Wisconsin Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch: "There is a way to have a more 'forcible rape'" [VIDEO]

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Kleefisch: Some rapes are rapier than others.
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In a clip that is the epitome of Orwellian doublespeak, Wisconsin Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch tells a reporter that efforts to categorize rape are "disgusting," then seconds later reverses course and says, "I think there is a way to have a more 'forcible rape.'"

Scott Walker's right-hand woman made that non-distinction last week at a pro-life rally in Madison after being asked for her reaction to U.S. Senate candidate Todd Akin's "legitimate rape" remarks. She blasted Akin, but immediately tried to cover her ass when the reporter pointed out that fellow Wisconsinite Paul Ryan co-sponsored a bill distinguishing rape from "forcible rape."

Here's the clip (hat-tip: Gawker):



Ryan, meanwhile, has taken to saying "rape is rape." The "forcible rape" concept he once championed is simply "stock language used for lots of different bills," he says.

But after-the-fact rationalizations aside, Ryan's "forcible rape" history, especially in light of Akin's gaffe, is not a good look for the aspiring VP, as Mother Jones points out:
[The "stock language" explanation] indicates a few things. For one, Paul Ryan either didn't really bother to find out what the specific language regarding rape really meant before he agreed to cosponsor the measure, or he didn't care and in fact does think that some rapes are rapier than others. And his plea that the bill merely used "stock language" suggests that he and other lawmakers were just borrowing the legislative language happily provided by anti-abortion groups such as the National Right to Life Committee who believe that the government should be in the business of deciding which rape victims are worthy of abortion funding.

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Penny Glasscock Smith
Penny Glasscock Smith

Let's see...How shall we measure FORCE? In pounds-per-square-inch? Let's go back to the definition of rape: Someone says NO, and someone else says "I'll use your body anyway." Or when someone vulnerable, such as a child, or a person made puposely vulnerable who CANNOT say no is taken advantage of by someone less vulnerable. Is the question whether or not it was easy for the rapist?

Emily Summers Leabch
Emily Summers Leabch

The issues are both rape and abortion. The legality of abortion is the policy issue, the way rape is viewed is the moral issue. The attitude of the people making these statements reflect the unfortunate view of rape that is still too pervasive. Enough people still view rape as a crime of different levels. If a wife says no to her husband and he rapes her there are a lot of people who look at her questioningly. If a woman is dressed in a manner considered provocative, she is looked at like she "deserved it". The vast majority of rapes are not the kind where a stranger grabs a woman off the street, it is committed by someone known to the victim. Now, just to make the trauma last longer, if she gets pregnant as a result of a rape it makes the healing process that much harder to be forced to continue with the pregnancy is unimaginable. Having the choice in some matter resulting from your rape is one more step to healing. If she chooses to continue the pregnancy or not should be a decision she makes, not lawmakers so distanced from the issue they can't even see that rape is rape and it IS forcible. The issues are inseparable in the manner it is being presented in the media in recent weeks.

Eric Foss
Eric Foss

if I had more time, I'd count the number of times rape appears in this thread. It's pretty gross, really.

webcelt
webcelt

Wow. Even Romney let's a day go by before changing positions. Changing a position in consecutive answers in the same interview is impressive.

Tub Huas Hawj
Tub Huas Hawj

She should try it out and let us in on the difference

Jamie Sens
Jamie Sens

Clearly no consent is rape and frankly, I'm tired of this issue. But this issue is not about rape. It is about abortion. Obviously, there are some rapes that are significantly more violent than others. However, the fact that it has been suggested that there is a violence criteria to "legitimizing" rape is just so tasteless and dismissive it sickens me. Taking away a woman's right to control when and if she wants to reproduce is the first step in taking away her humanity. I will not be reduced to the level of live stock thank you. Rape, and the health of the mother remain the two greatest road blocks for extreme pro-lifers. This whole "rape proper" thing began as a feeble minded attempt to provide a scientific argument to a stance that is fueled by religious beliefs. Nice try assholes. In the words of Iced T...Ya played yourself!

Kenneta Fabing
Kenneta Fabing

Rape in it's very nature is forcible, whether it be by threat, deceit, carefully crafted manipulation, or by physical force. No means no.

Lola House
Lola House

Smh. Please stop the fuckery and foolishness!

Jonathon Richter
Jonathon Richter

You'd think during an election year it'd be a good time to pull your head out of your ass if you were a politician...

Peter Farnsworth
Peter Farnsworth

The Republicans are digging a hole so deep they no longer have anywhere to throw all the soil except on top of themselves, in the end getting buried 6 feet deep

Emily Summers Leabch
Emily Summers Leabch

Yes, sometimes it is more violent - that doesn't make the other rapes less of a rape because the victim was not hit across the face or beaten. Rape is rape, no means no. As a rape victim 20 years ago it didn't make it less traumatic because I was ONLY threatened with a knife. Would my rape have been more of a rape if my attacker had stabbed me instead of just holding it to my throat?! I don't think so.

Tammy Glasscock Berg
Tammy Glasscock Berg

I wouldn't wish even the least forcible rape on her even though she is a huge black mark on women's rights.

Kat Coats
Kat Coats

Seriously, when are men's health choices going to take precedence over welfare, the economy, and any other more valid political issues? Maybe we should all talk about health care in this country, in general, before specifics are brought up. Focus people!!!!

Richard Martinez
Richard Martinez

How is the definition still up for discussion - IT'S ALL BAD.

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