Bradlee Dean attacks Dan Savage for calling parts of the Bible "bullshit"

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Bradlee Dean managed to link Dan Savage to Barack Obama and the North American Man/Boy Love Association this week
Bradlee Dean is on the offensive again, launching a vicious and inane attack on Dan Savage for being critical of the Bible.

Savage spoke to high school students recently and talked about how it's possible to "ignore the bullshit" in the Bible about gay people "the same way we have learned to ignore the bullshit in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery, about dinner, about farming, about menstruation, about virginity, about masturbation," Savage said. "We ignore bullshit in the Bible about all sorts of things."

That prompted Dean to write an editorial, "Deranged Dan Savage at war with God," where he criticizes Savage as a "bully," accuses him of "licking doorknobs," and blasts Barack Obama for hiring "over 225 homosexuals and transvestites" in the federal government, "including Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan, who 'queerified' Harvard."

Dean goes off on Savage for "bullying" Christian high school students in a speech, claiming it was hypocritical of Savage, who runs the "It Gets Better" project aimed at raising awareness against bullying.

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Dan Savage said we can ignore the Bible's "bullshit" about gay people
That segued into a brief rant on "Barack Hussein Obama" -- right-wingers' favored way to "link" Obama to "Muslims," and, presumably, terrorists -- where he blasts the President for making an "It Gets Better" video for gay youth. Obama, Dean suggests, is soft on child pornography, the North American Man-Boy Love Association, and gay people.

Keep in mind this is the same president who overlooked the investigation into the Pentagon (5,000 Pentagon employees were investigated for child pornography), who appointed over 225 homosexuals and transvestites into key positions in government (including Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan, who "queerified" Harvard), and who appointed as a safe-schools czar Kevin Jennings who wrote the forward to a book entitled "Queerifying Elementary Education." Jennings' hero was Harry Hay, an icon for NAMBLA (North American Man and Boy Love Association) whose motto is "Sex before 8 before it's too late" when marching in gay-pride parades.

The rest of Dean's rant is equally outrageous and entertaining: Dean blasts Savage for saying, in 2006, that he thinks about "fucking the shit out of [Rick] Santorum," and says gay rights are about "promiscuity."

Of course, Dan Savage wasn't launching an attack on all of Christianity when he spoke to high school students recently. He was pointing out the problem of cherry-picking from the Bible to justify your political positions, in this case a reference to people who justify anti-gay beliefs by citing scripture. From a transcript of the relevant passages:

The Bible. We'll just talk about the Bible for a second. People often point out that they can't help it -- they can't help with the anti-gay bullying, because it says right there in Leviticus, it says right there in Timothy, it says right there in Romans, that being gay is wrong.

We can learn to ignore the bulls**t in the Bible about gay people. The same way, the same way we have learned to ignore the bulls**t in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery, about dinner, about farming, about menstruation, about virginity, about masturbation. We ignore bulls**t in the Bible about all sorts of things. The Bible is a radically pro-slavery document. Slave owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War and justified it. The shortest book in the New Testament is a letter from Paul to a Christian slave owner about owning his Christian slave. And Paul doesn't say "Christians don't own people." Paul talks about how Christians own people.

We ignore what the Bible says about slavery, because the Bible got slavery wrong. Tim -- uh, Sam Harris, in A Letter To A Christian Nation, points out that the Bible got the easiest moral question that humanity has ever faced wrong. Slavery. What're the odds that the Bible got something as complicated as human sexuality wrong? One hundred percent.

The Bible says that if your daughter's not a virgin on her wedding night -- if a woman isn't a virgin on her wedding night, she shall be dragged to her father's doorstep and stoned to death. Callista Gingrich lives. And there is no effort to amend state constitutions to make it legal to stone women to death on their wedding night if they're not virgins. At least not yet. We don't know where the GOP is going these days.

People are dying because people can't clear this one last hurdle. They can't get past this one last thing in the Bible about homosexuality.

Um, one other thing I wanna talk about is -- [chuckles] -- so, you can tell the Bible guys in the hall that they can come back now, because I'm done beating up the Bible. It's funny, as someone who's on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible, how pansy-assed some people react when you push back. I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings. But. I have a right to defend myself. And to point out the hypocrisy of people who justify anti-gay bigotry by pointing to the Bible, and insisting we must live by the code of Leviticus on this one issue and no other.

