Andy Parrish's response to Newtown school shooting: Arm teachers [UPDATE]

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Screengrab from TV coverage of Newtown shooting
For two prominent local conservatives, more guns, not less, is the way to stop school shootings.
In the wake of today's unspeakably horrible school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, many are calling for a tightening of gun laws.

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But two prominent local conservatives -- Andy Parrish and Mitch Berg -- believe the solution is to take the opposite approach. Today, both have called for teachers to be allowed to carry guns in the classroom.

Here's what Parrish had to say:And here's a blog post published today by Berg, entitled "Another Massacre In Another Gun Free Zone" (links are his):
Another deranged gunman has cut loose in another building full of people forbidden from being able to defend themselves and the children in their "care" by federal law...

How many more children need to die before we realize "gun free zones" don't work?

UPDATE: Count up the number of school shootings we've seen in the past decade and a half, including two in Minnesota (with 11 dead) - all in "gun free zones". What was that "definition of insanity" again?

In Israel, in the seventies, there were a number of attacks by terrorist gunmen on Israeli schools and school buses. The Israelis responded...how? By banning guns in schools, just to keep the law-abiding terrorists in line?

No. They allowed (and on field trips, required) teachers to be armed. And it worked. And it's still working.
:::: UPDATE ::::

2:17 p.m. -- Governor Mark Dayton has issued a response to today's mass shooting in Connecticut.
This dastardly, cold-blooded murder of innocent children and their educators by a deranged individual shocks Minnesotans. All of our children, their parents, and all of their teachers should feel certain every day that their safety is the paramount concern. The deepest condolences of Minnesotans go to the parents and families of the victims of this horrific act.
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KoWT
KoWT

We're fixating too heavily on the weapon, and not enough on the culture that creates the crazed individual wielding it. We need fewer madmen, and we need to keep a closer eye on the ones we do have. Stashing the cultural shortcoming of our society behind an edifice of "guns are evil! it's the guns!" reads like a society in denial, trying to vilify guns if only to avoid coming to grips with the reality that our nation is running a corrupted zero sum game of questionable virtue, and that such games have costs.  

If we were to succeed in getting guns off the streets, how long do you think it would be before some madman lashed with garage made explosives?

senatortombstone
senatortombstone

Well, no teachers were armed and we saw what happened. Perhaps had there been armed teachers, the outcome and body count would have remained the same, or it maybe it would have been lessened and more people would still be alive. Unfortunately, these are only "what ifs," as we cannot rewind, arm teachers, and see what would have ensued. But no matter what would have ensued, it could not have been worse than what did. However, even if an armed teacher shot and killed Adam Lanza, or better yet, if the principal had been armed and shot him before he shot her, the hysterical anti-gun reactions would still be the same. Stricter laws are not going to prevent determined lunatics from committing mass murder with guns, but they will make it harder for law abiding citizens to defend themselves from such attacks. Guns exist, they have for hundreds of years and will continue to do so, until more efficient weapons are invented to replace them. To prevent innocent, law abiding citizens from possessing them, is to deprive them of a potentially life-saving instrument. Politicians who support and pass gun control legislation and the anti-gun lobby share culpability in the deaths of innocents, who might still be alive today had they been armed. In economics, people whose economic conditions are unknowingly worsened by bad policy are known as invisible victims. An example of this would be a teenager who never got a job because he was priced out of it, because it was never even available to him, due to an increase in the minimum wage to an amount that makes it economically nonviable for an employer to hire teenagers with no work experience. The teenager is a victim, but doesn't know it, because he never knew that such a job would have existed for him, in the absence of strict minimum wage laws. The reverse could be said to be true for victims of gun violence. Had teachers at Virginia Tech, Columbine, and Sandy Hook Elementary been armed, then the shootings that took place there might have ended earlier, with a smaller body count, or perhaps the shooters' knowledge that they faced an armed faculty might have halted their plans and prevented their attacks. Again, we cannot know this for certain, but it is a possibility. 

whittemore.brett
whittemore.brett

If you think banning guns or even certain types of gun is the answer than tell me how well banning certain types of drugs has been working for us. The bad guys don't care about laws. They will get their hands on them anyway. teachers would have to be trained and would have to qualify with their firearms regularly before they would be allowed to carry at work just like every other armed position in the country. And if having trained professionals carry firearms in schools is so dangerous than why do so many schools have armed resource officers?

keny1
keny1

I loved the fake tears that drained off of Obama's purple-lipped face.  He will quickly forget about this tragedy tomorrow and will blame Bush for this.  Then he will remind us that this tragedy is due to people not paying "their fair share".  

