Countdown to government shutdown: Who's to blame?

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Minnesota lawmakers have until July 1 to get it together.
As of today, the Minnesota Legislature is two-and-a-half weeks tardy in solving the state's $5 billion budget deficit. Unfortunately for everyone, there doesn't appear to be a budget deal in sight.

If no agreement is made by July 1st, the Minnesota government will temporarily shut down for the second time in six years.

"I'm a little bit more worried in terms of direct impact," says Dr. Stephen Frank, political science professor at St. Cloud state. Frank says he's already put a hold on a remodeling project he'd been planning for his master bathroom this summer, fearing he might be out of the job for a while come July.

As a MnSCU professor, he probably won't fall under the umbrella of "critical employees" that will remain working during a shutdown.

At this point, the odds of the Republicans and Dayton finding middle ground by their deadline are slim to none, says David Schultz, political expert and professor at Hamline University School of Business.

"Dayton and the Republicans are no closer now than they were when the legislative session started," says Schultz. "At the most general level, it's about contrasting views on the value of government. Dayton and the Republicans have very, very different views."

As for what a statewide government shutdown would look like, no one can really say. But political analysts warn to brace for something much worse than the partial shutdown in 2005.

"I think it would be much more Draconian than last time," says Larry Jacobs, a University of Minnesota political science professor.

If there is no agreement, Dayton will likely push for a harsh shutdown in order to put more pressure on the Republicans, says Jacobs. Legislators will face re-election before Dayton, and have more to lose if things get ugly.

"I think he wants the full effect of the shutdown to be felt," says Jacobs. "Now, I think he'll look for a way to prevent loss of life, but I think it's going to be pretty severe."

But a government shutdown doesn't just happen. The actions -- or absence of actions -- of parties on both sides of the aisle brought this on. Here are some of the individuals and groups experts say contributed to this high-stakes staring contest:

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Former governors Tim Pawlenty and Jesse Ventura.
Past Leadership

A $5 billion budget deficit doesn't happen over night. One-time patches, tax cuts, and deferments that date back to the Jesse Ventura administration have only caused Minnesota's budget problems to snowball over the years.

"That started the game of dodging major policy disagreements through budget gimmickry, and that's the road we've been on ever since," says Jacobs. "We're at the end of the road. There is no more tobacco settlement money. The stimulus is gone."

Tim Pawlenty is particularly guilty. In his two terms, Pawlenty used just about every one-time patch out there to balance the budget. By 2009, 41 percent of the state budget was comprised by these one-time fixes, according to the National Conference of State Legislators. That put Minnesota second only to Sarah Palin's Alaska in reliance on temporary solutions.

"They just didn't make the hard choices," says Frank.

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State Senator/ King Tut enthusiast Sandy Pappas.
The DFL Caucus

Now in the minority, it's easy for Minnesota Democrats to blame the Republicans for the budget stalemate. But the DFL caucus didn't exactly do much to help the situation. They didn't even propose a budget this session. On the contrary, it seems like they were doing all they could to make sure the budget wasn't solved on time.

"The legislative Democrats are horrible -- horrible -- at political messaging and political maneuvering," says Schultz. "In fact, they relied completely on Dayton. They really didn't do anything in terms of getting their message out and getting their argument out."

There's no better example of the Democrats' public procrastination than the King Tut rant from Sen. Sandra Pappas, DFL-St. Paul. On May 18, less than a week before the session deadline, Pappas took it upon herself to waste everyone's time by reading King Tut's biography aloud on the Senate floor. She then began listing off the names of dinosaurs found at the Science Museum, successfully mispronouncing the scientific names for half of the organisms alive during the Jurassic period.


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Hrkalco
Hrkalco

"The DFL caucus didn't exactly do much to help the situation. They didn't even propose a budget this session."  Typical of the DFL.  Money grows on tree's.  Dayton, who is an heir to the Dayton Empire (remember Dayton's Dept. Store and not to mention Target)  He is a silver spoon kid never holding a job in the private sector and never having to make a payroll.  This is typical of the DFL millionaires, it's all about the power they can possess not you, me or "the people" or should I say "peasants?  All of these career politicians in either party do not care about "the people" only their own political career's. 

REMEMBER MINNESOTA, THE DEMOCRATS DID NOT EVEN BRING A BUDGET TO THE TABLE!!  JUST LIKE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID NOT PASS A BUDGET IN 2009 AND 2010.  THIS IS A PAGE OUT OF THE OBAMA PLAYBOOK.  THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE BILLS, YOU DO!!