Of course, Savage's remarks have been controversial amongst the chattering classes -- even some liberals and gay people are critical of Savage's remarks -- but it's fair to say Dean isn't engaging in much of an intellectual discourse here. Then again, nobody turns to the tracksuit-wearing homophobe for intellectual discourse.

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Drewl
Drewl

Seriously, quit trying to sound smart. Your public display of foolishness is shameful, and you're obviously a troll. So, I'm not sure why I'm taking time out my day to explain this, but I am.

The easiest answer to your questions is: There aren't tons of Islams attempting to work their religion into the American constitution. They have worked it in elsewhere in the world, and as far as I know, there are no leftist liberals in America who think governments ran by Sharia Law are a good thing.

Liberals support Muslims in America who are prosecuted for minding their own business, largely because they are perceived as being "different" or "dangerous." Our government isn't parading around trying to force Islam on anyone, but they sure as hell are cramming Christianity down our throats. I believe religion in general is a crutch for people who are too weak to find peace within themselves and serves as a silly excuse to start wars. There is no religion that is inherently better, and there are no atheist lefties I know who would ever believe that to be true.

Also, there are NO Christians being prosecuted just for who they are. Bachmann?!? Bachmann IS bat-shit-crazy, and politics isn't, and never was, a place to talk about or push your personal religious beliefs. We (speaking as most fellow liberals) will defend the rights provided to American citizens under the constitution, as for your personal religious beliefs and rules, keep them to yourself and you will be respected for doing so. 

Brother Ali = Entertainment figure. Michele Bachmann = politician. As much as those lines have been blurred these days, they are still RADICALLY different roles. Furthermore, Brother Ali isn't going around spewing hate and trying to get politicians to enact Islamic law, or any law, for that matter.

Point and case: "But when Muslim women are forced to cover their heads (and sometimes faces), when the penalty of homosexuality in Islam is death by stoning, when anyone who does not bow down to Islam is considered an "infidel" and the penalty is beheading, the Liberals are the first ones to advocate their "rights" here in America."

NO one in America is advocating the "rights" of people to stone homosexuals or behead those who do not kneel before them (if you know of anyone doing so, please name a source). The closest thing you will find in our political system to this is conservative Christians who think it's ok to persecute women and homosexuals in the name of the holy bible.

Your big mistake here is your gross misinterpretation of the Islamic culture and the difference between Muslim extremists and Muslim-Americans. Liberals never have and never will defend the rights of Muslim extremists who believe homosexuals should be killed.

You're argument sucks. Try thinking before you speak next time.

JonnyRockstar1234
JonnyRockstar1234

It's ironic that Republicans that practice Christianity are so for protecting the wealth fo the elite yet the Bible quite clearly states that no debt shall be paid.  

My View
My View

Two extremists with a cause that advocates tolerance being intolerant.  Tsk.  Agree with them or disagree, you can't deny they make poor role models for their cause.

What happened to dignity, restraint, respect for each other?  Not to mention being able to "walk the talk."

Fie on them both.

This divisive style is jammin' the frequency.

richard garyson
richard garyson

I don't care about Dan Savage or his opinions (to which he is entitled). The issue here is that this event was likely funded by tax-payers, and specifically, as a tax-payer, I resent being forced to pay for an event in which the speaker denigrates my beliefs in an incredibly hypocritical rant. How does a man, who has dedicated his life to being an anti-bully, justify his bullying of others? Are Christians okay to bully? If so, then why is not okay to bully homosexuals or anyone else whom one chooses not to like? Should we not be teaching children that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, beliefs, and lifestyles, and that merely disagreeing with someone does not justify being mean, cruel, or violent towards them? Believe it or not, it is possible to be opposed to homosexuality and still be kind and friendly towards homosexuals, just as it is possible to be a Christian and be kind and friendly towards atheists. In fact, it is expected that throughout life, it will be far more common to meet people with whom we share disagreements. And yet, it is expected that we behave in a civil and friendly manner. An exception to this, however, seems to be with homosexuals. Homosexuals are permitted to be as hateful, viscous, and disrespectful towards anyone who does not applaud the gay lifestyle. While political correctness often forces people to publicly accept homosexuality, I can tell you that the homosexual hypocrisy does not go unnoticed. In private, homosexuals are despised, and not necessary for their personal sexual habits, which is probably hard-wired from birth, but for their public displays of hatred and intolerance.

dancing skeleton
dancing skeleton

City Pages: Please answer me why you exploit the controversy of Dan Savage & publish his column & yet no matter how I try I can't find any actual link to his column (which you publish & exploit weekly) on your web site? WTF?>

Brian
Brian

Your party, yes. I'm going by your POV which appears to be decidedly conservative. If I am wrong, I apologize. But, regardless, your response is a dodge and you did not even attempt to refute what I have just written.

