Macalester President Rosenberg urges boycott of semi automatic-supporting politicians

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Rosenberg on politicians: "To withhold money is to speak in a language they will understand."
In "A Pledge," Macalester President Brian Rosenberg urges citizens to work toward preventing another Newtown school shooting by refusing to give money to any political candidate who doesn't support the prohibition of semi-automatic rifles.

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"What you do -- what I now do -- is resolve to act according to a single, simple principle: I will give no money to any candidate for local, state, or national political office who does not openly and actively support a ban on the legal possession of military-style assault weapons," Rosenberg writes in the op-ed, which was published by the Huffington Post.

Here's an excerpt (click link above to read the whole thing):
This should not be a Democratic or a Republican issue. One can be for or against smaller government, for or against higher tax rates for the wealthy, for or against single-payer health care, for or against the legalization of same-sex marriage. One can believe or not in the reality of human-generated climate change.

None of this should prevent our coming together to declare that there is no conceivable reason for the mother of Adam Lanza to be in legal possession of the .223 caliber, semi-automatic Bushmaster rifle that was used in the Newtown massacre--a military weapon designed for quick reloading and to inflict enormous and rapid devastation. And so it did.

I understand that banning such weapons is not the sole answer to the profound questions raised by the Sandy Hook killings. We need to be shaken out of our national apathy on the question of how best to treat those with severe mental health problems, and we need to examine closely our distinctive national culture of violence.

But we also need to begin somewhere, and I will allow no preposterous arguments about slippery slopes or government plots to steal our liberties to prevent my beginning here. I will listen quietly to no more arguments about "people killing people" rather than "guns killing people," because the reality is that certain kinds of guns allow people to kill people much more easily and rapidly and that in societies in which such guns are banned--meaning pretty much everywhere but the United States--fewer people, fewer children, are murdered.
A counter-argument to Rosenberg was presented in our post from yesterday, "John Monson, owner of Bill's Gun Shop: 'The bad guys don't really care what the law is.'" In 2004, just as a 10-year federal ban on certain types of assault weapons was expiring, Monson argued the federal prohibition was ineffective and said he believed people who wanted to obtain military-style weapons and use them violently found ways to get them, laws be damned.

But we'd imagine Rosenberg would reply that even if that's true, we as a society should do everything possible to make obtaining those guns as hard as possible. And in that respect, he thinks there's lots of work to do and no more time for excuses.

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keny1
keny1

Ok, for those of you who are so adamant about not owning a gun and see no sense in having one,why don't you post your address? That way everyone will know which residences are an easy mark. And then while you're getting your ass completely beaten during the break-in let's see what you think about having a handgun for self defense THEN. Oh, I know, you'll dial 9-1-1. News flash...the police are probably a good 10 minutes away. It'll only take maybe 30 seconds for an intruder to beat you into a coma and leave you crippled for life. But at least you stood up for your morally superior convictions.Tell me, how do you think your family will feel about visiting you in a nursing home watching you being fed through a straw.

Idiots.

Keith Morioka
Keith Morioka

This is Bushmaster's description of the AR-15: "From law enforcement, military and home-defense applications to hunting and competition shooting, there’s a Bushmaster rifle or carbine to fill the need. Renowned for performance, reliability and innovation, it’s no wonder that Bushmaster’s AR-15 firearms are highly sought after. We’re pleased to offer these firearms based on the Bushmaster AR-15, and all have Bushmaster’s one-year warranty. " Law enforcement? Military? Why does someone in the public realm need something that is meant for law enforcement or the military? I'm sure that if you ask a cop if the AR-15 should be in the public realm, I'm pretty sure that 99% would say no. Why? because they don't want people to use the same kind of firepower they have against them.

Keith Morioka
Keith Morioka

Um, wow. Really? Not everyone hunts with semi-automatic shotguns, so I don't know how you went from banning semi-automatic "sporting" rifles to banning hunting itself. And do shotguns use high capacity magazines? No. It's not the same thing. NOT EVERY HANDGUN is semi-automatic either. Just ban semi-automatic handguns that can use high capacity magazines, and also ban high capacity magazines themselves.

Nicholas S. Goers
Nicholas S. Goers

Shot guns are semi-auto as well.... So are you going to ban hunting? hand guns are semi-auto, are you going to ban EVERY hand gun as well?

Keith Morioka
Keith Morioka

Really? That's your argument? Don't call it an assault rifle because you can assault anyone with any gun? It's not the "assault" part that it is the key factor in banning this rifle and others like it. It's the "Semi-Automatic" part...

Nicholas S. Goers
Nicholas S. Goers

Tell me why everyone continues to call AR15 Sporting Rifles - Assault Rifles. You can ASSAULT anyone with any gun! Get a clue!

Matthias Weigel
Matthias Weigel

And for that matter, you need to register a car, get a license and have insurance. Any of that necessary to buy a gun? No!

Patrick Murphy
Patrick Murphy

Best college president there is. Take a seat, Nick Gianni Marotta. PBR'll take you to school with knowledge bombs any day of the week.