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

One thing is for sure, this school and dist are going to be sued into oblivion. 

They had updated their security this year, and anyone entering would have to be buzzed in, after being verified on cam. How exactly someone carrying an assault rifle could gain access is the question.

mark.gisleson
mark.gisleson

Mitch, fuck you. It's one thing to be an ass, it's another thing entirely to piss on 27 still-warm corpses with your flatulent self-important need to have an opinion on everything all the time. They're not your kids so just shut the fuck up until they've been buried.

Jeff Hames
Jeff Hames

My first thought was "who is Andy Parrish?". Now I know and I don't give a crap what he tweeted. Nice work on giving him the publicity City Pages.

Sean Foster
Sean Foster

We waited a little while after the last one. And a little while after the one before that. Maybe it's time to stop praying and time to start debating.

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

These gun-fantasists are unbelievable.  Except they really believe their own fantasies.  My wife works in the schools, in an elementary Special Ed classroom.  There is no way on Earth that she could safely have a firearm at work.  No Way.  These arguments come from movie fantasy, and a fabricated "study" made by John Lott, who when asked to provide his data, pretended his hard drive had crashed and his data were irretrievable.  Still, that made-up non-study is cited over and over again to "prove" that more guns makes society safer.  Then there's the canard that a would-be mass-murderer could use a car, or a bomb, or something else to commit these awful crimes.  Sure, they could, but they don't, because they have all these guns, all this ammo, and all this body armor.  When the maniac in China stabbed 22 kids yesterday, they didn't die.

Without limiting access to high-capacity assault weapons, maybe the only way to be safer is to arm up oneself.  Or, wait a minute, nobody needs high-capacity assault weapons unless they intend to kill a lot of people.  Maybe if we didn't have millions of them available for purchase in every town, it would be harder to kill a lot of people?  These guys aren't using shotguns, or revolvers, or long rifles.  They're using machine-pistols and military assault weapons.  So the answer is for the rest of us to have them too?  Occam's Razor suggests otherwise.

Mike Nordquist
Mike Nordquist

You'll never be able to ban crazy. If it's not guns, it'll be homemade bombs. Anyone capable of carrying out a premeditated act like this will find a way. We do need to tighten security in schools, regardless of budget.

Jay Boller
Jay Boller

This article existing is fucking gross. Really, City Pages, really?

dmindeman06
dmindeman06

It astounds me that people could believe that the answer to guns is MORE guns.  You can't stop violence with the threat of equal and opposite violence.  Gun purchases are just too easy.  Background checks are glossed over.  Keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and domestic violence perpetrators are just not getting done.  Gun show loopholes are prevalent and have to be closed.  In fact, gun shows themselves have to be restricted more.  These stand your ground vigilante laws should be banned.  Conceal and carry needs to be cut back.  And, please, the assault weapons ban needs to be reimplemented.  These are just common sense ideas which the NRA fights at every mention.  Adding more guns to schools and other publc places just opens up more deaths from the crossfire and itchy triggers looking for a chance to let loose.  Prevention is the only answer and we have a long way to go.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@whittemore.brett  They're not the same.

Banning guns in other countries comparable to us has worked.  It stopped the problem of mass shootings.

It has nothing to do with bad guys getting their hands on guns anyway - if they are less available, they are less available. That is a stupid argument. The criminals are not getting their hands on guns in countries that have very strictly limited them. PERIOD.

There were armed security at Columbine, Red Lake, and other schools where there have been mass shootings. It did not stop the shooting.  There have been armed citizens at other mass shootings - not one has stopped one of those mass shootings, but there have been people killed and injured who tried to do so with their personal weapons. 

There was a concealed carrier at the shooting in the Oregon mall.  He was a small distance from the shooter, drew his gun, and did not shoot, because there were too many people too close to the shooter to do so safely.  The shooter looked right at him, and at his gun, an not long after killed himself - as many of these shooters do, like the guy in CT.

However much you want to believe more people carrying and more people owning guns make us safer, if that was true, we wouldn't have the levels of gun violence we do.  The only thing that more guns do, as evidenced by the states with the most lenient gun laws, is leads to more gun violence.

Do more research for yourself into the mass shootings from reliable sources.

Then let go the right wing delusional ideology that more guns make us more safe.  It doesn't work, however much you think it is obvious or intuitively so. The facts are not even a little bit vague on this; it is a fantasy about guns that is at the core of our gun culture that they make anything better. They don't.

bungatron
bungatron

@whittemore.brett THE ONLY WAY TO STOP RAPE IS TO HAVE MORE RAPISTS! Q! E! D!