And, once again, to make loan of your cliched phrase: just saying.

swmnguy
swmnguy

Pretty sad to see how desperate Bradlee Dean is for attention.  His frivolous lawsuit against Rachel Maddow is pathetic enough (Pro Tip-when somebody quotes you, it isn't libel).  Now he's trying to aggrandize himself by attacking Dan Savage?  At least Dan Savage helps people.  Bradlee Dean is all about his own ego.  Heck, if you judge by behavior, most Christians would identify Savage as the Christian, and Dean as a charlatan.

Decievious Leroy Johnston Jr.
Decievious Leroy Johnston Jr.

This Dean guy is obviously a moron, but I have a question for you Liberals who are anti-Christian:

Why is it when anyone makes any sort of reference to their Christian beliefs (especially if they are white, aka Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, etc.), you automatically label them as "Bible-Thumpers" or "Jesus Freaks", yet it is perfectly acceptable to you when, for example, Keith Ellison or "Brother Ali" makes reference to their Islamic beliefs and defends Islamic (Sharia) Law?  

So basically what you are saying is that you abhor the "violent, barbaric, and 'out-of-touch with modern society' " Holy Bible and anyone who believes in it, yet you are more than happy to defend and celebrate those who believes in Islam and it's "Modern, Democratic, Pro-Women, Pro Homosexual, Peace-Loving" ideology?  

Pardon my French, but you are a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

Just Saying.   

Jason Dorweiler
Jason Dorweiler

I could care less about this article, but Dan Savage always brings an entertaining read. Thank you.

Yup!
Yup!

Religion: the most destructive weapon of mass destruction ever invented by man. 

George
George

Dean vs. Savage? Now thats a PPV cat fight I'd pay good money to see.

truckload_bear
truckload_bear

Bradlee, please suck a cock. You know you want to. Once you do maybe you'll STFU and be happy.  In the meantime ponder this: Why are you defending slavery?

Erica
Erica

Dean needs to be ignored plain and simple. Everything he says and does screams of attention just like the whackos in the Westboro Baptist Church.

Tim
Tim

That guy is just desperate for attention.

Drewl
Drewl

This was supposed to be a response to the deranged "Decievious Leroy Johnston Jr." a few posts below.

JonnyRockstar1234
JonnyRockstar1234

 you sir are a nob.  Tax payers money, pays for a lot of things - it pays for the idiotic Republican's who refuse to sanction abortions laws, but are willing to send millions off to fight in a war that will kill many more innocent people (killing is killing no?), support financial institutions with bail out money (what no free market?), willing to support big business with government welfare (what no freemarket), and also refuse a good life to those who are entitled to it (selective rights?). 

Brian
Brian

Fair enough, no more bullying. Does that mean that you are fine with same-sex marriage? It doesn't have to be in a church, just the legal right for same-sex couples to be married. You talk about hatred and intolerance but when certain segments of the Far Right wish to reinstate anti-sodomy laws and bar gay men and women from marrying that seems to go beyond what you call bullying. "Homosexual hypocrisy" would be something along the lines of repealing the religion clause in the 1st amendment. No one is attempting to make your personal life illegal. 

So, why not let people be free to marry and then you can go home and pray and fume about it in private? It will forever be your cherished right. 

ludwigtr
ludwigtr

It's really easy to sit on a soap box and tell everyone how the way they act in an effort to defend themselves because they are constantly attacked is wrong, especially when you're not in a socially "despised"(your word, not mine) minority that is not subject to the same human rights as other groups.

Your religion forces Christmas and other Pagan holidays on me, but if I complain that nothing is open on easter sunday because everyone is given the day off to spend time with their family yet I can't spend time with my family on my religious holidays because this country won't recognize my religion like they do yours, I'm "waging a war on christianity" and "intolerant" and "don't belong here"

also your comment

"Believe it or not, it is possible to be opposed to homosexuality and still be kind and friendly towards homosexuals"

is mildly contrary to

"homosexuals are despised, and not necessary for their personal sexual habits, which is probably hard-wired from birth, but for their public displays of hatred and intolerance."