Anne Mitchell
Anne Mitchell

stop the madness!  This shutdown will wind up taking more out of the taxpayers pockets.  Back pay and unemployment for alleged state employees. I don';t think so we get sixty percent of our pay on unemployment for out companies we once worked for.  Whate makes the people who treat us so unfavorably anytime you need a drivers license or any other kinds of help deserve all that money well they don't and if that kind of work ethinc were used in business they would be fired.  we shold have the right to fire them since we are the payroll.  We shold be able to withhold taxes and people with no kids in school should n't be taxed to death for it either.  Mark Dayton and his inability to act like the mature adult he looks like should not act the child.  He really wants to run this state into the ground.  Raising taxes on only one part of the state isn't the case it gets passed to the lower incomes.  They have tax shelters, tax attorneys and everything else/.  This governor is so far out of touch with the people it is so unreal.  Shutting down the government isn't going to make the issues go awayl.  You are still going to have to face the people you allegedly represent.

Vaz046
Vaz046

We all have jobs to do. When we elect or officials, they know that part of their job is to agree on a budget. If they do not have their job done by July 1st, EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN OFFICE SHOULD BE FIRED!!!!! Plain and simple. If they can't get their crap together, I think it's time to re-evaluate who we have running the state of Minnesota.This is child's play. Get your act together congress and DO YOUR JOB! I don't care if your Rep. or Dem. you have to learn to work together. Come on, be a role model, not a failure to the entire state of MN.

Dave2
Dave2

   It doesn’t really matter who made what kind of budget offer to whom. The hang up is the Republican temper tantrum over paying more taxes. If they would just agree to compromise and solve the deficit by cutting spending AND increasing taxes, the budget would have long since been set.  But no, they act like stubborn toddlers and refuse any kind of tax increase. They obviously assess themselves as the hierarchy of the citizenry; too privileged to pitch in and pay a fair share.   It’s time for Democrats to take off the gloves and stop being so polite.  They need to start insulting Republicans. Call out the cheapskate chiselers for what they are. Quit coddling them and tell them how despicable they look, how shameful their reluctance to pay their fair share is. Tell them to quit whining and wipe their noses, and reach into their back pockets and take out some of their precious cash. …And use it to support their government. Put their money where their mouths are.

Grayagogo
Grayagogo

Its a shame jackass commenters lurk at this site.  Excellent article Andy.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

You guys still have failed to provide any sort of numbers.talking points like "draconian cuts" appeal to simpletons.Don't be a simpleton!

Ask for details people!Start with; "what draconian cuts"?

It's time for me to go home now; and as poor as I am, I have no home internet access to continue this lovely debate.  Have cable and internet-loose my house.  I think I made the better choice.  So, I will touch base with all of you Monday, and answer any replies. (what cuts)This was funpeace 

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

OK, Anyone else want to try?

How is a budget 2 billion LARGER than the last budget, a "cut"?

32 billion last time34 billion this time

The answer is NOT in your stack of "talking points" See where talking points get ya?

vitajex
vitajex

Personally, I blame Prince.  If he would pay his taxes, the state would run a budget surplus again.

Zeroisanumber
Zeroisanumber

We hired a meathead governor and a crew of bomb-throwing neophytes united by their common hatred of government. What the hell else did we expect except inept governance and political posturing?

You want to know who's guilty for this horrible mess? Minnesota voters. We vote for slick-talking know-nothings and suburban twits. We've done the same thing for the last decade or more. We're responsible and we're getting the shit government that we deserve.

green23
green23

From last week's PPP survey of 1179 MN registered voters:

"Voters are siding with Dayton in his battle with legislativeRepublicans over raising taxes on the wealthy. Only 32% of voters wanta 'cuts only' solution to balancing the budget compared to 63% whosupport increased taxes on the wealthiest 2% of voters in the state."

Nearly two-to-one support of Dayton's position.

Maybe that is why the same survey noted:

"Speaking of that Republican legislature it might be a short livedphenomenon. GOP legislators have a remarkably bad 29/58 favorabilityspread."

The term for this phenomenon is "over-reach".

Mn Voter
Mn Voter

Excellent article that says it all: It Tom Emmer was Gov then we would have a $34 million dollar budget. Evidently it is the weiners fault: Mark Dayton who refuses to have a balanced budget of $34,000,000 that was ready for him to sign but he Vetoed! I say the Republicans can go one step further if Mark Dayton wants to shut the government down, then layoff every state employee and open the jobs up for all the unemployed. That will save additonal money on salary and benefits. Why NOT take it to the streets as Mark Dayton and the Democrats want!

