Fargo-Moorhead Forum publishes comically sexist 'war against men' letter to the editor

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The Forum apparently has very, very low standards for submitted letters.
They can't be serious with this crap, can they?

On Saturday, the Fargo-Moorhead Forum's editorial staff apparently decided it was a good idea to publish "The real war is against men," a letter to the editor written by Hawley, Minnesota resident Michael Ross.

All you really need to know about the letter is encapsulated in the first sentence, which reads like this: "Men have ruled every civilization since the beginning of time and always will."

The concluding sentence is pretty good too: "A truly free and just society will be one that promotes women as homemakers and mothers, nurses, teachers, secretaries and cheerleaders."

This is what passes for community discourse in the Fargo-Moorhead area? It's a scary thought for those of us who believe we live in the 21st century, a time where women can aspire toward accomplishments beyond pom-pomming and homemaking.

Anyway, if you're feeling masochistic, here's the whole letter:
Men have ruled every civilization since the beginning of time and always will. That is not the question. The question is, will a civilization be ruled by good men or evil men? Historically, evil men have ruled. Evil men rule today. When good men rule, it's ordinary men exercising leadership in their homes, local churches, local civil government, local business and commerce. When evil men rule, it is a handful of political, corporate, and monetary elitists that control nearly all the wealth in the economy. They rule from corporate boardrooms, Washington and Wall Street.

It is their strategy to attack ordinary men as the heads of their families and other traditional institutions. They do this by pushing women out of their homes and into the workforce by creating an economy that requires both parents to work. Also, by pushing them into jobs traditionally reserved for men: soldier, police officer, firefighter, physician, truck driver, etc. And by pushing schoolgirls into highly competitive varsity athletics traditionally reserved for boys, just to name a few. God created us male and female. They are saying there is no male and female.

It is all just to blur the distinction between men and women. Having destroyed the role of ordinary men as leaders, they rush in to fill the void. Any wife who is contentious with her husband's leadership, any woman who takes a man's pulpit, or seeks employment that has been traditionally reserved for men, has played into the elitists' hands.

Traditional male leadership is no guarantee of a decent and just society, but it is a prerequisite. A truly free and just society will be one that promotes women as homemakers and mothers, nurses, teachers, secretaries and cheerleaders.
Again, this actually ran in the largest newspaper in Fargo-Moorhead on Saturday. You can't make it up!

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Just another man
Just another man

OMG an unpopular view! Quickly sheep, label it! Marginalize it! It isn't PC!

SEXIST!

Dave Arntson
Dave Arntson

The paper is The Forum of Fargo-Moorhead. It hasn't been The Fargo Forum since the 1950s.

Sk8ermatt
Sk8ermatt

Ok but does anyone notice the irony in the phrase "largest newspaper in Fargo Moorhead"? That's like trying to find the worlds biggest mouse penis

Ordinaryjoe
Ordinaryjoe

[Please excuse the length of my commentary.]It seems to me that Mr. Ross is making an argument about a “decent and just society” and not one against the role of women in our society, though it comes off that way. He asks, who rules a society-good men or evil men. He states that to have a just society, we need to have just leadership. Counter-arguments aside, he notes that historically evil men have ruled and that evil men rule now. He asserts that when good men rule (in those times when evil men were not in power) that those good men ruled because other “ordinary” men (assuming good ones again) exercised their leadership at home and at the local level.  He argues that “evil men” usurp control of society by attacking the roles of ordinary men. His example of how this is done is through the blurring of the distinctions between men and women in those local roles. He concludes that this destroys the role of “ordinary men as leaders,” at the local levels, which, in turn, means there aren’t good men in the leadership roles of our society, which means our society is less likely to be decent and just. Overlooking how said evil men accomplish this usurpation, the logic is fairly true: when good people do nothing, evil people rule. From his conclusion he makes two assertions: 1) women who dethrone men at the local level (assuming we’re talking only the good kind of men and only at the local level) are playing into this evil plot, and 2) to guarantee a decent and just society, we need traditional male leadership, which requires women to maintain their “traditional” roles as women. The issue here, as I see it, is not with the nature of his comments or his example, but instead, the issue is with the logic of the argument. His argument should be that a just society is derived from just people (not exclusively male leadership, even though men have traditionally been the leaders in society—historically speaking). His example should be focused on people in general; that any time an evil person dethrones a good person at the local level (or we, as a society, remove good people in unjust ways), our society is undermined as a result. His examples about Washington and Wall Street are obviously there to back his assertion that just people are not in control, and therefore, our society is not just (regardless of why).  It would seem to me that Mr. Ross has something worth talking about and it’s not his language that should garner our attention but the idea at its core. The leadership of a society is a reflection of that society. In our case, our leadership, in Mr. Ross’ opinion, and in those of many others, of all ages, all creeds, all makes and models, is a leadership that is neither decent nor just. Granted, the pathway to his conclusion is fraught with problems of logic and language, but that doesn’t mean we should discount his thoughts out-of-hand as ranting or representative of a low standard of journalism. Doing so makes us indecent and unjust towards our fellow citizens and undermines the beliefs that are the cornerstone of our democracy and the hallmark of a society that is both decent and just. Furthermore, I would argue that we should thank Mr. Ross for sharing his opinion and The Forum for printing it because without honest and productive discourse our society will be anything but decent and just. Then, as a society, we should discuss, learn, and continue moving forward.

truckload_bear
truckload_bear

On second thought...this is probably a great example of Poe's Law.

truckload_bear
truckload_bear

Another reason not to let you grandparents figure out how to use the intertoobs.

