Minnesota Majority's Dan McGrath on voter ID failure: "Voter fraud likely played a role"

Categories: Voter ID
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Had his amendment passed, we doubt McGrath would be crying 'voter fraud!'
Minnesota Majority, the main organization pushing the voter ID amendment that was defeated earlier this month, has never been able to cite a case of voter fraud voter ID would've prevented. But that uncomfortable fact isn't stopping Minnesota Majority executive director Dan McGrath from citing voter fraud as one of the main reasons the amendment was only supported by 46 percent of voters.

SEE ALSO: MNGOP Rep. Mary Kiffmeyer blames voter ID failure on "misinformation"

In a post published on the conservative True North blog, McGrath tackles the question of "Why Voter ID Failed." His answers? Money, misinformation, and the thing that gives him night sweats -- voter fraud.

From McGrath's post (emphasis mine):
Ultimately, money was the principle factor in the defeat of the Voter ID amendment. Initial post-election research now being conducted by Minnesota Majority indicates that voter fraud likely played a role, but voter fraud is only effective in a close election. It shouldn't have even been close. Despite the defeat of the constitutional amendment, the people of Minnesota clearly support requiring photo ID to vote, but were misled to believe that the constitutional amendment was an egregious way to accomplish it. With adequate resources to counter the lies and scare tactics of the opposition, Voter ID could have been ratified handily.
Despite what McGrath says, the vote wasn't that close. More than 177,000 additional yes votes were needed to hit the 50 percent threshold. In order words, unless the number of fraudulent votes cast roughly equals the populations of Duluth and Bloomington combined, voter fraud was far from a decisive factor.

In his post, McGrath repeatedly cites "misinformation" as another reason the voter ID amendment went down, but at no point does he cite even one specific example of a false claim made by amendment opponents. On the other side of the spectrum, electoral experts are in wide agreement -- voter ID is a solution in search of a problem.

But as the Minnesota Progressive Project's Jeff Rosenberg writes, McGrath's latest preposterous statements are par for the course:
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. McGrath has been seeing the Voter Fraud boogieman everywhere for years; it's only natural that he should see his amendment's defeat as further vindication of his paranoia. And I suppose there's just as much evidence behind this charge as any of his previous allegations.

McGrath and his compatriots will probably continue to make the circular argument that voter ID lost because of fraud, but they can't prove it without voter ID. But judging from the election results, which were not close, nobody buys the argument.
As the leader of the main organization pushing the amendment, McGrath admits he "must assume blame" for voter ID's defeat. But McGrath's says the fight has just begun -- "Riding high on the defeat of Voter ID, election integriity [sic] foes are already laying plans to erode the integrity of Minnesota's election system even further," he writes.

'Election integrity foes'? Strong words coming from a guy who has spent five years using dishonest arguments to push a constitutional amendment that would be about as beneficial as a third wheel on my bike.


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green23
green23 topcommenter

McGrath alleges fraud of 177k votes, which would be a monumental task to orchestrate and impossible to keep secret after the fact. One can only wonder why, if such massive fraud could be pulled off, were Bachmann, Kline, and Paulsen left in office? Surely any organisation that could direct so many thousands so cleverly would have engineered at least one of those defeats and kept Franson beyond a recount margin. Also, I enjoy the irony of McGrath 'taking blame' as he clearly blames 177k fraudulent voters. Any 'misinformation' was caused by the extreme vagueness of the Amendment - which was virtually copied and pasted from ALEC.

Dave2
Dave2

Mcgrath is riding the same sour grapes express that  many other Republicans are on. The GOPs need to remember that the essences of democracy is that majority rules. It ruled on the voter ID prop and it ruled in the general election. Republicans need to quit whining, forget seceding, and forget woulda, coulda, shoulda yearnings. The Dems won so grow up and live with it.

sallyjos
sallyjos

@PhoenixWomanMN Thanks! That's appreciated!

womanphoenix
womanphoenix

Here's why Dan McGrath and his ALEC buddy Mary Kiffmeyer lost:  They lost because, as @sallyjos Sally Jo Sorensen of @bspinmn  Bluestem Prairie has documented over the past year, they were unable to convince the county clerks of Greater Minnesota that the yellow stuff McGrath et al tried to trickle down their legs was lemonade. The county clerks knew better -- they didn't get to be in charge of the wherewithal of their friends and neighbors in the area by being stupid.

