Voter ID advances to House floor

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During today's committee hearing, Dean quickly called for a vote on the photo ID proposal...
A constitutional amendment requiring voters to show photo ID when casting their ballots is headed to the House floor.

Today, the House Rules Committee approved the proposed amendment in a 13-9 party-line vote. A companion bill is pending in the Senate Rules Committee.

If approved by the full House and Senate, the following question would be put to voters this November: "Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to require all voters to present valid photo identification on election day and that the state provide free identification to eligible voters?"

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... putting an end to Thissen's questioning about how the ID requirement would impact absentee voters.
The Star Tribune characterized today's committee debate as "tense and abridged." Minority Leader Paul Thissen, D-Minneapolis, raised concerns about how absentee and military voters could be expected to present photo ID. He said he's concerned "we have voted to disenfranchise our folks serving overseas."

But Majority Leader Matt Dean, R-Dellwood, cut Thissen off and forced a vote. In response, Thissen told Dean that "on a vote to suppress voting, it's interesting you're suppressing debate."

If approved by the legislature, the proposed amendment bypasses Gov. Dayton and goes directly to voters. Democrats have asked Republicans to delay advancing the amendment until lawmakers consider a DFL-supported alternative that wouldn't require ID but would require voters to have a picture of themselves taken at a polling place, but today's vote indicates Republicans aren't interested in electronic "poll books."

Previous coverage:
-- Minnesota Majority uncovers evidence of voter impersonation, claims ACLU's $1,000 bounty
-- Minnesota ACLU places $1,000 bounty on voter-impersonatin' "rascals"
-- Minnesota Majority scrubs race-baiting imagery from website
-- Minnesota Majority, pro-voter ID group, blasted for using race-baiting imagery
-- Keith Ellison on voter ID approval: "Today is a sad day for democracy"
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Dave2
Dave2

Kirk says:  "State I.D. cards are VERY easy to obtain in Minnesota."

Tell me again then what good they are for voter ID.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Systematic disenfranchisement of those serving in our military has been practiced by some in the democrat party for years.  In the extremely close 2000 presidential election, the Gore campaign and its lawyers attempted to steal the presidential contest by disenfranchising Florida military voters with hyper technicalities.   (remember that)

Six million American citizens abroad were qualified to vote in the 2008 Presidential election. It is estimated that one-fourth of all military votes were not counted. At least, 98,000 lost military ballots were mailed back to the U.S. but not counted.   (remember that) 

The Democrats have had endless attempts to disenfranchise military voters in the past ten years and this has been well documented.  They claim technicalities to throw out military votes.

Hell, even Adolph Hitler and Mickey Mouse votes was counted in a recent recall petition. 

Must be the political affiliation of the fictitious voter... 

Jody
Jody

Let's all agree on one thing.  People who cannot get a valid ID are Illegal Immigrants.  FACT.

AH
AH

Oh, undocumented immigrants can get valid, state issued IDs fairly easily, as can felons (who aren't supposed to vote). This is a solution in search of a problem.

Jody
Jody

Well, then you just made a case for Voter ID's................

wittnotyoyo
wittnotyoyo

Is a Voter ID different than a valid ID?  If people who can't vote can so easily get a valid picture ID then what does showing it before voting prove?  Your logic is a little twisted around, straighten it out and see you're making the case against this voter ID amendment.

Jody
Jody

And for those of you who are against this amendment, can I ask you one thing?  If requiring a photo ID to vote is so "wrong" in your minds, then, according to your logic, we should not require a photo ID for purchasing a firearm.  Because if requiring a photo ID "disenfranchises" certain people from voting (a Constitutional Right), then requiring a photo ID would also disenfranchise certain people from buying a firearm (a Constitutional Right).

And I am VERY sure that ALL of you would have peace of mind knowing that anyone....ANYONE.... could purchase a firearm without any ID at all.  See how your logic works?    

TwoPuttTommy
TwoPuttTommy

***" according to your logic, we should not require a photo ID for purchasing a firearm. "***

What part of "well regulated" don't you understand?

And in case you didn't notice, it does NOT say "well regulated" in the part that covers voting.

As to all the RWNJ allegations of massive voter fraud, it's interesting that the GOP Attorney handling the Franken-Coleman recount case didn't claim any.  In fact, here's what he told the Minnesota Supreme Court:

"There is no evidence of fraud in this election." #MNGOP Attorney Joel Friedberg to MN Supreme Court http://t.co/BWmPWUM2

Who to believe?  RWNJ's claiming fraud, or the GOP Attorney answering a question at the State Supreme Court?

Reasonable people have no reason to believe anything a Republican says today.

Jody
Jody

"They're worried that could mean absentee voters or military personnel might be kept from voting if they can't somehow show a photo ID" Last I checked it's pretty damn hard to get in a military installation or base without your issued military ID. So that takes care of the military part, and in order to be absentee I would assume you would have needed a photo ID to fly somewhere, a passport if you are outside of the USA, or a driver's license to have driven somewhere. 

I think they are worried about something else, like the same bus full of people showing up at 20 different voting centers suddenly getting busted.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

There are like 11 states that require Photo ID to vote.What, didn't your media tell you that?

See here - http: // www. ncsl. org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id-state-requirements. aspx(pull out the spaces in the link)

Hmm, that just poses the question; have you been brainwashed, or are you just dumb?

East Coast Doug
East Coast Doug

You need an ID to drive, you need an ID to cash a check, you need an ID to purchase alcohol or tabacco products, you need an ID to get on a plane. 

