.

Which mean Henry Martyn Robert's Robert's Rules of Order has to be fundamentally change.

How?

Instead of the win-lose voting for a new law ;enforce the third alternative — the win-win solution by the power of synergic consensus described in details by Timothy Wilken in ORTEGRITY:

“...The power of synergic consensus rests on finding the third alternative. A major fact about human performance mental or physical is that it is greatest when the individual is winning...

It is veto power that forces the third alternative — the win-win solution. It is synergic relationship that unlocks human potential. This is the relationship that eliminates all conflict...

...Japanese corporations are presently 150% more efficient and productive than Americancorporations. Those companies who choose to restructure as Ortegrities could experiencean increase in efficiency and productivity of 1000%...”

More in:

http://www.synearth.net/Restri...

Stan:

This one fundamental change of laws to pass new laws based on veto power followed immediately by negotiation to find the third win-win alternative will gradually eliminate all tyrannies in the World.

The first step could be letting know about already existing laws about veto power by including in education system information about the duty of the twelve ( not less) randomly selected jurors particularly that: The jury has the right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy.

“...Yet to this day, trial jurors retain the right to veto, or "nullify" bad laws, though they are rarely told this by the courts. Prosecutors and judges try to exclude people from serving on juries who admit knowing they can judge the law, or who have doubts about the justice of the law. This destroys the protections jurors were supposed to be able to invoke on behalf of fellow citizens against unjust prosecutions: how can our right to a trial by an impartial jury be met if those with any qualms about the law are excluded from serving?...”

More in:

http://www.levellers.org/jrp/o...

Here is example of fight for proper conduction of justice by threatening to create parallel independent the COMMON LAW COURTS organized by John Wilson:

“...The DENIAL OF JUSTICE throughout the Commonwealth of Australia has necessitated the formation of the COMMON LAW COURTS. The violation of Civil and Political Rights guaranteed by MAGNA CARTA is most evident in the existing Courts where the Judges and Magistrates disregard those Legal Rights and Procedures. Common Law has been replaced by Commercial and Admiralty Law. When Common Law Jurisdiction is demanded and the challenge is: “I do not consent to be without a Jury”, the reply is: “Your consent is immaterial”(Justice Adams, NSW Supreme Court)...”

More in:

http://www.rightsandwrong.com....

It is reminding:

“...In 494 B.C., the plebeians threatened to leave Rome and set up their own independent state (concilium plebis). What the plebeians did was to literally create a state within a state...”

More in:

http://www.historyguide.org/an...

The threat did worked in 494 B.C and should work now.

I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet devised by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution." - President Thomas Jefferson

Best regards,

Stan

Headscan70
Headscan70

It's not about money, union rights or anything else. These 'punks' laid it on thick to get elected to represent the people of Wisconsin. That is there job, representation. If they are doing their job then they need to be fired so people who have integrity can stay and fight rather than run away. If they didn't like the bill then they can always vote NO.

I say release them and let them find another job.

Cheesehead
Cheesehead

Why do people who live in Wisconsin get called "cheeseheads"?

Proud Repub.
Proud Repub.

Thank God I live in a state where men are men and do the job at hand like it or not .They have taken the oath and deal with it like it or not.

Dianne Lee
Dianne Lee

Thanks so much to the Wisconsin 14. We welcome you to Illinois and hope you will enjoy your stay here until the recall is completed and we see the glorious day when you are able to take your seats in a Democratically controlled senate. ON WISCONSIN!!!!

Carol Grunewald
Carol Grunewald

Thank you Wisconsin 14 for doing your job. You are preventing passing a budget bill that will do anything but "repair" our state's finances. I am very proud of you. You are sacrificing for what is good for the people. Keep up the good work. Stay out of the state and keep ignoring the "threats' against you. I watch you on interviews as often as possible. Again thanks and keep up the great stand you are making, not only for Wisconsin, but for our country!

Cms_blackthreadart
Cms_blackthreadart

No I haven't seen them and if I do.. I'm going to invite them in and offer them coffee and cheesecake! The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree.

sherryb
sherryb

What a bunch of bullies, 'come back & do your job' so our mouth=breathing, dictator governor can have a quorum, ending collective bargaining.

God Bless the Wisconsin 14 Senators!!!

Morlou
Morlou

I have never heard of such stupidity. So should one guess that if the democrates in the US Senate do not want legislation to pass they should run to Canada or Mexico. Come on you are state employees and Im sure you are still collecting wages. Get back to work like the rest of us lucky Americans. Or maybe the great state of Wisconsin should lay them off and hire the person who lost in the election to these senators.

mplsgrrl
mplsgrrl

If I see them, I will have them over for dinner!!