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

From an inside source, at the legislative/gubernatorial budget meetings.  Both democrats and Republicans have said, while in meetings with Mark Dayton on the budget, his personality changes drastically from day to day.  "It's almost like your meeting an entirely different person from one day to the next".Of course this is when the Governor actually shows up.But hey, we all knew this before hand.  Mark Dayton has openly admitted he is border line bi-polar and needs daily medication.

Remember how the democrat leadership wouldn't let him attend the convention in Duluth last summer?Remember how Mark Dayton was denied a pass that would have given him access to the convention floor?Remember why?Remember how he overturned the wishes of the democrat delegates and their endorsement of another candidate.

Yes Minnesota, you cant ask for anything better!

crit_eek
crit_eek

Why not blame citizens?  I don't mean that rudely, just to say that citizens have been lacking constructive criticism (emphasis on "constructive", we've got plenty of criticism).  This government is by and of the people, but the people refuse to speak, so we're stuck with a handful of people (elected officials) who claim to know what all of Minnesota wants.  Where are the calls to end tax expenditures and loopholes?  Where are the calls on what, specifically, we as Minnesotans want cut from the budget because we're happy to live without?  Where are the citizens' statements on how much, if anything at all, they are willing to pay in excess of what they're currently paying to solve the budget?  The more the citizens are silent, the more they are ruled by this handful.

Thegracekelly
Thegracekelly

You have an error in your report, the DFL caucus did propose a budget - it is the governor's budget. The whole DFL is allowed to agree on one budget. 

green23
green23

Okay, so explain why the Republicans increased the budget when they said before the election that it was already bloated and full of waste? Were they lying then or lying now?

Zeroisanumber
Zeroisanumber

Why should anyone bother? You're not going to change your mind and you aren't going to have a reasonable discussion about it either, so there's no point.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Personally, I blame trust fund babies like Dayton, who harbor their trusts out of state.Who then milk the distributions to avoid taxation.  (Stretch Roth)This is what happens when you "tax the rich", they get creative...

Google:  Dayton trust South Dakota - videoWatch the video where he admits just this

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

A poll of who?People at union headquarters?People leaving the 90's?Last weekends art fair?

Remember, a couple days before the election.  "The Polls" showed Dayton was up by 10% on Emmer.  Every liberal and democrat were championing those polls.But yet Dayton won by less than a 1/2%Poising yourself on the side of the deceivers again?

Sign of insanity.  to repeat the same action expecting different results

green23
green23

Remember when you said that you were moving out of the State? It was the same discussion where you claimed to have a doctorate. I mean, you're unemployed with three kids, right? Are you having trouble keeping up with your various pretend personalities? One of them criticises Obama for killing an unarmed man in bed. Another points out that Obama didn't kill bin Laden; the SEALs did. And yet another of "you" says that the entire killing was faked.

You are so credible. Maybe you could make up another pretend personality that is sane and not a pathological liar.

Zeroisanumber
Zeroisanumber

$34 billion, not million. And he'd have done it by gutting education, safety, aid to local governments, and social services. Your taxes still would've skyrocketed because local governments would make up the difference by jacking up property taxes.

Emmer probably would've been thrown out in the next election, but he would've left a king hell of a mess for us to clean up in the aftermath.

Both sides need to bite the bullet and make some pretty substantial compromises so that we can get out of this mess, but the democrats are incompetent and the republicans are all trying to get their faces on Fox News so they can become the next Bachmann. Long story short: We're fucked.

Michelle Bachmann
Michelle Bachmann

Tom Emmer is a con artist.   If he really cared about conservative principles he would be working for the party in some fashion.   He could have started a charity and put some conservative ideas into work in the private sector.  Instead Tom Emmer cashes in and gets a radio show.   Like all right wing talk show con artists Tom Emmer will spend the rest of his life making money off of gullible stupid bigots like you and Kirk.    Isn't it amazing Jason Lewis, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, and the rest of the con artists know exactly what is wrong with America but won't do anything about it?   They could run for office or start a grassroots movement to change society but for some reason they choose to sit on their ass and call Obama a socialist.   Maybe you can buy Tom Emmer's book someday and read about how everything bad is because of the liberals in this country, only $19.95 from his website.    Maybe Tom Emmer could get a reality tv show or something since Republican idiots love to watch reality tv shows. 

webcelt
webcelt

"and open the jobs up for all the unemployed." And pay them with what? Maybe the article is right, and Republicans really just don't understand how government works.

green23
green23

I'm so pleased that electing a Republican majority has solved all of the State's economic problems magically...just as they promised.

webcelt
webcelt

"inside source"? We should take your word for it? The governor seems to be the most grown up person involved. For two years he's been publicly saying the same thing, yet Republicans act surprised he meant any of it.

