Minnesota Office of Higher Ed un-bans free online classes, but is that a good thing?

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Said Pogemiller: "Our office encourages lifelong learning and wants Minnesotans to take advantage of educational materials available on the Internet, particularly if they're free."
A day after generating a shitstorm of bad publicity with its announcement that free online classes would be banned in Minnesota, the state Office of Higher Education reversed course on Friday and un-banned Coursera and other sites of its ilk.

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The reversal represented a victory for common sense, but some argue there was actually a bit of wisdom in the OHE's initial decision to ban free online classes.

First, via Slate, here's OHE Director and former Senate Majority Leader Larry Pogemiller explaining the reversal:
Pogemiller: "Obviously, our office encourages lifelong learning and wants Minnesotans to take advantage of educational materials available on the Internet, particularly if they're free. No Minnesotan should hesitate to take advantage of free, online offerings from Coursera."

He added that the 20-year-old statute in question clearly didn't envision free online classes from accredited universities, saying: "When the legislature convenes in January, my intent is to work with the Governor and Legislature to appropriately update the statute to meet modern-day circumstances. Until that time, I see no reason for our office to require registration of free, not-for-credit offerings."
But in correspondence with City Pages, Wes Burdine, a University of Minnesota English Ph.D. candidate, argued that free online courses are "a technocratic ruse being used to help defund public education rather than educate."

Burdine cited an Atlantic piece discussing the high non-completion rates characteristic of MOOCs (short for Massive Open Online Courses). From the piece:
Last summer, when Stanford announced its free, online artificial intelligence course, much of the attention celebrated just how *many* people would be able to partake of the intellectual delights normally reserved for the Stanford student body. "Virtual and Artificial, but 58,000 Want Course," the New York Times announced. The story led, "A free online course at Stanford University on artificial intelligence, to be taught this fall by two leading experts from Silicon Valley, has attracted more than 58,000 students around the globe -- a class nearly four times the size of Stanford's entire student body."

The number of those enrolled would eventually top out at 160,000 students, and other online courses followed suit, trumpeting one by one the massive numbers of people wanting to get in on the goods.

But the massive enrollment numbers have not been trailed by massive completion rates. About 35,000 people (or a little more than 20 percent) finished Stanford's AI course. The Times [notes] that the debut course of MIT's experiment in free online education had a similar experience. "Of the 154,763 who registered for 'Circuits and Electronics,' fewer than half even got as far as looking at the first problem set, and only 7,157 passed the course," says Tamar Lewin in an interview with MIT's Anant Agarwal. Likewise, UC Berkeley professor David Patterson said that 3,500 people of 50,000 registered passed his online course. Across the board, online classes (or MOOCs, as they are sometimes called, meaning Massive Open Online Courses) are seeing consistently high drop-out rates.
"I think the main point is that MOOCs are an experiment right now, but people are taking them to be some sort of technological savior of education (e.g. Thomas Friedman)," Burdine wrote.

"Perhaps a ban on these courses is bureaucratically obnoxious, but it's key to remember that just because it makes for a clever TED Talk doesn't mean it is good for education," he continued. "Making public universities cheap and top-notch -- that's how we build a more educated Minnesota -- not by getting a couple of white, male professors from Stanford lecture via the internet to students around the world."


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TheConservativeJerk
TheConservativeJerk topcommenter

Wait, how will the U of M pay it janitors $300,000 a year?

alexhaueter
alexhaueter

@MnNiceFC I'm sure some context got lost in quoting you, but why emphasize "white, male professors from Stanford" at the end? Just curious.

mark.gisleson
mark.gisleson

The initial decision was bad and the subsequent decision was bad. So long as government cannot simply say, "some businesses are really scams," we will continue to protect the student loan scammers at the expense of the legitimate online learning centers.

 

Criminals masquerading as businesses are ruining everything for everyone.

MnNiceFC
MnNiceFC

@alexhaueter that's the super brief version. The quote does kind of come from nowhere.

MnNiceFC
MnNiceFC

@alexhaueter MOOCs take teaching from Kenyan, Japanese, or Lebanese teachers & means mostly white males are teaching those classes

AdSLazaro
AdSLazaro

@alexhaueter @MnNiceFC "technocratic ruse." you really are an English phd candidate, aren't you? (I agree, this model is tick-box education)

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

 @mark.gisleson Great point.  I'd say most of the for-profit schools are scams.  But if the content is legitimate and free, there shouldn't be a problem.  This hints at the Mn Office of Higher Ed trying to protect the profitability of the colleges.  You used to be able to "audit" classes, or just attend them for free, if you didn't want the credit.  In recent years, as the colleges have jumped on the Finance bandwagon, tuition has of course soared and student loan scams have taken over higher education, and their executives (oops, administrators) have cracked down on anyone attending for free.  There's plenty of selfish interest at work here, in addition to the point you make well.

alexhaueter
alexhaueter

@MnNiceFC I see. Thanks for clarifying...Definitely some context missing (or another aspect of the issue left out altogether)

mark.gisleson
mark.gisleson

 @swmnguy And this is the scamsters filling a void that shouldn't exist. Why can't we have an online College of the USA? Conduct midterms and finals in government facilities with proctors. Students would have to pay for tests and grades and diplomas, but classes would be free.

 

How do we benefit from restricting education only to the haves and charity cases?

dillonJyoung
dillonJyoung

@alexhaueter @MnNiceFC I do like the "just because it makes for a clever TED Talk doesn't mean it is good for education" line.

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