Keith Morioka
Keith Morioka

And since you bring up cars as being a "weapon." So, let's just say a car is the equivalent to a gun, an SUV/Truck is an equivalent to a shotgun or hunting rifle. Now, the equivalent to a semi-automatic assault rifle is a tank. Are tanks legal to drive on the street? No. Are tanks something ordinary citizens can have? No. Everything has a range, of what should be legal in the public realm and what shouldn't. For public safety's sake, just some things are banned, and for good reason. Semi-automatic weapons should be banned...

_Joe_
_Joe_

The civy version of the ar15 operates exactly the same as a semi-automatic hunting rifle, so are we going to ban those too?

Good luck with that.  Let me know how it works out for you.

I won't be supporting *any* politician whose knee jerk reaction is to pass a bill without research. 

Keith Morioka
Keith Morioka

Really Dean? A cars purpose is to transport people. A guns purpose is to kill. That's it's ONLY purpose. Secondly, tell me why ANYONE NEEDS a semi-automatic assault rifle? You can hunt without it being a semi-automatic weapon, you can protect yourself without it being a semi-automatic weapon. The best answer that ANYONE has come up with so far for possessing a semi-automatic weapon is "it's fun to shoot." Really? Tell that to the parents of the 20 kids in CT...

Dean P. Cummings
Dean P. Cummings

If this guy was serious about saving lives, he'd pledge not to support any candidate who wasn't calling for a ban on cars that travel more than 10 mph.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

President Rosenberg is the leader of an elite university making our state millions of dollars while making the world a better more educated place.  John Monson makes money off of selling guns.  The guns John Monson sells has been used countless times to slaughter innocent people.    Every time a killer uses a gun to slaughter lots of people quickly people like John Monson says nothing should change.   Every time we listen to people like John Monson something new and horrible happens and more people end up dead.  If we do nothing these things will keep happening.   How stupid are we as a society that we listen to people like John Monson while ignoring great people like President Rosenberg?   Did more guns prevent more Columbines?  Gun laws won't stop all murders but making guns less deadly will make it much harder for someone to kill 26 people.  Screw John Monson and his profits.   Let's listen to the guy that makes money off of making the world a better place, not the guy that profits off of selling AR 15s. 

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

In other news, water still wet.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@_Joe_   Please explain why anyone needs an AR 15 like Adam Lanza used to slaughter those children.   Please tell me how the slaughter of 20 children is worth private ownership of the AR 15?  Since you love research so much please explain why:  

"The Harvard Injury Control Research Center assessed the literature onguns and homicide and found that there’s substantial evidence thatindicates more guns means more murders. This holds true whether you’relooking at different countries or different states."

15 of the 25 most deadly mass killings worldwide have happened in the United States.  Finland is in 2nd place with 2.  

England has strict gun control laws.  In 2011 Englad had 648 murders nationwide.  9% of them were commited with a gun.   In the United States 67.5% of all homicides involve a handgun.   

Please tell me what a politician should do with that research?

eric.jl.larson
eric.jl.larson

@MicheleBachmann Also think about all of the people that tried to shield those children. If just 1 of them had had a handgun the shooter would have been stopped. Taking guns away from the innocent does not protect us. It makes us lambs for slaughter. Criminals are still going to have weapons no matter if you make assult weapons illegal or not.

eric.jl.larson
eric.jl.larson

@MicheleBachmann The Law shouldn't be changed to get rid of assault weapons. The law should be changed to make the consequences of leaving an unlocked weapon in your house much more harsh. If you've noticed all these shootings have been caused by weapons that have been taken from the home not bought or sold. Placing a ban on assault rifles wouldn't stop anything. You could just go buy a semi automatic shotgun and they could do the same thing it doesn't matter if it's semi auto or not a good shooter could rechamber a round just as fast. If you want to change something makes response times for law enforcement personnel faster. Take out the shooter not the weapon that's what I was taught.

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

@MicheleBachmann " actively support a ban on the legal possession of military-style assault weapons" For a University president he's kinda dumb. Everyone knows Mil style, just look scary, they work the exact same way as any other semi auto.  Basically he want's another useless law. I can buy one with a wooden stock, and wooden fore guard, and buy the "scary parts" after market.  The parts are cosmetic and have zero to do with actual operation.

Furthermore, will the enlightened President of the Mac please share with his thoughts on Chicago where guns are banned, yet murder rates continue to climb?

MB, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. All I've seen in the past few days is people screaming to "Pass a law" without putting any thought into it. 

_Joe_
_Joe_

@MicheleBachmann As usual, you've missed the point entirely.  My point was that the AR15 operates exactly the same as a semi-automatic hunting rifle like the Remington 750 Woodmaster.  It just LOOKS different.  I worry that a rushed bill put forth by opportunist politicians that don't *really* understand what they are talking about will be too broad, vague, and have unintended results.