Seems like it should be possible, but apparently not for most people...

Decievious Leroy Johnston Jr.
Decievious Leroy Johnston Jr.

I am not refuting anything that you say.  Again, my initial attack was not against people like you.  Like you said, you believe that Islam and Christianity are basically the same thing, but written in a different language.  And I agree!  I am only making a point about how some Liberals feel that Muslims deserve "special rights" and that they have a right to speak (and act, and live) according to their religion, yet, somehow Michelle Bachmann has no right to speak, and act, and live according to her's. That is the definition of hypocrisy, my friend.     

Brian
Brian

Very good point. As Kurt Vonnegut once said: "The difference between me and a Christian is that I can behave decently without the expectation of rewards or punishments after death." 

Brian
Brian

Nice try. But, I guess your generalizing makes the whole thinking thing easier for you. Religion is BS. Sharia Law is basically the same stuff you find in Joshua, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Exodus, etc. However, I understand that it makes you feel better to just repeat what Fox News tells you to repeat. I am liberal and I denounce all of it. Islam, Christianity, whatever--it's all just a primitive way for primitive minded peoples to rationalize the world. Honestly, I'm surprised that zealots from the various camps don't get along. They all have essentially the same objective.

Just saying. 

Stephanie Brown
Stephanie Brown

Point taken, but taking up arms against Christianity isn't going to solve a damn thing. Just because there are ignorant judgemental dickhead Christians (of which exist in every community possible these days) doesn't mean we should make it an us v. them battle. The minute we stereotype religion or Christian folk then we're doing exactly what we're pissed at Dean for. These days are filled with far too much fucking judgement. We need to love people again, mind our own business, support, love, and educate each other again- INCLUDING our enemies. And we need to learn the difference between educating and beating people with our opinions. Fuckin A our society has so much growing up to do!

ludwigtr
ludwigtr

A Bradlee Dean is what I picture as the definition of the word "Asshat"

anonymous
anonymous

congrats on being a mentally challenged person 

Melissa Summers
Melissa Summers

 Yes.  Same guy, and he has apologized for saying such a mean-spirited thing.

richard garyson
richard garyson

 I do not support laws that interfere with consensual behavior, even if said behavior is one that is unappealing or offensive to my sensibilities.  I watched Jonathan Haidt plug for his new book: The Righteous Mind, on CSPAN, this morning. What I took from it is that all people hold something sacred (religion, atheism, gay rights, etc.), and that the key to connecting with them is to try and understand why they hold that belief or opinion sacred, as opposed to mocking and denigrating it. Obviously gays want happiness, as much as anyone else, and part of that is having their relationships given similar recognition as heterosexual ones. Personally, I do not consider man-man and woman-women relationships the same as man-woman, but who am I to tell people what they can or cannot do? I want to be free and in control of my own life, so it is only right that I acknowledge the same for gays. I desire to get along with gays, in spite of my opinion of homosexual relations, and I am comfortable having that subject be off limits in conversation, if it is a necessary means to that end. So yes, even though I share his distaste for homosexual relations, I oppose Dean Bradley for his viscous vitriol against gays, and especially for suggesting they be arrested for engaging in consensual relations.

richard garyson
richard garyson

 How is Christianity FORCED on you because some businesses CHOOSE to shut down on Christmas and Easter?

ludwigtr
ludwigtr

"I am only making a point about how some Liberals feel that Muslims deserve "special rights""Some? yeah? Some conservatives vote democratic too. Your point there is nonexistent.

Michele Bachmann is an idiot. People care less about her religious beliefs and more about her being an elected official that should not allow her religious beliefs to get in the way of her governing the wellbeing of her constituents.  Her JOB is to do the best she can for the people that she serves, not to push and legislate religion, of any kind, for everyone to follow.  That would make her a false prophet, would it not?  And by her own standard, she should be stoned to death for doing so...  

She can believe whatever the hell she wants, and do whatever the hell she wants in her personal life, but when she steps into the public, as a public official, on government payroll, she is Required to leave that shit at home.You speak of hypocrisy, and have picked the Most hypocritical subject possible as your proof that it exists in other groups.

Just imagine for a second if another religion pushed their religious beliefs in legislation the way Christians do right now. How well do you think that would go over?

