Gay marriage ban voted down at the State Fair

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Minnesota State Fair fans are not afraid of gay marriage.
There aren't many places more heterosexual than the Minnesota State Fair: Jean shorts and sandals with socks are worn without irony; everything is fried, put on-a-stick, and fried again; and young married couples walk around with whole broods of screaming children in tow.

And even those people don't have a problem with gay marriage.

That's according to the results of the Minnesota House of Representatives State Fair Poll, which surveyed a record number of fairgoers on how they felt about a number of issues. The most dramatic finding in the survey was the question about the constitutional amendment that would ban gay marriage, which will hit the ballot on election day 2012.

If the State Fair is an accurate cross-section of Minnesota voters, then the gay marriage ban is going to go down, and go down hard.

The survey captured the feelings of 12,549 Minnesotans -- a record number for the volunteer poll, which relies on well-fed people walking up to a booth and requesting to fill out a piece of paper. Minnesota, you never cease to amaze us.

The survey's second question went like this:

2. Should the state constitution be amended to define marriage as "only a union of one man and one woman?" This question will be on the November 2012 ballot.
The answer, by a wide margin, is "No." Actually it was more like "No!"

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This is nothing to be afraid of -- now, the fried food, that you should fear.
Some 8,300 people, or 66.5 percent of those surveyed, voted against the exact language that will appear on the 2012 ballot. About 30 percent voted yes, and less than 4 percent had no opinion.

This is a bad sign for the state Republicans who, while wrangling with Mark Dayton over the budget, managed to pass through the amendment proposal that would ban gay marriage.

Speaking of the shutdown, only a couple State Fair poll questions had wider margins than the gay marriage ban amendment. One was a question asking whether the state should preserve funding levels to avoid another shutdown in "an upcoming biennium," an open-ended question which theoretically extends out forever. The answer, according to 69 percent of respondents, is yes, the state should just keep spending money and avoid a shutdown.

Are you listening, legislators? The shutdown was costly and embarrassing, and the State Fair says, "Never again."

The biggest margin of all was for the question, "Do you know who your state representative is?" An awe-inspiring 88 percent of respondents said "Yes."

Ah, Minnesota. How we love thee. 

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Mike Anthony
Mike Anthony

North Carolina may be the first to vote it down. In recent poll, 60% say they will not vote to approve the amendment there.

MaryWaterton
MaryWaterton

The liberal news media is always publishing polls that "prove" the majority of Americans support homosexual marriage. Yet, when put to a free and fair vote, it always loses ... 30 states so far, even in liberal California! The only states where it is legal ... those whose courts or legislatures rammed it through without a public referendum. That tells me the liberal news media is LYING.

Robert Williams
Robert Williams

After putting idiots like Dayton, Franken and Klobuchar in to office, why shouldn't we ban letting the people decide whether two homosexual people equal a man and a woman when it comes to an institution dedicated to procreation?

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

LET THEM MARRY!!!!

The recessive genetic gene will be reduced quickly without the aspect of phony hetero marriage driving the "gay" gene forward.    I say "recessive" because, that's just 8th grade biology.

But lets be honest, this has nothing to do with a marriage certificate.   Much to do with benefits there after.   But hey, I guess you have to get your foot in the door, then sue the insurance companies for discrimination when they deny you coverage due to admitted patterns of risky behavior.

 

Stranger
Stranger

"Jean shorts and sandals with socks are worn without irony; everything is fried, put on-a-stick, and fried again; and young married couples walk around with whole broods of screaming children in tow. "

I don't understand what any of these have to do with heterosexuality.Unless you're implying heterosexual Americans with bad fashion sense, bad diet habits and bad birth control are somehow more representative of heterosexuality than all the other heterosexuals in the world.

And this, sir, it called "ethnocentric bias".

Guest
Guest

Yet, oddly, the ban will still pass if it appears on the ballot.

People are much more comfortable expressing their bigotry in the privacy of a voting booth.

