Poll: Klobuchar "close to unbeatable," Franken solid

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Though their support for PIPA angered some, our senators appear to be in very good political shape.
Apparently the PIPA debacle hasn't significantly hurt the political fortunes of Al Franken or Amy Klobuchar.

A new Public Policy Polling poll conducted over last weekend concludes that Klobuchar will be very tough to beat this year. Franken's favorable numbers, while weaker than Klobuchar's, indicate more Minnesotans approve of him than don't.

It looks like it may be difficult for Republicans to wrest control of either of Minnesota's senate seats from Democrats anytime soon, though Franken still has a couple more years before the 2014 election for PIPA-style missteps.

The poll found that Klobuchar has a 61 percent approval rating, with only 28 percent of voters disapproving of her. There are only five sitting senators with higher approval ratings.

As expected, she has the near unanimous support of Democrats, and she's also supported by nearly 60 percent of independents. More surprisingly, she actually has 32 percent approval from Republicans, indicating strong bi-partisan appeal.

Franken's approval rating clocks in at 49 percent, but only 39 percent of voters disapprove. Those numbers represent "above average numbers for a Senator in a political climate marked by a very unhappy electorate," the poll summary notes.

And, finally, in a total non-surprise, the poll found that Franken and Klobuchar crush Michele Bachmann and Tim Pawlenty in every hypothetical matchup pitting one of the Democracts against one of the Republican.

Klobuchar vs. Pawlenty, this November? Franken vs. Bachmann in 2014? That'd be a lot of fun -- but not for Republicans.

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Ge
Ge

She's no Wellstone.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

1,000 days. That’s how long it’s been since Senate Democrats decided to pass a budget.Kinda pathetic, right? It’s a complete dereliction of duty, and it should never stand.Instead they decide to tromp ALL OVER your rights.  It show what's important to your senators.

STAND UP FOOLS!TAKE BACK YOUR PARTY!!!

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Would you expect anything remotely "logical" when it comes to a Democrat's voting tendency?

Kinda like the "abused wife syndrome.""I know he smacks me around and verbally abuses me, but I just can't leave him because I love him."And thus we are left with a party of self infliction.

BTW, did you all know the democrat controlled Senate HAS NOT passed a federal budget in 1000 days?   And the Senate has been controlled by Democrats for ALL of that 1000 days.The Senate is required to pass a budget EVERY YEAR.  No wonder people like Al and Amy trample all over your rights, they don't respect the Senates own laws.

WAKE UP!TAKE BACK YOUR PARTY!

Mark Gisleson
Mark Gisleson

Given that one Minnesotan out of 100 could maybe name one [1] bill Klobuchar's sponsored, I think it's a safe bet to say that her popularity benefits from the Minnesota Republican party's massive fail on almost every front.

And sadly, the DFL's hopelessly antiquated and remarkably regressive endorsement process makes it hard for anyone to challenge Klobuchar from the left (which would be about 90% of the state's Democrats).

Michelle Bachmann
Michelle Bachmann

No one is a Wellstone.  He was one of a kind.  He's the whole reason I got into politics.  He was a great person.

green23
green23

Kirk wrote:"Would you expect anything remotely "logical" when it comes to a Democrat's voting tendency?"

From the article:"she's also supported by nearly 60 percent of independents. More surprisingly, she actually has 32 percent approval from Republicans"

So, what happened to the whole "Will of The People" concept that you were ranting on about for months on end? Is that only valid when conservatives win? Nearly a third of *your own Party* want Klobuchar, genius.

It seems to to me that "The People" are quite ready to re-elect Klobuchar (and Franken in 2014), but you go off on a rant that seems to conclude that "The People" are stupid and need to "wake up". That's so odd, because you've been telling us that "The Will of The People" is sacred, and that anyone who ignores it will go down in flames. Aren't you ignoring it?

Interesting to also note that 57% of Minnesotans think that Bachmann should not run for the House again, with 20% of Republicans saying that, too. And 51% of Minnesotans say that they would not support Pawlenty if he ran for statewide office in the future. 15% of Republicans and 52% of Independents agree.

green23
green23

 The endorsement process is the de facto primary, as I'm sure you know. It's far from ideal,  but the *primary* process is very open. It's so open, in fact, that we are seeing fake Democrats run in the primaries. In 2008, we saw a virtual Republican (Priscilla Lord Faris) run against Franken. This year, we have a hard-core wingnut (Boisclair) running against Ellison in the *Democratic* primary: virulently anti-Muslim, wildly anti-choice, wants to eliminate Medicare, SS, etc.

The MN Republican Party primary process is too closed, so fringe candidates (such as LaRouche) have been forced to run as putative "Democrats" in the more open Democratic primaries.

None of this matters in the big picture, because (as you point out) the *endorsement* process really determines the candidate. And that process is as closed as the Republican *primary* process is.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

What fails are you talking about?

I'll give you time.Failing on "almost every front" could take a while to list.

Mark Gisleson
Mark Gisleson

And that is the classic DFL response to any challenge: Eek! The Fake Democrats are coming! the Fake Democrats are coming!