I'd like to know who are these people who don't have ID's?  If they can't get their act together to get an ID - they're too dumb to vote!

green23
green23

It costs about $50 to get an out of state birth certificate. The free ID doesn't include that.

A stay at home mom who doesn't cash the family checks and doesn't drive, and who doesn't have $50 to spare would be one of those people.

East Coast Doug
East Coast Doug

Do these people live under a rock?

OK - the lady doesn't drive (how do they get groceries?), never goes out, doesn't have any ID - I wonder how many cell phones they have and do they have cable or Direct TV?

Jody
Jody

And that equals about 10 women...............

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

The headline should be:"Democrats don't like democracy!!!!"or"Democrats don't want the voter to have a vote!!!!"

It's plain and simple; Democrats in the house and senate don't want the poor to have state ID cards.  The Republican's bill would buy EVERYONE a State photo ID cardI mean, can you think of a better way to keep someone down?  Deny them a basic piece of identity.  

Mn Voter
Mn Voter

"on a vote to suppress voting, it's interesting you're suppressing debate." When they can't deflect, they surpress. It's the Pubby code!!!

webcelt
webcelt

Of course Republicans aren't interested in electronic poll books. It would solve the alleged impersonation problem without disenfranchising anyone who can't get a photo ID. Disenfranchisement apparently is a feature, not a bug. So let's lock 20th century technology into the constitution.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Why would someone not be able to get an ID?The Republican's bill would buy everyone who doesn't have one a state ID card.

Don't you want the poor to have a state photo ID card?How will the elderly get their narcotics from the pharmacy without a ID?How will the young homeless guy buy booze?You must hate the poor webcalt.

Oh BTW, Democrats Mark Ritchie and Mark Dayton have proposed Voter ID plans of their own.  Which PROVES voter fraud is and has been a problem.  It appears everyone is up to date on this issue except YOU. 

webcelt
webcelt

As Republicans have implemented photo ID in other states, the problem with free IDs is they turn out to not be free. Every state has required a birth certificate, which people born before they were standard often don't have. Married women find their certificates rejected because they changed their names. In real life as opposed to Republican wishful thinking, legitimate voters are --- not could be, are --- being turned away with the voting rights gone. Far from removing barriers to getting ID, Republicans added them. Your intentions might be good and you may trust that Republicans will do it right, but based on their record, I have no such trust.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

In many states that added voter ID laws, turnout by voters has went up.Explain that.

Your rhetoric is tired and regurgitated.  It has been used in the past by people in other states.  

Jody
Jody

And Duh.....you say the people who typically don't have ID's vote for Democrats.

Do you have any facts to back up that statement?

Jody
Jody

It is a fact that voter fraud is NOT a widespread problem....HOWEVER, I totally support this amendment because it protects the integrity of our voting system.  And anyone who is against that, in my opinion, should not be able to vote at all.

Note: In Mexico, in order to vote, you have to show a government-issued voter ID card that  includes your photo AS WELL AS your fingerprint.  I don't hear Mexicans whining about that.......

Jody
Jody

Hurdy: And our Government isn't corrupt?  Really?  LOL!!

Duh...
Duh...

 We had 150 years of voting before we even had the technology for photo IDs. This is gonna end up in the courts. You know, states had other methods popular with the public to shut certain people out of voting. They were called poll taxes and intelligence tests. If there isn't rampant voter fraud then why are we doing this? Wait, I get it, the people who typically don't have IDs vote for Democrats. Why is this so hard for some people to see?

HurdyGurdy
HurdyGurdy

Yes, because in Mexico the government runs much more smoothly than ours. It's not like anyone has ever heard of Mexican government being one of the most corrupt in the world or anything . . .but that 's probably right up your alley, seeing as you'd prefer that people who disagree with you not vote at all.

Mn Voter
Mn Voter

lol, oh kirk. so misguided. but your passion is not to be questioned!

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

 Why would you lie about such a thing?Could you tell me where I'm "Misguided"?In fact, please do!  Then I can slap you all with pages of legislation, testimony, and facts.hilarity will ensue... 

Jody
Jody

And who exactly are these people who can't get a valid picture ID?

webcelt
webcelt

 What makes you think the number is 10? How many disenfranchised people is enough for you to acknowledge a problem? Why can't we just use the electronic poll books to solve the photo problem while avoiding disenfranchisement?

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Wait what?A month or two ago, you and many here said their was not a "problem" with voter fraud.  Holy 180 batman.It hurts when your own peeps prove the lies they have been feeding you were just that, lies.  Did you guys find your former ignorance to be bliss? 

green23
green23

The majority are elderly women who never drove, and whose husbands handled "business matters".

Their original birth records have been lost over the decades in court-house fires, floods, or just plain became illegible.

Others are women who changed their name when they were married and those records are now gone.

green23
green23

Kirk: here in the U.S. you need a certified birth certificate to get a U.S. passport. Check your facts, champ. Interestingly, the voter ID law doesn't accept passports to vote. Are you seriously suggesting that U.S. citizens should get Morroccan passports if they want to vote?

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Bullsh*t!My Ex-wife, some of her siblings like her sister Ibtisam, and her cousins, all received State ID cards when they came to visit their brother Fouad who lived here in Minnesota.  Fouad had simply gone to the DMV with them, and said they now lived with him.The truth was they were only here on a week or two of vacation, and were not even U.S. citizens.  They did this with nothing more than a passport.  Their home country of Morocco does not commonly issue certificates of birth.State I.D. cards are VERY easy to obtain in Minnesota.

Check your facts champ...

Jody
Jody

OK, so that equals about 10 women.....who are the rest?

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