Michelle Bachmann
Michelle Bachmann

Kirk let's see you use your tiny Tea Party brain and actually come up with some proof that Mark Dayton is unstable.    I've seen no evidence of him acting unstable since the election.   Since I'm a liberal and deal in facts here is a brief list of unstable Republicans Minnesotan legislators and their staff  since the last election.

1)  Senator Gretchen Hoffman and Republican Senate staffer Michael Brodkorb both obviously lied about the statements of a Democratic Senator.   This lie was so obvious  the Democrats  filed an ethics complaint.    Small children lie this obviously and stupidly.  Any Democrats lied this obviously that it required an ethics complaint lying moron Kirk?  2)  Republican legislative aides started a gambling pool laughing at 36,000 Minnesotans who might get laid off.    I would say its a sign of mental instability gambling about such a horrible thing.    Those 36,000 workers not bringing home a paycheck will mean horror and struggle for their families.  Pretty evil and or crazy to make it into a game.  Any Democrats do anything this consciously evil and stupid? 3) Rep. Ernie Leidiger invites Bradlee Dean, a known and obvious bigot, to speak on the floor of the Minnesota House.   I would say its a sign of instability to invite a bigot who has said so many awful things about gay people and muslims.   I know part of being a Republican is being a bigot that hates gays and muslims but Bradlee Dean is a noted basher and hater of the United States of America.   As a patriot who voted for the guy that killed Osama Bin Laden I find it offensive how much these Republicans hate America.  I find it offensive a stupid bigot like Bradlee Dean who obviously doesn't understand Christian values would dare question the religion of THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES on the Minnesota house floor.    I think giving a scumbag like this a platform on the floor of the House is a sign of instability.   Has Mark Dayton given a platform to any bigots like Bradlee Dean? 

Gov. Dayton has been the adult that is focused on improving Minnesota.   Republicans are a bunch of children that waste everyone's time with a bunch of nonsense like English only and anti gay marriage laws.   For all you Democrats wondering why Republicans act like a bunch of idiots look no further than their supporters in the City Pages comment section.  Kirk is a lying vile idiot who ignores facts and relies on "whispers" he heard.   Like you have one source worth a damm Kirk.   Your "inside source"  sees a gullible idiot who needs to hear that all Democrats are unstable instead of actual facts.    Kirk is such a gullible idiot that he makes $30,000 yet thinks rich people need a tax break so his property taxes can go up.    How do you square that moron?    Are property taxes not taxes?    I own a home, I owned it throughout the Pawlenty budgets.   He balanced those budgets by raising my property taxes.    I don't need my property taxes to go up more.  Time for rich people to pay their fair share of taxes in this state.   Go Governor Mark Dayton. 

webcelt
webcelt

It's weird how something so obvious still has to be explained. Want the DFL minorities to produce a budget? They sign off on the governor's budget. Done.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Yes they lied!And I don't like it.Their budget (34 billion) is exactly the amount of money the state in currently taking in.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Ha, Ha, Ha, I think I gotcha!Busted in a talking point!

Nice, Do you give up?

Remember, I was a liberal for most of adult life.  Somehow I "changed my mind"...

green23
green23

Kirk wrote:"A poll of who?" A poll of 1,179 registered Minnesota voters. Didn't I say that? Yes, I did.

PPP is a very highly-rated polling firm. They use automated telephone polling. Actually, in the 2010 elections, they had an overall Republican bias of 0.8 points. Nobody paid for the poll, either. PPP did it for free.

So we can believe a scientifically-conducted poll with a MOE of 2.9%, or we can believe your completely anecdote-based assertions.

Or you can show us a poll showing different results. But we all know you won't do that.

Kirk: ""The Polls" showed Dayton was up by 10% on Emmer."

PPP polled the 2010 gubernatorial race 10/30/10 and showed Dayton ahead by 3 points, with an MOE of 2.2 points. That's pretty close. Missed by about 0.3% outside the MOE.Once again, your grasp of facts is weak.

Kirk: "Poising yourself on the side of the deceivers again?"