Muslims shouldn't be given special rights, they should be given the same rights as every other religion in this country.  But when you look at the leniency and the rights that this country has given Christians, and when any other religion Attempts to obtain those same rights, Christians go bat shit crazy.

Is Ashura Day a national fucking holiday?

Don't even try to tell me that these religions are being given "Special" treatment, when the rights they are actually receiving is FAR less equal than that of Christianity.

You are full of shit, just saying

Decievious Leroy Johnston Jr.
Decievious Leroy Johnston Jr.

And Brian, I appreciate your honesty.  However, no, I do not repeat what Fox News tells me to, because, I do not watch Fox News.  However, my mantra was not against people like you (aka those who do not believe in organized religion of any kind), but rather those who are so anti-Christian yet so Pro-Islam (even though they are not affiliated with either religion).  Somehow they are the first ones to stand up for the religious rights of Muslims (especially here in Minnesota, considering our large Somali population), yet the minute Michelle Bachmann talks about her religious beliefs, she is condemned as "bat-shit-crazy evil".  But when Muslim women are forced to cover their heads (and sometimes faces), when the penalty of homosexuality in Islam is death by stoning, when anyone who does not bow down to Islam is considered an "infidel" and the penalty is beheading, the Liberals are the first ones to advocate their "rights" here in America.  So apparently, you need to inform your fellow Liberals that when they fight for the rights of Somalis to live in America and practice their religion without fear of persecution, they better do the same damn thing for Michelle Bachmann and other Christians.  America is not a one-way street.

Just Saying.   

swmnguy
swmnguy

I'd have a lot more respect for the self-proclaiming "Christians" if they could discuss their faith and values in terms of themselves, their own lives, and their own experiences.  Most of the time though, what we have to endure is these people spouting off about everybody else.  I don't care what Dean, Bachmann or Santorum think about other people.  If their relationship with their religion and their Savior is so personal to them, why can't they ever talk about their own lives?  Why the constant attacks against everyone else?

ludwigtr
ludwigtr

It's a national holiday, moron.  The nation recognizes it.  Does the nation recognize other religion's holidays and shut down essential government functions for them?

Please explain to me how many other holidays the nation shuts down for and celebrates.

And to deny the fact that christmas is shoved down everyone's throat in every shopping center, small business, and grocery store in the United States, is idiotic. You can argue that's due to the business, but it's not, it's due to society and due to the backlash that any business would suffer for 'waging war on christianity', that and the sheer greed of consumerism.

richard garyson
richard garyson

 The reason why leftists react to Christianity in the way that vampires react to the Cross, while simultaneously gushing over Islam, is found in the following pragmatism: The enemy (Islam) of my enemy (Christianity) is my (leftist) friend. 

ludwigtr
ludwigtr

There is so much wrong with this that I don't know where to begin...

Brian
Brian

Seriously? What percentage of liberals believe this? Do you have a chart? I'm a liberal I don't know personally of any liberal that believes this. Religious liberty is one thing, but when ones religion leads to the persecution of another then that is unacceptable. In that case you're right. But, that's where most liberals are at. At best you're relying on your own assumptions and I suspect you don't even know any (or enough liberals) to base anything upon. With that you shouldn't condemn all or even most liberals. 

Also, there are those in your own party that assume that Islam is merely an evil cult and that every Muslim is evil. Do you believe that to be true? Because if you do you have to realize that the same evil stuff in the Quran is also present in the Bible. Muslims just take their book more seriously. So, are you willing to renounce those people in your party? Again, I think religion is a sham, but I know enough religious people to know that there are plenty of decent religious people. But, at the same time there are Christian sects where girls and women are forced to wear certain clothing and adhere to certain customs. Also, Christianity has had a history that has been every bit as brutal as Islam's. The difference is that Reason got in the way of religion. Lastly, the brutality of Islam is merely a symptom of broader societal and socio-economic issues. Think of where Christianity was when it was roughly 1300 years old. Also, it is time to stop pretending that there are no loons in your party. Bachmann is a loon. For instance, when Bachmann says (as she did in 2006) that there should be hearings to root out the "anti-American" people in congress or Allen West says there are roughly 80 member of the Communist Party in the Democratic party, those are loons. Now, they are not to the extent of a Bin Laden, but crazy nonetheless. Worse, they are merely cynics who pander to the dangerous loons who fund your party.

It's time be intellectually honest. This is a two street. Just saying. 

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