 

The county clerks and other county officials have to know what they're doing, or the county can't function. It's as simple as that. And it's because they can count and know how to run ledgers, and because they know what they are doing, that they got the word out to their friends and neighbors about what a terrible threat this ballot amendment posed, both in terms of costs and needless complexity.

 

It's their comparing notes and then getting the word out that sent the polling numbers for the amendment issue down thirty points from its May highs without a single TV ad hitting the air. In fact, the TV ads, pro or con, didn't air until after the first polls appeared showing that support for the amendment had dropped dramatically; the pro-amendment folks didn't think they needed to run ads, and the anti-amendment folks didn't yet have the money to run ads. That all changed when the polls came out.

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

Is there an issue? Maybe. This clown and idiots like Sutton and Borkbob just muddy the waters with their big R agenda issues.. idiots. 

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

The 177,000 votes needed for the amendment to pass are such an obvious sign there was no voter fraud its laughable McGrath would even suggest it.  Doesn't surprise me a Republican is a complete dumbfuck who doesn't understand basic math however.   I've never once heard a Republican use anything like science or math to make their point on here.  Republicans typically rely on lies and namecalling to debate so its pretty easy to see why their leadership would be this stupid.  Anyone with a brain better realize that its dangerous to have a political party made up of this many stupid liars.

dragonflyeye
dragonflyeye

@Hokuboku @WentRogue Conspiracy: meet Circular Logic.

MikeW
MikeW

If Mr. McGrath believes voter fraud played a role in the defeat of the amendment, he should strive to prove it.  Saying it was "likely" is a cop-out move.  Prove. It.

Brent Benjamin Bunn
Brent Benjamin Bunn

I think it is time for them to change their name. I'd recommend Minnesota Not-Quite Majority.

JayJustSaid
JayJustSaid

@WentRogue BREAKING: Republicans have won every election everywhere since 1860 if it weren't for voter fraud

wi_defender
wi_defender

@popwilleatme doesn't the fact that circular arguments around voter fraud exist prove that there is voter fraud? What more do you want?

NorthernMNer
NorthernMNer

@MikeMcFeelyKFGO But that's just it -- for Dan McGrath or Mary Kiffmeyer, you quite literally CAN make it up.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

The only fraud we have in play here is this guy; EVERY single time he has claimed that there was voter fraud, his claims have failed to survive a close scrutiny or investigation.

 

This man has cried wolf so many times that the ONLY response to his claims is a hearty laugh AT HIM and his fellow delusional right wing nuts, and an emphatic raspberry blown in his direction.

 

Then someone needs to explain to him in terms that could be understood by a fool - like him - that one needs real evidence to support accusations before making them, not just losing. McGrath has none, not this time, not previous times, he is a fake, a fraud, a crackpot, and utterly unworthy of the attention of anyone.

 

No one wants your ID amendment; it is unnecessary, useless, and expensive. You have bad information, and badly failed ideas McGrath; go soak your head, and shut up.

 

You are a joke, a joke that is getting older and more stale by the minute.

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

 @MicheleBachmann MB, shut up.. god I'm sick of hearing your drivel.  "R:" is not code for racist, homophobes.

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

 @Dog Gone I'm split, on one side we've got Ritchie playing Sgt Schultz "I see nuthing'". On the we've got some blaming ACORN for everything to the Kennedy assaniation. Is there a middle ground? Bring in your voter registration card?  (They get maild pre election).. Just throwing something out there.. But I don't believe the system is "prefect"

 

itscold99
itscold99

R is a code for idiotic, racist, homophobic, profoundly stupid and un-American pricks.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

 @CinBlueland Maybe if you would get mad at all the racist sexist and homophobic Republicans my words wouldn't sting so much.  You are just a pathetic phony troll though since you have made racist, sexist, and homophobic comments in the past.  You always have an insult for me but never a reprimand for keny.  You are a phony and losers like you are the problem with Republicans.  You are a stupid lying phony.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

 @CinBlueland

 You don't need to take Ritchie's word for it -- county attorney's haven't found any voter fraud either, and they are the people responsible for prosecuting it in their respective counties (and many of them are Republicans).  http://www.ceimn.org/files/Facts%20about%20Ineligible%20Voting%20and%20Voter%20Fraud%20in%20Minnesota_with%20appendix.pdf

 

Not only that, but NO investigation of voter fraud on the national level finds any either -- including the investigation by AG Ashcroft under the Bush administration (hardly Democrats). The most recent study, done by Arizona State University, concluded that voter fraud occurred at the rate of 1 in 15 million votes,

 

That may not be perfect, but it is as close as humanly possible for prevention of fraud.  Other more serious, and easily corrected problems are the deliberate attempts to discourage people from voting - like the long lines in states like Florida - which ONLY seem to occur where 2 things are true - Republican secretaries of state, and democratic leaning voting districts.