Zeroisanumber
Zeroisanumber

I'd love it if Minnesota was the first state to reject putting anti-gay bigotry into its state constitution.

jww
jww

It actually has a lot to do with voter turn-out.  So it isn't that the "liberal news media" is lying, it's that eligible voters are lazy.

inwoodguy
inwoodguy

Let's put the rights of fundamentalist Christians up to a popular vote in California too!

Christopher Walker
Christopher Walker

It isn't a fair vote because universal human rights are not supposed to be subject to a public vote in the first place, otherwise we'd vote on everything. There would be no need for legislatures, or presidents, or judges if such a system were to be. It would be shear anarchy. The initiative and referendum process is being abused by organizations like NOM. If you knew anything about history, then you would know that the "direct democracy" approach fails. Socrates was put to death by popular vote, as the public scapegoated him for a war against Sparta, which was also brought about by popular vote, bringing about the fall of Greece. Sometimes, the government is necessarily to guide society in a clear direction - a direction that hopefully benefits most of its citizens: That is called leadership. If things were left to a popular vote, then slavery would exist in the southern states [not brought about by popular vote], segregation would still be law [also not brought about by popular vote], women would still not be able to vote [see a pattern yet?], inter-racial marriage would still be illegal in states like Mississippi today [in 2011, over 60% of that state's citizens said inter-racial marriage should be banned], and Christianity would be labeled the nation's official religion [76% of Americans are Christian]; let all the minorities, outcasts, unconformists, and expressive individuals be damned. Here is a suggestion, how about you start a campaign to ban me from your state. See how far you get, and you will see how ridiculous the initiative process has become because that could probably pass.

Christopher Walker
Christopher Walker

Actually, from an historical perspective, marriage has always been a form of slavery. The ritual of marriage was always a kind of "contract" between the father and the would-be groom saying that, "I give you permission to take my daughter." You see all this expressed in the asking for a blessing, the father walking the bride down the aisle, ect... It was only recently [1920; passing of the 19th Amendment] that women were thought to be equals. It wasn't even until WWII and the feminist movement of the 1970s that women began to break the "submissive to husband" stereotype and truly be equal to men. As for the Bible, Genesis does state in 2:18 that it is not good for man "to be alone," that "God will make a helper suitable for him." Now God, who is all-knowing and the creator of all things, could be referencing the idea soulmates [which the gender is unspecific for a soulmate]. God no doubt has programmed the soulmates to be the way they are; straight or gay, as he created all things, so he also created homosexuality. In the chapters of Samuel, there was a "covenant" shared between Jonathan and David. Now the word covenant was often a substitute word for marriage throughout the Bible. David, who later became King of Israel, is a highly respected figure in Christianity and Judaism. He was also known to have polygamous marriages, as many other Biblical figures had. It is astonishing that no one on the conservative side mentions the relationship between David and Jonathan or his multiple wives because there is a quote of David actually saying that his love for Jonathan surpassed the love of women meaning that he was bisexual; having marriages to several women and a man. Now if marriage was truly an institution for procreation, then hermaphrodites, sterile couples, and couples who do not intend on having children could not qualify for those standards. Luckily, there is no litmus test on marriage saying you "have to bear children" within a certain time frame or your marriage is voided =p And, what is so wrong with gays adopting children that heterosexual couples abandoned?  At least they aren't living off of the state.

inwoodguy
inwoodguy

Great point.  Procreation is mentioned as the core of marriage in the vows of those to be wed, right?

"Do you, ____, take , ____, to be your (husband/wife), to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part. I, ____, take you, ____, to be my (husband/wife). I promise to be true to you in good times and in bad, in sickness and in health. I will love you and honor you all the days of my life."

Ooops, it's not mentioned once in the vows.

Maybe in the law?  Surely to get a marriage license, one must be certified as "fertile" and be required to procreate in order for the marriage to be legitimate.

