Support growing for gay marriage in Minnesota, new polling suggests

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It appears more Minnesotans are cool with this than before.
Mark Dayton dreams of Vikings stadiums and Minnesota becoming the first state to vote down a constitutional amendment against gay rights. This year, both dreams may be fulfilled.

A new SurveyUSA poll suggests there is more support for gay marriage in Minnesota than there was four or six months ago.

However, rather than directly asking Minnesotans for their opinions about gay marriage or the constitutional amendment, pollsters opted for an Obama-related question that makes it more difficult to analyze the survey results, namely: "President Obama says that same-sex couples should be able to get married. Do you agree with the president? Or disagree?"

As the Minnesota Progressive Project notes:
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Survey USA
Even though they would seem to be the same thing, these are in fact two different things; to agree or disagree with President Obama about his stance on same sex marriage and to vote yes or no (or not vote) on the actual amendment that will be on the ballot.
52 percent of respondents said they agree with the president, while 42 were opposed. Six percent were "not sure." The poll's margin of error is 4.4 percent.

Compare that with earlier results. In late January, Public Policy Polling found that the amendment is "headed for a close vote," with 48 percent of voters in favor of banning same-sex marriage and 44 percent opposed. A November Star Tribune poll found an almost identical 48-43 split. So it appears momentum is building in the pro-gay rights direction, even if SurveyUSA's question raises doubt about how the results should be interpreted.

If you need a refresher, the amendment before Minnesota voters this November will ask "whether only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Minnesota." That's obviously a lot different than what SurveyUSA asked.

Perhaps we should recognize the power of the president's words and the governor's dreams. Combined, they've arguably been enough to swing some Minnesotans toward support of the gay rights cause.

Related gay marriage in Minnesota coverage:
-- Bachmann renounces citizenship in gay-friendly Switzerland, blasts Obama for backing gay marriage
-- DeLeSalle student, during anti-gay school assembly, holds up sign: "I love my moms"
-- Marriage amendment means it's a great time to be in Minnesota's media business
-- Twin Cities Archbishop: Same-sex marriage ban not debatable

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effeminate dad
effeminate dad

It was nice of you to break it down so people like ludwig can understand.

Hopefully it passes soon, but I also hope people don't vote based solely on that one issue.

Jason Dorweiler
Jason Dorweiler

I was just going to say that Obama will win based on his strategic support of gay marriage, but I would of said a win either way when you look at his competition.

effeminate dad
effeminate dad

I'm not talking about anybody winning or losing, we're screwed either way with the two presumed candidates. I'm talking about the public's fallibility.

If a candidate is against war profiteering, is for following the rule of law, is about fiscal responsibility, and supports gay marriage I'd vote for them. If a candidate supports the same three issues but not gay marriage, I'd still vote for them. If a candidate supports gay marriage but not the other three issues I would not vote for them.

So basically, again, we're dealing with choosing between a douche and a turd when Ron Paul could have saved us.

effeminate dad
effeminate dad

I don't even know where to begin to start, so I won't. No amount of trying to convince you that the system is not your friend would sway you. We're both wasting our time. My only request is that you keep that mind open.


What I said was you were likely just as bias as the poll was, and would likely call the poll out if it didn't agree with your narrative.  I don't see how that has anything to do with me agreeing or disagreeing with anything that was said by that poll, or this poll, or needing it spelled out in any way.  I'm a big boy, I can read.  I check facts and form my opinions.  What I don't check are polls because they're pointless.

You just brought up the fact that you would vote for someone based on a number of different factors, correct?  The Only two things that I agree with Ron Paul about are the FED and his consistency.  His underlying want to destroy everything that has pushed equality is offensive to me.I think title IX was a good thing.I think the civil rights act was a step in the right direction.Making education a for-profit endeavor I feel is wrong.  I like the FDA, I like safe drinking water and safe food, and the fact that unsafe things are caught in time for me to not get violently ill or die.  I like the EPA, I enjoy being able to walk outside my home and not choke on toxic fumes from factories.  I benefit from biomedical research, and would like to see it continue.  I like the fact that people with mental health disorders can seek treatment, because they don't know better for themselves and can't get jobs that would allow them to seek treatment on their own through an insurer.I think foreign aid is important, especially when it helps thousands of people with malaria and aids, and people who don't have clean water, or shelter, or food.I enjoy national parks and national monuments.I also think the Affordable Care Act is a step in the right direction in getting everyone healthcare in this country.I think women should be entitled to do what they want with their bodies.I also think women should get equal pay for equal work.

I'm not expecting different results, I'm expecting progress.  The difference there is that our congress is so tied up with their ideological bullshit that they can't do what's right for the people and can't compromise and act like adults.  I'm not picking what's trendy, I'm picking what I think will do the best for the most people, and what is morally right.  Not everyone in our society is Christian, I don't want someone who's faith is going to be the only reason they are going to make every decision.  Like it or not, this is a democracy, and what the people want is what should happen, regardless of ideology, faith, or profit.  For those reasons I believe the incumbent is the best qualified for what I want this country to accomplish and what I want for myself and my neighbors.

You're probably right though, I should probably hold your hand and vote for Ron Paul because he wants to end the FED.  Sheesh, what was I thinking?


That guy has absolutely no belief in government so why would I want him to run it?!  He isn't even in support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964... are you joking me?!  Ron Paul!? 

effeminate dad
effeminate dad

On a board from Mon, I commented on the fact that the poll used coercive language. You called me out for that. This board broke down why it was coercive. What are you bitching about?

Obama...? Following the same path and expecting a different result is insanity. Ron Paul has science on his side, Obama has myth. The FED is our biggest issue now, you recognize it is a major problem. Obama loves him some FED. You also mention RP's consistency which Obama lacks, yet you still choose the trendy route. Thanks for proving my point in my other post on this board.

I can't continually hold your hand. Someday you'll have to think for yourself.


...Ron Paul?

The guy that wants to burn 200 years of progress to the ground and run on a system of "every man, woman, and child for themselves".  While I honestly approve of his consistency, and his desire to end the FED, I can't say that his methods would have "saved us" like some mythical messiah. In fact, the only reason he's a viable candidate in any way is because the bat shit crazy conservatives (not trying to lump them in there with the conservatives who have brains) pushed the envelope SO far to the right, that he looks like a reasonable candidate.There is a reason some laws change, and like it or not, societies evolve.  If it was still 1950, yeah, Paul would probably have my vote, but it's not, and it never will be again.

Also, WTF are you talking about breaking it down for me?  I don't believe any polls. They're all bullshit until someone does something that is actually quantified.Is this the point where I should baselessly rip on you now for being an illiterate inbred?  Sure is a good thing he used small words and a pie chart so you could follow along with the adults, huh?Fucker.

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