 

I would also refer you to the NYTimes and Truthout coverage of those 'special' UNAUTHORIZED 'patches' to the software on electronic voting machines in Ohio, and the fuss over Karl Rove's apparent shock that they didn't work to steal the election for Romney this time the way they did a few elections back for Bush (allegedly).

 

It is an unquestioned pseudo-fact among Republicans that Democrats steal elections.  That is stupid.  There is no evidence for it, it would require a conspiracy of massive proportions, and frankly people don't tend to keep secrets very well, so beieving that is ridiculous.  There is no up side for someone to commit voter fraud, only a down side, risk of felony prosecution.

 

Go call the Sec State's office and ASK them all the different ways they verify who is properly on the voter rolls - most people dont know.  Then ask them about the post-election audit of the polling results (the public can watch) because most people don't know about that either.

 

The reality is, we've already done pretty much what we can do to make elections fair and honest in MN; we don't have a problem, and the last thing that would make them more honest is to outlaw same day voter registration (used by a lot of voters) or to go to provisional votes instead.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

 @CinBlueland Only a dumb Republican could think a system with no voter fraud isn't perfect.  You and dumb Dan McGrath can't find any proof of voter fraud yet we need to spend millions fixing the problem.    Everyone knows the only problem is that Republicans think too many non Republicans vote.  Stupid ideas like that are why Republicans suck at government and no one trusts them.  Grow a brain.  You are wrong about this issue.  Liberals are right.  Admit you are wrong and get smarter.  Republicans like you are dumb children who will never admit they are wrong no matter what the facts say.  You've already been humilated multiple times on this site for not reading articles before commenting and being very wrong in your predictions.  You should shut up and learn from the adults.  Like all Republicans you have no shame and continue to spew your ignorance.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

 @CinBlueland Dude you said racial slurs and blamed their crimes on the color of their skin.  You are a pathetic lying racist troll.   You, keny, and the rest of the Republican trolls had nothing to do but make nasty comments about racial stereotypes.  You've never once called out a racist, homophobic, or sexist comment yet you constantly have some insult for me.  Fuck off with your phony bullshit.  Republicans equal racists and you are proof of that.

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

 @MicheleBachmann What, we don't like black criminals?

I hate criminals in general. Fucking hate thieves. Is it a problem that CP posts about crime involving blacks?

That's not racist, thats knowing where the problem is.

Sorry middle class whites only create serial killers, not random violence thugs.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

 @CinBlueland You are so full of shit.  You've never called him out.  You've said racist things on multiple stories about black criminals.  I've linked you the article and you didn't comment like a coward.  Stop being a phony asshole. 

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

 @MicheleBachmann MB, If keny did anything that was really offensive I'd call him on it.. Hell I may have already (dont keep logs of all my posts)

On the other hand you're hyper sensitive to any key word/group

Just to get this out of the way.

Gay - Don't care, ok with gay marriage.

Blacks - Whatever.. Sad about B on B crime in N and NE

Women - They're beautiful and evil creatures.. Love and Hate, but don't really care about their abortion rights. I don't agree with abortion but it's the law and it's not going to change regardless of who's in office.

So where do you want to go with this? We're on opposite sides of the spectrum, I'm just not as "sensitive" to slights are you are.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

 @green23  @CinBlueland

 I didn't remember any Soros money in the 2008 election, certainly the majority of Ritchie's campaign funding did not come from outside of Minnesota, to the extent of Bachmann's two most recent campaigns.  That does suggest strongly that there has been highly undesirable funding from outside sources for Minnesota CONSERVATIVE politicians that should raise red flags for every person living in MN that doesnt want their government controlled by outside influences.