Next up, Brett solves the Middle East peace issues by shooting everyone. GORDIAN KNOT? I JUST REACH FOR MY GLOCK!

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@whittemore.brett   Drugs are cheap and easy to mass produce.  They are consumed daily by users and promise huge profits for low investment.  Guns are expensive to produce and require specialized labor (gun smiths) and hard to acquire raw materials. (steel)    Who would mass produce guns to sell to criminals?    Who would buy enough guns to justify a criminal enterprise risking tons of money to produce them?    Teens from the suburbs buy weed.  They don't buy guns.  Learn something about economics because you are so fucking stupid its astounding.  Stupid idiots like you who refuse to think about things logically enable pyschos to shoot up schools.  Your stupidity kills children.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@keny1 Except that no he won't.  He is on his way today - Sunday - to Connecticut, the way he went to Tucson.  This may finally be the event where he can successfully get consensus for action.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@CinBlueland   I doubt it - the shooter shot his way in. No one 'let him in'.

keny1
keny1

@CinBlueland  I was just thinking that myself.  There is something funky going on here.  If the mother of the shooter was killed at home (allegedly by him) before she was scheduled to be at work (she was a teacher at the school), then what motive would he have had to go and kill innocent students and faculty?  Even more mysterious was the fact that the guns were registered to the mother.  And as you said, who the hell would let a guy in the school with an assault rifle?  

jinxmchue
jinxmchue

@mark.gisleson I bet you don't feel the same about all these holier-than-thou Hollyweird celebs and news people who've been using this tragedy all day to rant about more gun control.

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

@mark.gisleson Mark, you realize it's kind of Mitch's job to have an opinion.? Actually met and used to work with him, he's pretty neutral in person and won't talk politics at all.

keny1
keny1

@mark.gisleson  Just like your self-important need to have an opinion on everything all the time?  

sbell7105
sbell7105

@swmnguy Machine pistols and military assault rifles are not easily accessible LEGALLY without jumping through a ton of hoops plus fully automatic weapons (example machine pistols and military assault rifles) cost thousands of dollars. The Virginia Tech shooter used 9mm and .22 caliber pistols while columbine shooters used 12 Guage shotguns and 9mm pistols, but go ahead and bend the truth as you see fit to make your point.

jinxmchue
jinxmchue

@swmnguy "When the maniac in China stabbed 22 kids yesterday, they didn't die."

Oh, well, that makes it completely sensible, then.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@Mike Nordquist   Very stupid thing to say.  By your logic there should be no laws because they don't stop crime 100%.   

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@Jay Boller This article freaked me out, too.  But Andy Parrish wasted no time to say this stuff publicly.  It's important to report what the guy, who has a lot of cloud in some circles, went out of his way to put across.

whittemore.brett
whittemore.brett

@dmindeman06 so why isn't there a problem with "itchy triggers looking for a chance to let loose" in places where people are allowed to carry firearms? have you ever noticed these mass shooting always seem to happen in "gun free" areas like schools hospitals and shopping malls

jinxmchue
jinxmchue

@dmindeman06 "more deaths from the crossfire and itchy triggers looking for a chance to let loose"

Utter b.s.

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

@MicheleBachmann @whittemore.brett MB once again you show what an idot you are. Basic metal smithing, simple stock and a lathe. Well that;s for a real gun.. Suicide run like this idiot, improvised explosives are really easy

jo1glex
jo1glex

@keny1  Obviously the mother needed the guns for self-defense.  Worked out pretty well for her, wouldn't you say.

mark.gisleson
mark.gisleson

@jinxmchue @mark.gisleson Got me there. Yes, I have spent the last forty years of my life laboring in the progressive trenches on issues like unionism, Apartheid, oil wars, and economic justice solely for the purpose of supporting people I've never met in Hollywood, which is in a state I've never been to but yes, all my life's work has been for the greater glory of Barbra Streisand.

Asshole.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@CinBlueland @mark.gisleson  I've known him for 20 years. He is quite charming in person, and yes, he will talk politics at the drop of a hat.

mark.gisleson
mark.gisleson

@CinBlueland @mark.gisleson I said it because I know Mitch, Mitch knows me. I would defend Mitch's right to speak privately about politics, but there is no right to attach yourself to tragedy like a zebra mussel to a Viking funeral boat. 

But if Mitch wants to act out like a local Al Sharpton, so be it. He knows what I think and I was just saying my piece, just like Mitch did. Mitch just told two score parents that the right of everyone to own guns is more important than their children's right to be alive and spending the Christmas season with their families. I'm saying Mitch is out of line. 

Oh, and Al Sharpton sent the Newton families his prayers. I guess Mitch just prays for more guns — hallelujah and pass the ammunition!

