Michele Bachmann calls Barack Obama's birth certificate a facsimile

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Why is it so hard for Michele Bachmann to just come out and say that President Barack Obama is an American citizen?

Her latest embrace of birther conspiracy theories comes in the pages of Christianity Today -- where you'd think some adherence to the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule might be in order.

Here's what she said.

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I don't understand why the President doesn't just solve this issue. He could disclose his official birth certificate, and my understanding is that hasn't been done. And there's some facsimile, apparently, of something that is different. If the president says that he was born here, then I take him at his word. Within a minute the President could make this controversy go away. I don't understand why he doesn't do that.

The "facsimile, apparently, of something that is different," is nothing of the sort. It's the same kind of official birth certificate that the State of Hawaii issues at the birth of all its citizens, complete with a raised seal and certificate number. It's available for anyone to see. Here it is:

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To his credit, another Minnesotan who wants to be president, Tim Pawlenty, has dismissed the birthers, and their latest celebrity spokesman Donald Trump, as the hucksters they are.

I just don't believe, with the [newspaper] advertisement, with the hospital announcement, with the certificate of live birth, that somebody that long ago, you know, fabricated and created a fraudulent situation [so] that Barack Obama could be where he is today. I just don't believe that.

Why can't Michele Bachmann say the same thing?

Karl Rove has a theory about this: Obama wants birthers around, just so they can keep the Republican Party in a death grip.

Bachmann and the birthers:


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Cabbiclaude
Cabbiclaude

michele bachmann is what wrong with the this country,she should get married to donald trump and they could fix everything

ProjectMelton
ProjectMelton

The real shocker here is that Michele Bachmann knows how to spell facsimile.

CarolO
CarolO

I remember when the word "extremeists" made you think of terrorists. Now the first thing that enters your mind is "Tea Partiers" or "Birthers". We always have a group of people within our country that are whacko's. These would be the same type of people who burned people at the stake because they believed them to be witches. The same mentality of people who wiped out millions of Jews searching for the perfect race. The same type of people who hung minorities from tree limbs. It's nothing but a mind set that they need a reason to hate and someone to put that hate on. They are an embarrasment to the Republican Party and should be an enbarrassement to themselves! To live life filled with so much hate must be no life at all.And while they have put their "chosen ones" in the Senate, those are the ones who are wanting to get rid of medicaid, medicare, social security and unemployment benefit. These same Birthers and Tea Parties have voted 74% to stop Republicans from taking their Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. What Obama is trying to SAVE for all of us but they can't see that because again they only want to hate.

Mike
Mike

The pic accompanying this post came from the web site Fact Check dot org, which traveled to Hawaii and did a thorough examination of the documents. They also do discuss the question of why Pres. Obama's father is listed as "African". The result of their reporting can be found at the link below.

http://www.factcheck.org/elect...

LibsRnuts
LibsRnuts

This document is not a valid certification of live birth without a signature from a county official ie. county deputy registrar. Where is the signature certifying that all of the information on it is correct???

Big Herb Dickerson
Big Herb Dickerson

well that's settled then... what should we do now. what's your proposal? do you have a problem with President Biden's paperwork?

Guest
Guest

You are just nuts.

Zorromcgee
Zorromcgee

Jerk, Jerk Jerk, you are just proving me right again! you cut and paste this from the link ""In the case of Barack Obama, the clerk would have looked at the father’s race: “African” and the mother’s race: “Caucasian” and written down (by the rules of 1961) “Negro” on the tally sheet." That is true but the full statement means he would have wrote Negro for Obamas race since the father and mothers race are self reported. The clerk would not have changed "african" to "negro". So your inability or unwillingness to understand once again proves to be your undoing since obamas father could list his race as whatever he thought it was. I await your admission of error.

BR Drexinger
BR Drexinger

Difference between USSR Communist media and USA "mainstream media"

In Russia government make media say what they want - even if lie.

In USA "mainstream media" try make government what they want - even if lie..

.....eventually they become same thing?!