There is too much variation from state to state, so I agree we need tougher minimum federal requirements.  And we need to make sure that all weapons sold at gun shows get the proper BATF screening.  But those screenings only work when there is data to be found.  If any legislation is to be passed, a bill that strengthens mental health treatment and ongoing data tracking for people that need it will do a lot more than telling everyone they just can't buy certain types of guns anymore.  And you certainly can't retroactively make ownership illegal.  People spend over a grand on a quality rifle, and aren't likely to give them up easily.  That is why pre-1996 ban era weapons are still legal to own.  So even if you want to ban a rifle based on it's looks, there are still hundreds of thousands of them out there and they aren't going anywhere.  It only makes it harder for responsible law-abiding citizens to access them.  People that don't care about breaking the law or legal ownership won't be deterred.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@eric.jl.larson Adam Lanza targeted the children because there was no guns there.  People don't want to carry guns all the time.  If the teachers were armed he would have targeted elsewhere.  A swimming pool, an old folks home, a concert, a hospital.  Anywhere where large groups of people gather.  how you going to have guns in the swimming pool stupid?   The Ft. Hood guy attacked a military base.  They had fucking tanks you idiot.  That didn't stop that psycho from killing a bunch of people.   The guns he had made it easy.   Please explain how Ft. Hood happened if more guns solves this world's stupidest person.  Your stupid thinking kills children. 

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@CinBlueland  All we have seen since Columbine is idiots like you sticking your head in the sand and pretending nothing needs to change.   Who cares that he isn't an expert on exactly what kind of death machine you crazy freaks think you need.  How about guns that only shoot when the owner's fingerprint is on the grip?   how about guns that can only shoot once before requiring a reload?   All of those would solve the problem of making it as easy as possible to kill lots of people fast.   If you need more than one shot, you aren't a good hunter anyway so you should quit.   

keny1
keny1

@CinBlueland As of today, 2597 people have been shot in Chicago this year, and almost 500 of them died.  63 of the dead were school age children.  And none of the deaths were caused by assault weapons: all hand guns.  So, yeah, I guess banning assault rifles will reduce the number of gun related deaths.  :)

_Joe_
_Joe_

@MicheleBachmann I'm not ignoring it.  I'm just not commenting on it because it is not relevant to the comment I made.  If you want to have a conversation with yourself, be my guest.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@_Joe_  I notice you ignore the murder data on the United States vs. England.  Guns make murder easier.  Guns are more deadly than knives.  The stats say guns cause murder and death.  Sticking your head in the sand is killing kids.  

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@keny1 Not smart enough to actually debate.  Stupid racist trash like you is so pathetic.  You aren't smart enough so you fall back on sexist juvenile taunts.  You are a stupid evil fucking loser.  Lucky for the world no one listens to stupid trash like you.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@CinBlueland  Yeah, he killed everyone before the MPs showed up.  How long was the response time? Minutes?  Seconds?    The guns he had made it easy to do. These psychos target the vulnerable.  You admit that's what the Ft. Hood guy did.  That's what Lanza did. You think the 1st grade teacher or the 6 year old can stop a grown man with a gun?   That's what the psycho did in Colorado. He set off smoke bombs, people didn't know it was a massacre until the guns were going off.  You going to have heavily armed people everywhere on Earth you fucking idiot?   These psychos attacked where there was no guns and they killed people quick.  More guns don't fix that.  Less deadly guns do.  A PSYCHO MURDERED TONS OF PEOPLE ON A MILITARY BASE.   How are you going to stop this if you can't keep people safe on a fucking military base you stupid stupid asshole?  

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

@MicheleBachmann @eric.jl.larson Wow, you're not even keeping up on the news. The guy had serious emotional issues. All indicators show he was worried about being locked up so he killed his mom, he killed the children because he was jealous and thought his mother loved them more than him.. He was a deeply disturbed individual who shouldnt have been on the streets. 

Ft Hood happened because troops are not allowed to carry weapons on base moron! The mall area is just like a civilian mall / shopping area. They had to wait for the MPs to show up. And he did it with pistols, not scary assault weapons.

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

@MicheleBachmann @CinBlueland I never said nothing needs to change, but knee jerk reactionary laws haven't helped in the past. (There was an assault gun ban after Columbine) Didn't change a thing, banning something based on it's looks hasn't helped. About the only thing that has changed since then that has probably had a positive effect would be anti-bullying rules and laws. 

Another Clinton legacy issue, is / was the shutting down of large mental institutions (Remember Moose Lake) Instead of keeping little psychotics like this one under supervision they release them to family care with little or no treatment other than a monthly visit and drugs. 

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@keny1 @CinBlueland  Since Chicago passed their handgun law murders have gone steadily down year after year.  In 1992 there was 943 murders in Chicago.  In 2010 there was 436.   Looks like strict gun laws worked liars.   Because you two are stupid liars that like getting kids killed you either don't know know or are lying about the present state of Chicago's gun laws.  Their gun laws were thrown out by the Supreme Court in 2010.  Remember how they had 436 murders?   So far in 2012 they have 488.  Looks like criminals like being able to get guns easier.  Looks like gun laws work according to the numbers.   I know you two lying idiots won' bother to rebut because you are evil scum that need guns so you can pretend you don't have micro penises.  Keep being stupid and getting kids killed by psychos scumbags.

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