A caucus is 1000% more impervious to fake candidates than a primary, and the DFL is bound by the primary results. The endorsement is simply the excuse that lets party power brokers hang on to their delegate credentials year after year after year. The DFL refuses to break down the data on the delegates because that information would make it painfully clear how grandfathered in the long-term activists are.

Your chances of becoming a delegate to the state convention (the only place where your statewide endorsement vote actually counts) are slim and none. It's an elitist process that's brilliant when used to recruit party workers, but painfully incestuous when the delegates are given actual power.

In Iowa, caucus delegates don't have to worry about candidates ringing their phone off the hook because the state convention isn't held until AFTER the primary. Minnesota's endorsement then primary model is inherently corrupt and profoundly antidemocratic and Amy Klobuchar is a classic example of the kind of low-wattage, big smile empty suits this system elects.

Michelle Bachmann
Michelle Bachmann

Locally the Pawlenty adminstration is considered a failure.  Tim ruled like a tyrant on the budget refusing to compromise like Republicans nationally do.   He refused to raise taxes on rich people while stealing money from the schools and increasing everyone's property taxes.  More recently the Republican Party of Minnesota embarrassed themselves by being in debt.  Why would anyone take seriously a political party that put the failed burrito baron in charge?    The only things the Republicans have accomplished in their two years in charge of the Legislature is downgrading Minnesota's credit while passing the unpopular anti gay people amendment.  The other accomplishment of course was the Amy Koch sex scandal which involved not one but two Republican leaders.    Inviting a bigot like Bradlee Dean to speak in front of the House was pretty embarrassing too.  Do you really need more or are you going to fuck off you stupid troll.    I know you are a coward kirk but if you think Repbulicans are doing such a bang up job I will gladly bet you again.   If Amy wins reelection you have to go away and never post again.   If she loses, I will go away.   I will also take this bet for President Obama, you can have whatever Republican ass clown you idiots nominate.   Take the bet or are you a coward?  I know its not $10,000 like you Republicans like to bet but I'm part of the 99%.    I know you won't take it because deep down in your lying idiot brain you know Obama is a great President and Amy is a good Senator.

green23
green23

 Mark wrote:"And that is the classic DFL response to any challenge"

What "challenge"? I was agreeing with you.

The endorsed candidate *always* wins the DFL primary. There is no caucus for any race other than the Presidential; the rest of the races are primaries. So I'm not sure how caucuses being 1000% more impervious to fake candidates is relevant to my remarks about Republicans running in the DFL primaries.

Just because the primaries are open to virtually anyone does not mean that virtually anyone can *win*. That's the distinction I think you are missing. As I said, the endorsed candidate always wins, and that endorsement process is *locked up*.

I also fail to understand how the delegate selection process or the endorsement process has anything to do with how easy it is for anyone to *run* in the primaries.

"Your chances of becoming a delegate to the state convention (the only place where your statewide endorsement vote actually counts) are slim and none."

Where did I say otherwise?

The Presidential caucus and the statewide primaries are two very different things.

"The DFL refuses to break down the data on the delegates because that information would make it painfully clear how grandfathered in the long-term activists are."

The names of the delegates from the 2008 MN Convention are here:

www. thegreenpapers. com/P08/MN-D.phtml

But those are the names for the MN delegates to the National Convention.

I'm really confused as to what exactly you are taking issue with. Should Democrats have better choices? Hell, yes. Is Klobuchar my dream candidate? Hell, no. Does this have anything to with the Presidential caucus? I fail to see how. Can virtually anyone with a name get on the ballot for the statewide Senate race? Yes. Can they actually win against the endorsed candidate? Not a chance.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

"ruled like a tyrant onthe budget refusing to compromise" Like Dayton?  Shutting down the government on the 4th of July.  Make the people suffer, because I want my way.

"The only things the Republicans have accomplished in their two years in charge of the Legislature"Wow PMB, how your mind works.    The election was in November of 2010.  They were sworn in last January.  They have only been in charge of the legislature for one year.   Meds please!

" If Amy wins reelection you have to go away and never post again"Ha, not likely sport...  I love causing you anguish.

"I will also take this bet for President Obama"Me too!   I love how he took on congress last night and told the likes of Nancy Pelosi there will not be anymore insider trading of stocks among members of congress.  I also love him for wanting to drill in our national parks for natural gas.  "drill baby drill, and frack it up baby.

green23
green23

 PPP's June poll also showed that Republicans have lost their state-wide edge for the Legislature. Democrats are now favored 49/40.

We can probably expect another release tomorrow that confirms this. PPP likes to break up their results and release them over the course of a few days.

It's better that Kirk remains delusional, arrogant, and over-confident. Republicans think that 2010 meant that 70% of the country is in the Tea Party, but the Independents have abandoned them. 2010 was never a mandate to beat up "liberals", but that's all the Republicans have done - and few outside of the Republican base like that. This polling is the handwriting on the wall proving that "over-reach" has consequences.

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