Old Russian saying You can tell same lie 1000 time but not change truth!

I Igor produce Obama Birth Certificate at www.igormarxo.org

Compare Obama Care vs Igor Care at Obama Care vs Igor Care

Richard M. Stenzel
Richard M. Stenzel

This is very sad politics even for republican tea party members. There are a few good republican men and women out there among us. Bachman and Palin are not the brightest of two people to represent any party, domestic or foreign. Their comments are so biased and thump on the racial ticket all the time. I think they still believe Hawaii is part of Japan. I wnder if either one of them ever pass high school legally?

Now let's bring in Trump for example, this guy owes more money to US tax payers than some of the samll banks combined, yet he is qualified to run for president to save this nation ?

Bachmannsucks
Bachmannsucks

Anyone who voted for that crotchety old woman should be ashamed. She has brought fallacy into the office and continues to make misleading and unimportant statements confusing he public. Bachmann is a mule and should be removed from office. She has wasted America's system; time and hard earned money.

OKay
OKay

"Obama wants birthers around, just so they can keep the Republican Party in a death grip."I can't believe that. When has the Republican Party been hampered by racism and malevolence?

swmnguy
swmnguy

My birth certificate looks exactly like this. It was issued in Indiana in 1966. My wife's birth certificate looks exactly like this. It was issued in North Dakota in 1965. Each of us, at different times, thought we had lost our original birth certificates and requested new copies. What we received, she in the mid-nineties and me in the mid-2000's, looked lamer and faker than this. But it's the original official, by-gosh-by-golly birth certificate. I wish it looked more like the Magna Carta, or a baseball card, myself. But it doesn't. No cute tiny footprints or handprints. Just a thing that looks like a starter check. Whatever. The only reason for the conspiracy is racism. Pure and simple.

Chuck
Chuck

Bachmann says, according to the story you linked to, "If the president says that he was born here, then I take him at his word."

Doesn't sound like a birther to me.

Obama was born here. He's a citizen. There is some interesting conversation surrounding why he apparently doesn't have a long form birth certificate. I heard one pundit say the long form may have listed his religion as muslim and the long form was conveniently "buried" when Obama prepared for his presidential run. The Certificate of Live Birth for Obama was issued a few years ago--not fifty years ago when he was born. I'm the same age as Obama, and fifty years ago, birth certificates were hand-typed or filled in with ink. I have mine; it looks, well, fifty years old, not brand new like Obama's short form Certificate of Live Birth.

Big Herb Dickerson
Big Herb Dickerson

How lucky we are to have such a wonderful forensic birth certificate analyzer like yourself Chuck. So you think the birth certificate should look older? OK. And you think it might say Muslim on his REAL birth certificate. So what if it did? Are you saying that Muslims are barred from running for office then?

Guest
Guest

Some people are just hopeless and I fear you are one of them.

Forward Pride
Forward Pride

Honolulu is most certainly within the United States. It has been proven--over and over and over--that our President was born there. But the bigots are content to continue to make noise to distract pathetic ditto-heads. They know they're lying and they don't care because it's what the drooling haters want to hear.

Guest
Guest

Was O'Bama born in Ireland?

Montana
Montana

Trump loves “rattling the Birthers cages”, too funny.

The GOP is like the "Chicken Littles” always saying that the “Sky is Falling”, like the same ones that were the “Chicken Hawks” ("W" Wars), big talk no courage. The United States, favors creativity wherever it can be found. We're apostles of prosperity and defenders of the free exchange of ideas and when more people in more countries are free to rise, to invent, to communicate, to dissent, it's not the doom of United States leadership, its the triumph of the American way.Generations have worked hard and sacrificed much for the country to reach this point (individuals and our unions!), and with further hard work and sacrifice (along with our relentless self-doubt) the United States will rise again, we do not tire and we are coming back, no matter what the “Chicken Littles” keep saying about our nation. Never Bet Against the United States! Our current President travelled under a USA passport long before he was elected President, but I guess the quacky BIRTHERS, must believe that the USCIS – United States Passport was in on the lie, please, grow up, you are wrong! Remember when some contractors were busted during the “George W. Bush” administration for looking at our current President passport file (how quick you forget).http://swampland.blogs.time.co...