I think that is your job, old man. It is so amusing how you ask questions, and then continue to rant as if the person you are questioning just answered you. Really, it never gets old, and is so very clever of you.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

No,No No Zero.

I cant let you guys dodge this one;  "How is a 2 billion dollar increase in state spending a cut"?

A cut?  A cut in what?32 before, and 34 now?hmmm....

Come on, you and you buddies up in here, put your heads together and explain it!32 billion before, and 34 billion now?How is that a cut?

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Republicans new budget is 34 billion.The last biennium budget was 32 billion.

The Republicans budget adds 1 billion to the last education budgetThe Republicans budget adds 1 billion to the last healthcare budget.

If not, where did the additional 2 billion go.32 billion last time.34 billion this time.Where is the disconnect?That's a 6% INCREASE in the budget!

The state "budget increase" is not as large as you want, and you call it a "cut"?3th grade math, is all you need to figure out you have been bamboozled.

Either your being disingenuous by lieing with a agenda, or you are just dumb.

LOOK IT UP!!!!!!!!

green23
green23

From PPP:

"If you could do last fall’s election for Governorover again would you vote for Democrat MarkDayton, Republican Tom Emmer, orindependent Tom Horner?"

48% Dayton 36% Emmer 13% Horner

It's great that Kirk and The-Fool-of Many-Names keep up their delusions. It just shows swing voters that the Republicans really are crazier than they thought.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

inflation?  6% in one year?That should be BIG TIME news.Who is the news protecting?Hmmm, who's money printing policies could have caused that kind of inflation in product and service fees?

Did you get a 6% raise over last year.Who pays the governments bills?

"Minnesota is the state with the highest Fortune 500 companies per capita."Ya, how many decided to leave within the last two years?They didn't leave the country, they left the state for another state.

Help!Me less half brain don't know compute...

green23
green23

This is spot on. The apparent, implied reason that the newly-elected Republican majority hasn't fixed everything is that liberals exist. Did they not know this before the election?

It's uncanny how Republican 'solutions' collapse unless they receive unanimous applause. Any kind of doubt or dissent seemingly destroys the magic.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

And for the same amount of time, Republicans promised and campaigned on, that they will not raise taxes.Yet you liberals seem confused...

How many budget meetings has the governor failed to show up for?nice leadership skills huh?Perhaps his mommy told him he could stay home from school that day...

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

WOW, and it has been said, I go off "rants" and "tangents"thanks michelle, for making me look like a small fish in that pond phony MB!Lovely misdirection.  See, I used to be a liberal for years.  I know you.  I was bigger in the liberal agenda than anyone would guess. 

First off, I WON'T REVEAL MY SOURCES.  Unlike you, I have honor.You just wait till the commercials start coming, backing up what I'm saying.  Oh ya, they're coming..

Let me push you in this direction.Google this people:  MARK DAYTON  BI-POLAR  DEPRESSEDGoogle this people:  MARK DAYTON  NO SHOW

See what I saying people?It's not republicans making these claims.  You will find fellow democrats and liberals defending him in their articles for these exact things I proclaim.It's the democrats trying to save face because Dayton has BIG potential to be embarrassing.  Funny huh?And Michelle-"Kirk is such a gullible idiot that he makes $30,000 yet thinks rich people need a tax break so his property taxes can go up.    How do you square that moron?  Are property taxes not taxes?"So michelle, you are admitting government has no ability to control itself, and it's desire to spend, even when outside it's means?  If you local taxes go up, it's because your local government cannot spend responsibly within it's budget.

Here is where people like phony michelle get their inspiration.Self admittid Communist/Socialist - Saul Alinsky, and his book - Rules for RadicalsRULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."There is no defense. It's irrational.  It's infuriating.  It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

Michelle here is a fact for you, because you say; "Since I'm a liberal and deal in facts" (ya, right. nice public display of l your liberal arrogance) 

Planned Parenthood killed more blacks than the KKK ever did.

Who supports Planned Parenthood like it's a religion?   That's right, you and your fellow demonic liberals. Belonging to the "church of dead black babies" you do.Has Obama gave your "church of dead black babies" tax exempt status yet?

green23
green23

" Kirk is such a gullible idiot that he makes $30,000"

Actually, he has said he makes less than that. I'm pretty sure he is retired and his income probably comes from a socialist Ponzi scheme.