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@sbell7105

OK, Fine.  Whatever.  You're quibbling over details, which actually reinforces my point.  

Suppose I wanted a gun to defend my home.  Do I need some kind of gun that can shoot that many rounds?  Obviously not.  Nobody needs a gun that can throw out that many rounds.  I don't care what caliber or action it is.  I might have to fill out some forms and wait a little while but I could LEGALLY stock an arsenal in my house before New Year's.  Easily.

The point is, these guys are mostly young men around 20 years old, which is the age when serious mental illness becomes apparent.  They've been acting weird for a while but there's no workable mechanism to get them help and the diseases they have feature a fanatical resistance to getting help, due to paranoia, etc.  Then these guys LEGALLY buy the kinds of weapons that make it possible to kill large numbers of people in a short time.  Dead kids don't care what kind of gun it was.

The only reason these guys can get these guns is that the manufacturers are making a huge amount of money selling them.  Nobody needs them.  The purpose of them is only to kill large numbers of people, so it could be said that they are being used as intended.   The manufacturers, and their politicians, are stoking racial and economic-based fears, catering to a culture that idolizes mass violence, and then washing their hands when their products are used as designed.

I could defend my home with an old time shotgun that holds a couple of shells.  Or a small revolver.  Better yet, with a light switch, a recording of a large dog barking, a small baseball bat, and a can of longe-range hornet spray.  We didn't used to have all these guns that can fire 20 shots without reloading, and what do you know?  We didn't have all these mass shootings, either.  

And our mental health care system, like the rest of our health care system, is a cruel, killing joke.

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@jinxmchue You know exactly what I meant.  Stabbed is horrible, but better than dead.  Or do you disagree?

dmindeman06
dmindeman06

Two examples from here in Minnesota: Little Falls - the guy didn't protect his home, he "executed" two people.  Another grandfather shot his granddaughter because he suspected her to be a prowler.

Have gun - will shoot.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@CinBlueland  You are a troll idiot loser who values guns more than children's lives.   Zip guns shoot one bullet at a time.  When they are made by idiot criminals they function poorly and have a much higher rate of misfire than factory made semiautomatic weapons like this psycho had.  They are not easily made by the mentally ill.  This killer would have never been able to kill so many people so fast with a zip gun.   You are a terrible, stupid, evil person who refuses to learn or change no matter how many dead children are the result of your stupid thoughts.  Your thoughts are nothing but evil stupid nonsense.   Your insane love of guns kills children. 

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

But not apparently satisfying to the shooter.  That would have been easier, but yet he didn't go that route. The assumption that substitutions will be used doesn't hold up in practice.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@CinBlueland @MicheleBachmann @whittemore.brett  Except that apparently the CT shooter checked out the pipe bombs made by the Columbine shooters, and gave up on the idea because they were not that easy to make, and they didn't work in Columbine.

bungatron
bungatron

@CinBlueland @MicheleBachmann @whittemore.brett so easy, in fact, we see the use of home-made weapons and improvised explosives on a daily basis. Right? Bueller?

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

@MicheleBachmann @CinBlueland Well you really are a special kind of idiot. Zip guns are easy. Do you plan outlawing gasoline as well? 10 gallons would have been more effective.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@CinBlueland  That's all it takes to mass produce guns?  Bullets?  No specialized labor?   A 13 year old can sell weed.  How would you sell and produce guns illegally?   Please explain the business model.  Who is going to buy all these guns?  how are you going to make enough profits to risk life in prison?  What are guns made out of?   how easy is it to buy gun raw materials without getting noticed.   We can't buy cough medicine anymore.   I'm pretty sure we could shut down gun manufacturing.    

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@swifty4utube @swmnguy  Actually, a lot of mass shooters are in their 30s and 40s, but most are white men.  I think there was exactly 1 woman in the past decade or so who committed one of these mass shootings.

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@swifty4utube What?  Here's a "cold hard fact": Silly troll is silly and doesn't make sense.  

swifty4utube
swifty4utube

@swmnguy "The point is, these guys are mostly young men around 20 years old,which is the age when serious mental illness becomes apparent."

You mean the damage 12 years of leftist indoctrination in government schools becomes apparent. You and your ilk are driving our kids insane, and that's the cold hard fact. 

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@jinxmchue  Because nobody died in the China knife attack.  Because a gun wasn't used.  As I said in the OP.  Again, you know exactly what I mean.

jinxmchue
jinxmchue

@swmnguy I don't think even you knew what you meant.  Why single out the China knife attack?  What about the 2010 mass shooting in England where they have very strict gun control?  Or Anders Breivik's rampage in Norway?

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