Unlike say, Indiana Republican Secretary of State White (who was prosecuted on multiple felony charges by a REPUBLICAN to give credit where credit is due) I'm not aware of any valid complaints of wrongful or illegal or even highly partisanship conduct against Ritchie.  So, if someone wants to be critical of him, as CinBlueland appears to do, to be taken seriously as making a legitimate and objective complaint, he should produce proof that this is a valid criticism of Ritchie (show some Soros-specific result, as well as a significant amount of his campaign being funded - and obligated - to Soros) and that he is equally critical on the same grounds of conservatives.

 

The buying of conservative legislators in MN and other states is truly a problem of special interest corruption of government, where those special outside interests are served at the expense of Minnesotans.  That cannot fairly be said of Ritchie. It can be said of pretty much our entire MN GOP, the GOP legislators, and of course corrupt people like Mary Kiffmeyer who refuses to admit to knowing who th Koch Brothers are despite their prominent role in ALEC - and she's the big noise for ALEC in MN. What a liar that woman is -- yet she has not been repudiated or criticized for it by the right.

 

Seems like clear hypcrisy and double standard applying to me.

green23
green23 topcommenter

 @CinBlueland  @Dog Gone Six years ago Soros donated money to a national organisation. *Some* of that money went to Ritchie's campaign. And that means that Soros *controls* Ritchie to you? The entire budget of that national organisation was $500k, and was spread across five States. Soros was hardly the only donor to that organisation (Secretary of State Project). Oh, and that organisation doesn't even exist any more. Pretty scary, isn't it?

 

Yet you have no apparent issue with shadowy billionaires financing Bachmann's campaign. Nope, those are decent people who are interested in democracy, right? They can't reveal their identities, of course, because people might get the wrong impression. It's completely reasonable, though, to fixate on a donor that sat out this election cycle and get paranoid about second-hand money *six years ago*. Yeah, that's the *real* issue here.

 

It's pretty clear that right-wing SuperPACs dumped a ton of money into the 2010 and 2012 elections here. And we got a Republican-controlled Legislature that just coincidentally passed two Amendments copied from ALEC. But, yeah, Soros...

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

 @CinBlueland  The easiest way to spot a complete Fox News brainwashed idiot is see if they ever mention George Soros.   What a clown.

green23
green23 topcommenter

@CinBlueland @Dog Gone Yes, when all else fails, invoke Soros. He's a busy guy, with his habit of controlling the planet down to minutiae. Yeah, you really do want a real discussion about "the issues", don't you? Weird how you seem to believe Ritchie when he certifies Republican victories, though. Funny how Soros' immense power doesn't come into play then, isn't it?

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

 @CinBluelandNot sure what you mean about the idea - voter ID is not a good idea, unless you want to go to a 'papers please' country where everyone is supposed to have ID on them at all times, and we go to something like a national ID.  A state ID does nothing, there is not any kind of in person voter fraud problem, and providing that ID to people for free is costly, when we have far more pressing things to spend the money on - like all the bridges that are in similar shape to the I-35 bridge before it fell down.

 

I haven't paid any attention to who funds Ritchie campaigns, but I doubt that any significant funding comes from Soros - perhaps you would provide that documentation.  But so what?

 

There is absolutely NO indication that Ritchie has done a bad job by any objective metric.  He has been an excellent Sec State - WE don't have any of the problem they have had in states with Republican SoSs, like Florida, Arizona, Ohio, Pennsylvania, to name just a few where there were voter lines for hours and hours, and where votes were not counted in a timely fashion and where legitimat voters were struck from the voting rolls.  There is clear evidence that the big money behind Republicans DID pay for voter tampering, like mass mailings and robocalls to mislead voters about their correct polling places or the correct polling dates. Show me where Soros has done that - hint, he hasn't, nor have Democrats as part of national or state campaigns. Republicans have the convictios to prove it - like the Repubican Secretary of State in Indiana, who was convicted of voter fraud (and other crimes) USING A PHOTO ID.  Or the campaign staff of the former Governor of Maryland who were convicted --- I could go on with lots of other examples.  The reality is that the Dems are winning without cheating and the GOP and T-Partiers are bad losers with a fetish for conspiracy theories.

 

Criticism and accusations should have evidence before they're made.  Dan McGrath doesn't have that, and nor do the MN GOPers, so they should NOT be making accusations like that, unless or until they DO.

 

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

 @Dog Gone Thanks DG, a real and non abusive post about this issue. The idea was ok, execution was crap.

 

Still don't trust Soro's backed Ritchie..

 

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