Pmac_doorcountygraphics
Pmac_doorcountygraphics

Yesterday, March 3rd, 2011, warrants were issued giving the police in Wisconsin the authority to arrest any of the fourteen Democratic Representatives if they enter Wisconsin and directing the arresting agecny to bring the arrested person(s) to Madison's Capital building.

What I would like to know is why their names to not appear on the Wisconsin's CCAP website, or WCCA as anyone else would had they broken the law? Is this just another form of political favoritism in Wisconsin? They all should be listed on Wisconsin's open circuit courts website as anyone else who had broken the law!!!!!

Wisconsin Circuit Court Accesshttp://wcca.wicourts.gov/index...

Patti S.J. Mackenzie

D.
D.

I heard Spencer Coggs cheats on his wife...

lk2010
lk2010

Many people commenting on here clearly do not have a very good sense of how certain policies contribute to financial issues in a state. This is not about the budget - this is about busting up unions. It's a political move. Republicans don't like labor unions because they are the last group protecting the lower and middle classes from the richest 1% of people taking advantage of the labor force. Unions don't contribute to budget deficits... if teachers and others get paid so much, why don't more people want to go in those professions? Unions are not just good for public workers, but their presence in society ensures the fair treatment of all workers. It sets up the principles of fair labor practices. Those of you who think labor unions want to "spread the wealth" or that they are "lazy" people who want don't want to work hard for their money, you clearly have a lot of misinformation. Teachers, police officers, firefighters and other have jobs under difficult circumstances. Try teaching a classroom of 50 kids in the inner city where you are simply trying to teach kids the basics that they didn't learn in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd grade because they have had so many teachers leave halfway during the year because they couldn't handle the low pay and difficult working conditions (i.e., making sure kids don't bring knives in the classroom, don't get into fights, or are eating lunch because they didn't get a meal at home). That point aside, many of these teachers took a 6% pay cut in 2009 whereas Governor Scott Walker's salary increased by $40,000 over what the last governor made. Who's asking him to give up some of his pensions, health care, etc? Or did you all forget that he is a public worker as well?

This is how the Republican Party has managed to turn masses of middle-class to lower-middle class Americans from the Democratic party that actually protect their economic interests, and turned them into staunch advocates for Republican economic policies that have been proven to disadvantage them time and time again. How do they do this? By setting up the standard of THE AMERICAN DREAM. It's like a stick they hold out in front of the middle class to say...hey if you work hard enough, you can be rich like us! We give you the opportunity to get there by reducing taxes on the rich (just in case you make it into that tax bracket, you don't want liberals to take your money, right?), by creating corporate loop holes and tax breaks for businesses (because they scare small businesses in thinking that liberals want to increase their taxes, whereas most small businesses don't even make enough money to qualify for these tax breaks), and through deregulation (because we make you think that if businesses are regulated, they won't be able to create jobs!...but in reality, this doesn't create jobs because if a businesses can do whatever it wants to make profits, why does it need more workers? the top guys can make money without having to hire more workers and thus lose more money). They've made the middle class think that protecting the interests of the rich means protecting THEIR OWN interests. In fact, the lower classes and middle class have done better economically under Democrats than under Republicans (Bartels: 2008).

Republicans are winning by dividing the middle class and turning them against each other. Meanwhile, they are silently cutting money from education and other services. Why are you voting in people that don't have your best interests at heart? What has the Republican party done for you lately if you make less than $250,000 per year? And yet, people vote them into office year after year. They are good at shouting down opponents, at appearing strong, good at distorting facts (even so much as just putting facts aside and delegitimizing them)...They are good at publicity basically (Fox News, the right arm of the conservative movement has helped that). How do we know their views are distorted? Studies show that Fox News watchers more than PBS/Public news watchers were: A) More likely to think that we found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (we didn't). B) More likely to think that Iraq had ties to al Qaeda (they didn't) and C) More likely to think Obama is Muslim (he's not)...

But I digress...

The point is... Wisconsin 14, the country stands with you. At least those of us that like America because it's a "democracy" and not a dictatorship...