Mn Voter
Mn Voter

Yes, the DFL wants to spend MORE, TAX More, and only for the good of their Public Union lackey's in order for them to send more money into the DFL party coffers. The Gov had a balanced budget that was $2,000,000 more than the budget ending this month. Dayton veto'd an increased but balanced budget. Maybe the DFL can put a restaurant tax on to raise more money to spend - maybe Perkins can make up the deficit that Dayton wants to create.  

green23
green23

Also, Pawlenty did some financial juggling and basically "borrowed" money from the future. Now it's the future, and the money has to be paid back. He also had unrealistic estimates of all the jobs that would be created because of his tax policies, because people with jobs pay taxes. See how well that worked out?

Michelle Bachmann
Michelle Bachmann

Well the budget goes up every year because more people live in Minnesota year after year.  As the number of citizens increases the amount of government services needed increases.  

Also:Inflation (ĭn-flā'shən)A persistent increase in the level of consumer prices or a persistent decline in the purchasing power of money, caused by an increase in available currency and credit beyond the proportion of available goods and services.

t's a fairly basic concept.   That's how 34 can be considered a cut for anyone that has half a brain.  

I know its hard to think and be educated but its kind of important.  Helps you make informed decisions about things.  

So I have a question for all you lying stupid conservatives.   Explain this to me.  Minnesota has always been a liberal state with high taxes.  Minnesota is the state with the highest Fortune 500 companies per capita.   Minnesota ranks 7th in the United States in number of Fortune 500 companies.   South Dakota has always had low taxes.   South Dakota is a dump with hardly any people and 0 Fortune 500 companies.   Please put your tiny dinosaur brains together and explain that.  My theory is that Minnesota is a state that spends its tax dollars wisely on things like education and infrastructure.  This creates smart hard working liberals who drive the economy.   South Dakota has no money and spends the money foolishly on making sure women can't get abortions.   All the smart people in South Dakota see this stupidity and move to Minnesota.  This causes a stupid mean populace that can't attract top talent even when they have a good idea.  (Google Gateway Computers and why the left South Dakota's low taxes for socialist bankrupt California).   Please explain why socialist liberal Minnesota has the highest quality of life in the nation every year while mean stupid Republican run South Dakota has slot machines in their gas stations. 

Zeroisanumber
Zeroisanumber

Nah. It'd take a little while and you'd just ignore what I posted anyway.

Zeroisanumber
Zeroisanumber

Doesn't solve the underlying budgetary problems that we've been kicking down the road for the last decade or so.

Zeroisanumber
Zeroisanumber

Well, I might just be a bit bitter since I voted for Horner. He seemed down-to-earth, competent, and remarkably free of the twin infections of ambition and Big Ideas. My second choice was Margaret Kelliher, but Dayton spent her into the ground.

Michelle Bachmann
Michelle Bachmann

Since I'm a liberal and I deal in facts I'm going to point out that 3% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortions.   100% of what they do is provide necessary healthcare to people so you are right I support Planned Parenthood.   But maybe you are right when you point out the party that elected the first Black president and enjoys the support of 95% of Black people is working towards the Black holocaust.    Can you please explain why 95% of Black people support a holocaust against themselves?    You do make one honestly smart point.  I gotta give you credit.   Planned Parenthood workers are way more into killing black people than the KKK.  Perhaps you should give your little social experiment a try.   Go to Alabama and find a chapter of the KKK and see what happens.  I'm sure you will be safe.  

green23
green23

I also had never heard of Alinsky before 2008. I still have never read the book. The only people that I have ever met who have read the book are wingnuts.

However, I should point out that Kirk condemns Alinsky, and then suggests that the Republicans should follow his strategy. I guess this is what he calls "honor". It's kind of like when he criticises "bias", and then proceeds to exhibit far more bias than the person he is criticising. No, wait, that's rank hypocrisy.

Michelle Bachmann
Michelle Bachmann

That's your big proof?    Dayton missed a meeting with Republicans hence he is unstable?   So what is more crazy everyone?   Missing a meeting?   Or inviting a bigot to sully the floor of the Minnesota legislature?  

Secondly, you won't reveal your sources because you are making it up.  Or whoever you talked to is making it up.   Because you are a liar.  Like all Republicans, you lie constantly and about everything.  

Finally I feel I have to explain something to Republicans.   I have no idea who Saul Alinsky is.  I've never heard of this person.  The only people that know who Saul Alinsky is are creepy weirdos who watch Glen Beck.   I use ridicule because when I meet someone stupid and loud the only way to deal with them is ridicule.    I don't make you look silly kirk, your stupid, illogical statements do that.

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