Kirk the Conservative Jerk
Kirk the Conservative Jerk

Divide and conquer!For those of you that haven't picked up on this agenda, well, I feel for you.This is all done as an opportunity to point and say; "hey look over there at these injustices!"  Meanwhile the other hand is up to no good.  Plotting to poise you against your fellow man.

Distractions people, distractions!

Men vs womenBlack vs whiteElephant vs JackassDog vs cat

T.K.
T.K.

Obviously, this is a ridiculous letter. But to say that it's scary for those who believe in women's rights is giving this clown a little too much credit. It's not scary at all. This dude is a chump and maybe the Forum published it BECAUSE it's ridiculous. That's the spirit of free speech and free press -- and the spirit of letters to the editor. The paper doesn't have to agree with every letter they print. 

Plus, now the opinion page is going to be flooded with rebuttals, which equals more readers checking in to see when that happens. Furthermore, people are talking about it all over the place and the Forum is racking up hits on their website in an age when newspapers are struggling.

I think you're making much ado about nothing. It was a sensationalist letter to the editor, not a front-page editorial on behalf of the Forum itself. The guy who wrote this is an idiot, and I think a majority of people can separate a letter to the editor from an actual editorial.  

Read HPR instead
Read HPR instead

I used to live around there. The Forum is about as good at expressing the common voice of Fargo as Fox News is at expressing the common voice of the US.

Jess
Jess

I am not entirely certain why you wouldn't publish a letter like this in a paper? At it's worse it is the ramblings of a nostalgic elderly person, at it's best it is a conversation starter. I appreciate City Pages pointing out this piece, but, honestly, if you are reprinting the letter I'd imagine you were looking for the same shock and awe factor the publishing news paper was seeking. Furthermore, I would rather papers and other news media point out that there are people who hold this view, than sweep it under the rug. You can't work to change the minds of people you don't know exist. I am not trying to be nit picky, but calling out this local newspaper in the manner that you did seems rather caddy to me.

Kellyobrien
Kellyobrien

You guys should talk. You recently ran a cover story about a woman who was the victim of sexual harassment and you referred to her as a "honey pot."

Shiftgears
Shiftgears

I'm a woman and stay at home mom. (to a dog) my partner, also a woman, is a construction worker. We're everything this guy is looking for, except unmarried, lesbians, and I'm a pretty shitty housekeeper. Usually reading this patriarchal "the good old days" stuff gets my hackles up, but today? So fucking what. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. This guy longs for the 50's. So let him. Why snark? Why so contentious? Just nod your head, or lol, and move along. Seriously, who cares. The world needs more respect for others beliefs, not less.

Forwardpride
Forwardpride

I know and accept that there will always be individuals who are pathetic enough to believe in Michael Ross' drivel.  But that any newspaper outside of the John Birch society would print it is obscene and irresponsible.  What's next in the Inforum?  Neo nazi propaganda?

Melissa Summers
Melissa Summers

If this were satire, it would be funny.  But instead it's just sad, and it says a lot about the ignorance and fear that drives people to believe stuff like this.

Lee Jones
Lee Jones

If you were raised in the forties or the fifties, this make perfect sense. And if you take a quick look around Fargo, it's not exactly full of youngsters - so why wouldn't you print something that a lot of the angry, greying readership agree with? America's getting older and those old white folks are going to be getting a lot more protective of the 'Americana' they think they were raised in (I say think because the idea that America was ever this homogenized white picket fence world is laughable). I would imagine in the coming years a lot of small towns are going to be clinging onto their old ways, to the detriment of the country, because it's these old people who are those who get out and vote. 

Sally Jo Sorensen
Sally Jo Sorensen

Do you even know the difference between an editorial and a letter to the editor? 

mar1950
mar1950

Thankyou Joe.  You are extraordinary.

atrupar
atrupar

Fixed, Sally, thanks.

noodleman
noodleman

I'm boviating over your reply.

Paige Lindberg
Paige Lindberg

This letter is too funny (and horrible)........I am also originally from this area and I think it's about time that you guys (city pages & other "city folk") focus on the absurdities of some of the mind-sets of the people who are still dreaming of the 40's and 50's.....

Donovan
Donovan

And, it's the Fargo Forum, not the Fargo (In)forum.

DorAMEK
DorAMEK

No, it's the Fargo Fool 'em

atrupar
atrupar

Thanks for the clarification. Numerous reports on Twitter say it was published in this Saturday's edition in print.

Donovan
Donovan

InForum must be their online moniker. Now, my question to you is: Did you verify that this letter was published in print? Or was it just posted on their website?

Donovan
Donovan

Yes, the print edition is the Fargo Forum.

atrupar
atrupar

Really? I noticed both are used on the website, but the banner on top of page uses "Inforum." Is the print edition "The Forum"?

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