Kay
Kay

Brilliant strategy, leaving the city so that the legislature couldn't vote on this bill! You Wisconsin Senators are doing a great job for the citizens of WIsconsin, and I am proud to have you represent me in this effort. I was a single parent who worked my way through the UW, then gave 35 years of my life to public service employment. As a retired citizen, I now worry: I hear the Wisconsin Retirement Fund is next on the chopping block. Please keep up your efforts in keeping a middle class in the State of Wisconsin. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your sacrifice, your thoughtful strategies, and your solid planning.

Jim
Jim

Note to WI 14....you folks make me proud...keep going THE REAL PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY SUPPORT YOU 100%....Just a note from a neighbor in MN.

Eldon Bloedorn
Eldon Bloedorn

What the senators are doing is avoiding the Republican mobsters who took over in Wisconsin. What else can they do?

Gail
Gail

The people of Wisconsin are starting to realize the destructive path this governor is headed down. Thank you for your sacrifice and standing up for what is right.

supportwalker
supportwalker

I am so proud of Walker. He is withstanding the falsehoods and rhetoric. My friends, my family.... we are having to contribute to our own retirement. In some cases have not been able to. We pay our own health insurance, in some cases it is better than others. To hear that workers in this state feel that I and my family and friends should pay more so they have to pay little.... and then that they are holding the state hostage and our elected officials are creating an increasing hostile environment.... Please stay strong Walker!

Dagger
Dagger

Stop using the liberal card anytime you disagree. These senators are a fine example of sticking up to what they believe in and you might say they are running away but by not showing up they are making their vote at great cost to themselves for the greater good. Courageous acts like these are what has made America so free. Thank You.

Lia Stark
Lia Stark

Thank you WI Senators ,you have taken a powerful stand and I appreciate it! I have been at the Capitol almost everyday and it has been so impressive and there are so many sings thanking the Fab 14 for your courage. Keep it up! Lia

bubz
bubz

All you hear is what about the kids. Ya, senators what about the kids, way to set the example. Kids any time you don't like something run, run,run. What are your parents and teachers going to do, the senators get away with it. Dry your tears and get back to work!

Rhartl524549
Rhartl524549

Why does it take 50 union workers to fix a bus. 1 to hold the wrench and 49 to turn the bus.

sick & tired of it
sick & tired of it

Maybe if they don't return within a certain time frame, it just shows that they're not needed for their districts to run. I guess it shows they can easily be replaced. Hopefully sooner than later. They were elected to do a job and running away is not doing it. I've written to Dave Hansen the sen. for my area - - - still no reply. And they say they are getting their work done while in Illinois - - - - really?

Many states are in this same situation - - - it's time to get some control over spending. Our dollar is devalued and these deficits are not helping the economy at all. Time for the state and federal gov'ts to get this under control. I think we'd all benefit from working together to get this accomplished.

Thomas J
Thomas J

These are your typical cowardly Democratic leftist bought and paid for politicians who are in the bag of the nasty bully unions who honestly have no problem fleecing the taxpayer. The days of raping the citizen are over for some entitlement teachers union and all of the other individuals which have been spoon fed by the tax payers sweat. The ones at the Capital are a bunch of cut throat hags who I would not want teaching my child. They are cussing and swearing at the media and threatening violence. What a bunch of poor moral compasses for the poor excuse of the teachers they are. In fact the way they were picking on this educated black tea party man they sounded like a bunch of racist white trash pigs. Private school is an option. Fire the lot of them and fire the loser Democrat panty waists who are out lounging on lavish tax dollars. You can be replaced and should be. If you don't want to work find other jobs. Good luck, unless you are on the government dole the unemployment rate is 20% (not the CNN spoonfed 11%). Reality check you too can be replaced. Contribute to your own pension and Obamacare because we are tired of being taxed to death because of your filthy relationship with corrupt unions.

Bob
Bob

I live in Wisconsin and very proud of these senators. Especially my senator, Jon Erpenbach.

They have the courage of their convictions. God bless them!

ThirdSection
ThirdSection

Instead of simply voting 'no,' they have gone above and beyond the call of duty to represent their constituents by sacrificing their comfort and their livelihoods to draw a line in the sand to stop Walker's affront to the rights of decent working taxpayers and his attempts to cheaply sell the public resources of the state to the crooks who paid to get him elected.

ThirdSection
ThirdSection

Wisconsinites produce much of America's cheese and are fiercely proud of it.

Jhsh2703
Jhsh2703

When it all comes down to it, the WI 14 are complete cowards. How many people have to loose their jobs before you come down and do you yours? I'm non-unoion, my hubby is union. Figure it out before you ruin everything. LOSERS.