The Birthers just HATE and can’t debate!Have any of the quacky BIRTHERS presented any credible proof that will standup in court? Answer: NoHave any of the quacky BIRTHERS won any Court Cases? Answer: NoThey are just mainly backward, uneducated, white people who HATE our half black President.

The majority of the voting public ask “where the proof”, show some proof BIRTHERS or the voting majority will continue to see you as dumb, stupid or racist, maybe all three. Can you blame them?

Still, I really hope one of these retreads and blowhards runs for president, not because they have a chance of winning but because I like to see the train wreck that they will cause.

Faux News Candidates:former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin ”The I graduated Early”,former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga. “The I Love The Interns”,former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee “The Huckster Reverend”,former Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa. “The I Love the Gays”,former UN Ambassador John Bolton “The I Love The War ”

I Finance Myself:real estate celebrity developer, Donald Trump, “I took my Casino into Bankruptcy, just imagine where I can Take the US”former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney “The Flip-Flopping Fudger”,former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush “The I Am Not My “Dumb Ass” Brother”,

Employed Long Shots:Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn. “The History, I Don’t Need No Stink’n History”,Mississippi Gov./ former tobacco lobbyist, Haley Barbour “The last White Hope”

Forward Pride
Forward Pride

Michele's sense of ethics is a facsimile, copied directly from lying, bigoted losers like Rush, Rove, and Beck. She is the direct idealogical descendant of Strom Thurmond.

bronson
bronson

If Bachmann wants to run for president, I think we should demand that she produces Hitler's death certificate.

noodleman
noodleman

@Joesaebi: The document is valid. It is issued by the State of Hawaii. Notice that notary seal affixed to it? I just received a copy of my own birth certificate from the State of Minnesota. Guess what? It looks just like Obama's! Even the layout is the same. States no longer issue the old-fashioned microfiche copies of the original certificate with your footprints, doctor's signature, etc.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Let's face it, Barry Soetoro (aka Barrack Obama) loves this controversy. To allow millions of people to squabble over something that's so simple to produce, has to be a distraction. Think of the opportunity Barry has to cast the "birthers" as conspiratorial morons. Why not use this? He has his henchmen constantally fending off this group and the other stones they through. Why not use this to harm their credibility?It has to be a "useful distraction". A distraction from what is the question.

I say pay no attention to this; watch the other hand...

Big Herb Dickerson
Big Herb Dickerson

henchmen? zeromcbrains? I like when dumbasses like you hold forth about how the 1961 rules for Hawaiin birth certificates were'nt properly followed. Like you have a goddamn clue what you are talking about... Go back to your mom's basement and, for your own personal safety, never divulge any personal information here or in public where someone might over hear and realize it's you.

Joesaebi
Joesaebi

Hey imbecile, the dept of health in Ha. has never verified that this document is valid. What race is African? No state has ever made notations that African is a race. This was made by some partisan hack like yourself. Africa is a continent.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Nice catch! What race is "African"

In 1961 that would have been "black" or "negro" as an official term.Hmmm...

The race of "African" was used to describe a human "property title" during the "Arab slave trade" in North Africa 100-200 years prior but that description was only used in the slave trade until as of lately.

Zorromcgee
Zorromcgee

as usual the Jerk is wrong-http://www.obamaconspira...

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Good job zeromcbrains!Did you happen to read any of the link you posted? Or did you skim until you found what you thought supported your personal smear of me?

Down near the bottom, under where it say "update" by the author of the article-

"In the case of Barack Obama, the clerk would have looked at the father’s race: “African” and the mother’s race: “Caucasian” and written down (by the rules of 1961) “Negro” on the tally sheet."

And above that, near the top-"official rules dictate that the official filing the certificate of birth should have checked the box for - □ Black or African American"

Can anyone show me where blacks were called "African" in 1961 on any other official government form?