Oops, nope.

Next, you're going to be telling me that the whole "procreation" thing is just a BS argument made up by haters who are desperate to see gay people excluded from society again... such cynicism!

jww
jww

You seem really smart, Robert.  Run for office.

Michelle Bachmann
Michelle Bachmann

People like you are such monsters.   I hope it makes you happy to use the government to keep human beings you've never met from being happy.   Do you smile a little smile every time a gay man isn't allowed to visit the love of his life on his deathbed in a hospital?    The Christian Right in this country makes me sick that you think keeping people from being happy is more important than feeding starving children.  Just imagine if we took all the labor and money the Religious Right wastes in this country on fucking with gay people and used it instead to feed starving children.   I guess its more important that the freakish closet cases that make up the religious right show everyone just how much they hate gays instead of feeding dying children.  Jesus must be so proud.  I remember reading in the Bible all the time about how much Jesus hated people that weren't like him and told his followers to devote their lives to hating and screwing their fellow man over.  You are such a good person with your heart of hate Robert.    Also marriage wasn't dedicated to procreation.  It was a property transaction.   Ever since its inception as something people do its evolved and changed over the years. 

jww
jww

Wait a second...I thought you said that being gay is a lifestyle choice?  Don't you remember?  How could it be genetic, Kirk?  Wasn't it you who said that gay children choose " to take on a lifestyle in which GREATLY (sic) increased their chances of getting aids"?  This seems very inconsistent.  Plus..they're teaching about homosexuality in 8th grade biology?  Holy shit!  I'll trust you on that, since I'm pretty sure 8th grade is the highest level of education that you have achieved.  And don't be modest about it...8th grade ain't easy.  Shit, they start putting letters in math equations in 8th grade.  LETTERS!  Man, I've seen that hell with my own two eyes.  I bet they didn't even have Wikipedia when you were in 8th grade.  You are a champion and an inspiration.  Someone contact Hollywood.

green23
green23

The last poll that I saw (PPP 6/3) showed the public split 47/46. Consider also that on an amendment, the voter is counted as "No" if they don't specifically vote on that amendment.

The only polling showing that the amendment would prevail is sketchy. The single poll was sponsored by the people pushing the amendment and no methodology (RV, sample size, MOE, etc.) was ever released.

All reliable polling shows a steady drop in opposition to same-sex marriage. Even if the amendment passes, it would be repealed within five years. None of the horrors predicted by NOM have come to pass in any State that has allowed SSM.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Yes, you queers have taught me well.Homosexually is truly a recessive genetic defect, and I prescribe "marriage" as a cure.How about we all get together and have a "walk for the cure".Proceeds can go towards paying for gay marriages, thus eliminating gay/hetero phony marriages, and children being born with this passed along genetic defect. 

----------------------A copy and paste from a sister-

After years of close observation, I may have now uncovered the true intentions of gay activists: To silence, demote or excommunicate any individual who dares to disagree with the unbridled promotion of homosexuality and gay marriage. It is often difficult to determine gay activists' true intentions since, from the beginning, most have been less than honest about their goals or the facts...

jww
jww

Also, you ignored answering any of my questions...as usual...

jww
jww

Guess what, Kirk?  I'm not gay.  I'm not all that liberal, either.  I'm not a Democrat.  I also didn't choose to be straight...that's just the way I am.  If you contend that being gay is a "lifestyle choice" and you are choosing to be straight...you probably are not straight.  There was no point in my life where I chose to like girls.  That's just the way it turned out.  And, as most straight men know, liking girls can be torture...and it is a torture that all straight men suffer through.  There were times in my adolescence where I probably would have sold my soul just to touch a boob...and I suspect that is a world you have never known.  I've had sex with women, for free, and I liked it.  I continue to like having sex with women for free.  I bet that is a world you have never known either.You are an inconsistent fraud.  You are a charlatan of epic proportions.  You are queer in the deepest way.     

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