Hjl01
Hjl01

How true. What part of elected official are we missing. If your not there to do you job then let them go. Im sure that if I didn;t agree with my companies policies and choose to not show up for work, I would be FIRED!! The citizens of WI should demand that their employees return to work and face the responsibilities they have.

I Vote
I Vote

I can donate a bag of dog food so that you con feed them.

tax-payer
tax-payer

I am firmly a part of this country and I certainly do not support them. Please don't put words in other people's mouths. And America is a REPUBLIC, so those like you that "like America because it's a "democracy" can leave.

ThirdSection
ThirdSection

Cosigned by a more distant neighbor in CO.

I  Vote
I Vote

Get real The US is Broke ( china owns us)???????? What part dont you understand Wi. Broke????????????

Carol Grunewald
Carol Grunewald

Your friends and family are not putting their lives on the line daily for public service. Your friends and family do not face children day to day to form their knowledge.Your friends and famil do not see that this is beyond just Wisconsin. Wake up. The Republicans thought they could break down Wisconsin, and then the rest of the nation! All of the public servents are taxpayers also. I personally was not a part of anyone contributing to our retirement...guess what? I still support unions and especially those in the public sector!

tax-payer
tax-payer

Could you please explain this "great cost to themselves" to me please? I personally don't complain much during my paid vacations.

Carolg26
Carolg26

If anyone is bought and paid for, it is Scott Walker. Anyone studied the Koch brothers?

I Vote
I Vote

To bob: If Erpenbach Is so great, why isn't he in Madison doing his job?????????

Majorityrules
Majorityrules

Absolutely!! Would all of you who support the Wisconsin 14 also support Republicans if they did the same thing to block a bill that the Democrats supported? Would you support Republicans if they left the state and insisted they would not come back until the majority caved and changed the bill to their liking? How can you not see this as blackmail? The Wisconsin 14 have chosen to shut down the legislative process, the democratic process, so that they can get their way. Are you willing to put in writing here that you believe either side has that right? Perhaps you think that only the Democrats are patriots for leaving the state. Wouldn't you vilify the Republicans if they did the same thing? Do you support a double standard? If this were a dictatorship, as some have claimed, then Governor Walker would impose the rule instead of introducing a bill to be voted on by all of the elected officials of our state. Are you so ignorant that you don't know the difference between a dictatorship and a democracy? Is it only a democracy if you agree with the bill and get your way? What about those of us who disagree with you? Are we less important than you are? Should our voices not be heard because you disagree? Instead of empty rhetoric, why don't you tell us what you are afraid of if you lose collective bargaining? You will still be able to bargain for wages and benefits. What is it that you will lose? This does not affect private unions. Please tell me why public workers need a union? Police and firefighters will retain their collective bargaining rights. Aren't these the people you refer to who put their lives on the line for us every day? Tell me how a clerk at the DMV or an employee at the Department of Revenue put their lives on the line every day and need collective bargaining rights.

Stand tough Governor Walker and Senate Republicans! Do not allow the blackmail tactics of the Wisconsin 14 to win! If you do, that will mean that they can do it again and again any time they disagree.

ThirdSection
ThirdSection

Two things:

1. The US is both a democracy and a republic, the two aren't mutually exclusive. The word 'democracy' comes from demokratia, Greek for 'rule of the people,' and 'republic' comes from res publica, Latin for 'thing of the people.'

2. Guess what, I pay taxes too, most of the people posting to this board pay taxes, the public servants in Wisconsin and the rest of the states pay taxes, and the fourteen Senators pay taxes. We are all firmly a part of this country. You are not special in that regard, and if you don't like that, YOU get the fuck out!

tax-payer
tax-payer

How could you possibly know what his friends and family do for a living? Starting an argument based entirely on fantasy is usually a poor way to begin.

tax-payer
tax-payer

Please be reasonable. They are ALL bought and paid for; republicans and democrats alike.

Carolg26
Carolg26

He sees his job as meeting the greater good. He knows that if this repair bill passes, the state will suffer. How about Scott Walker changing the tax breaks he passed in January!

tax-payer
tax-payer

1. If America were a democracy, 50.1% of the population could decide policy. This is not possible, since we are not "ruled by the people". We are, in fact, ruled by representatives which are elected through an electoral college.

2. I was replying to lk2010's post which states, "Wisconsin 14, the country stands with you". I was merely stating that this blanket statement was not so. It says I was replying to him in the title. Please learn to read.

Why would I be mad that I'm not the only one paying taxes? Please make some sense in the future.

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