So where was I wrong again zeromcbrains? Simply listing "African" IS NOT a choicePerhaps that could just be a dumb government worker, there are many.

Anyone else want to try to prove me wrong? zeromcbrains is failing miserably but I appreciate zeromcbrains effort.So does CP, they get paid per hit on these articles.

green23
green23

http://www.kitv.com/politics/1...

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,"

I think that you are wrong.

The COLB shown is valid because it is stamped with the raised seal. This is done so that the COLB doesn't have to be "verified" every time it is presented. If it didn't match the Vital Statistics record, don't you think they would have said something? It's a pretty big issue for the Hawaii Dept, of Health.

The irony here is that the federal government no longer accepts the "long-form" certificate as proof of anything, because it is too easy to forge. So the birthers are demanding an easily-forged document as proof, and rejecting the verified document.

Tommy Johnson
Tommy Johnson

From FactCheck.org - and anyone can click on the link, below the Birth Certificate:

***Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.***

Also at that link, for FactCheck.org:

***Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat.***

Seems that Joesaebi already has one.....

Zorromcgee
Zorromcgee

read this and then comment-http://www.msnbc.msn.c...And you have never heard of someone referring to someones race as 'asian"that to is a continent-or what about "native American" The America are continents also

vitajex
vitajex

So, either he's not an American citizen and this is all a giant conspiracy to put a foreigner in the White House

OR

He is an American citizen and this is all a giant conspiracy to put a liberal in the White House.

Either way, the GOP tactics of fear and mistrust can continue! YAY!

Constitutional Voter
Constitutional Voter

You miss the point. Obama is an American Citizen. The question is - was Obama born on US soil as the constitution requires the President of the USA to be? If he was not actually born on US soil then he is not eligble to serve as President even if he is a US citizen.

Isaac Anthony
Isaac Anthony

By the evidence you've been supplied, he is more qualified than McCain. What planet do you live on?

Constitutional voter
Constitutional voter

Isaac what is the color of the sky in your world? McCain brought his issue to court for resolution before running. The U.S. Courts found in favor of McCain.

Was Obama actually born in Kenya or in Hawaii. That was the question. Did friends in Hawaii fabricate the certificate? Who knows and who cares. Obama's policies are destroying our way of life and it will not come back. Soon the tools that elected this idiot will feel the pain and wake up. That is the real issue. Open your eyes and smell the coffee.

Arghtothejay
Arghtothejay

Then McCain wasn't elligable either? Considering he was born in the Panama Canal lease.

Also then President has to a "Natural Born Citizen", I beleive that is the term you are searching for. Either way its BS plain and simple. Maybe the GOP should launch a congressional investigation, maybe they can get a higher tab than they did with the Clinton BJ trial. Which happened to cost more than the investigation into how the financial industry pooped its pants.

constitutional voter
constitutional voter

McCain went to court over this very matter. The court ruled that military bases like embassy's are considered U.S. soil and for diplomats and service people they meet the criteria. McCain's father was stationed their in service to his country.

The GOP needs to addres the terrible economy that Obama's policies has left us. JOBS, Cheaper Gas, and get us out of this damm wars!

TunerGeek
TunerGeek

Not only that, he's a United States citizen. ("America" comprises many, many nations, including Canada, Brazil, Mexico, Peru, etc., etc.)

vitajex
vitajex

So it seems that you are arguing that Hawaii is not U.S. soil.

I guess I did miss that point... probably because I'm a rational human being.

constitutional voter
constitutional voter

I'm not arguing pinhead just pointing out the facts. Of course hawaii is U.S. Soil but was Obama born in Kenya or in Hawaii. That is the debate here. I don't care.

Obama's policies have driven gas to 5 bucks a gallon, totally screwed up our economy with his wacked out ideas, continues to lie through his teeth by changing his direction depending upon the voters moods AND gave GE 3 billion in tax credits. Obama is a liar, thief, cheap politician without one ioda of leadership in his bones.

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