Minnesota law already allows teachers to carry guns in classrooms

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Cornish says he knows teachers who are already in the habit of packing heat in the classroom.
In the wake of the Newtown school shooting, Andy Parrish advocated for arming Minnesota teachers. Gun rights advocate Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Vernon Center, said days later he'd introduce legislation toward that end this session.

SEE ALSO: Michele Bachmann's favorite gun is the Bushmaster AR-15 used in Newtown [VIDEO]

Turns out, new legislation isn't needed. A provision in Minnesota law already allows teachers to bring guns in the classroom if they have the permission of the school principal or their district's top administrator, according to a KARE report.

From KARE:
Minnesota law allows teachers with valid [carry] permits to bring their weapons into school with the advance, written permission of the school principal or top administrator.

It's unknown how many teachers have taken advantage of that relatively obscure provision in the state law, because it is not tracked by local police agencies or the Minnesota Department of Public Safety.
That "relatively obscure provision" was also alluded to in a Cornish op-ed published today in the Star Tribune entitled, "Schools Need Guns."

People who reject the notion that more guns in schools could be a good thing "don't seem to realize that armed teachers have been allowed by state law for years in Minnesota and that some have taken advantage of it," Cornish writes. "I know there are teachers who carry while instructing."

In his op-ed, Cornish says he backs the NRA's proposal to put an armed guard in every school "100 percent," adding that he's "not an NRA pawn, and I don't take a dime from them, directly or through other channels."

"If colleges can pay their coaches millions per year and even our small schools can pour thousands into sports programs, they can afford part of an officer's salary," Cornish writes. "If you think a school shooter is going to drop his evil plan because he wakes up and sees he has to buy a 10-round magazine instead of a 30-round magazine, keep dreaming. It's more ineffective, 'feel-good' legislation."

But while it doesn't require anything more than administrative approval for teachers to pack heat, the cost of putting a paid armed guard in each of Minnesota's 1,968 public schools would be substantial.

According to a Strib report, if each guard were paid $70,500, the cost of implementing the NRA's plan here in Minnesota would be $138 million.


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31 comments
mexica1977
mexica1977

Lets start arming students also, not just teachers cuz they might end up shooting its own students. there are alot of incompetent teachers specially in Worthington ISD518 Worthington Mn. A 2nd grade teachers by the name of Sarah Winter blaming student that he stole money and was constantly bashing him that to tell his mother that he stole the money. We do not need individuals like these person. Ignorant prick, playing with childs mind and playing the self blame game. It seems that Worthington ISD518 is incompetent as its teacher Mrs.Winters. I am glad i am in the lonestar state which education is way better than in Mn, no racism what so ever.

Pinko Thinker
Pinko Thinker

yea, can you imagine what would happen if somebody tried to shoot up an army base or something? everybody's got guns there. that would never work. nobody could ever pull off a successful shooting spree in a place like say, Fort Hood, or y'know... someplace like that where everybody is armed and trained in the use of firearms. that could never happen.

Sara Mobrei
Sara Mobrei

How about they put a licensed psychologist in every school instead? Might save students from more issues than just shootings. Suicide, parental abuse, and other issues could also be addressed. Making guns a part of what kids see in their daily life is not going to deter them from reaching for one when they are troubled. Every day I am more convinced I should keep my kid in private school.

Angela Salzl
Angela Salzl

We had one in my high school and let me tell you all the little problem kids with their attitudes and fighting and bein all around shit starters finally shut their damn mouths and behaved when they put the armed officer on staff. I thought it was a wonderful addition to the staff and had I not experienced the benefits I probably would disagree with it.

Vicki Hereim Poole
Vicki Hereim Poole

I like our kids being protected,but y not just put a recruiting office in the schools,2 birds with 1 stone..and our kids would learn more about how OUR military is there for us, and get more educated on future goals.most little kids have respect for our uniformed men and women, however,most kids would be scared of an armed guard at school doors.

Matthias Weigel
Matthias Weigel

So who is going to pay for the SWAT type training that the teachers will need? Oh, and does that mean that they will get paid accordingly too? Close quarters combat requires some pretty intense skills; simply packing heat is not exactly going to do it. Love those idiot politicians that don't actually think a situation through...

Matt Touchette
Matt Touchette

Elk River high school had a police liaison officer when I was there a few years back, but I think they have since cut his hours on site due to spending cuts. This isn't a new idea and is already in place at many schools (both private and public) across the nation. In the end, though, it only helps to fix a symptom, not the disease.

Tony Miller
Tony Miller

Bloomington Jefferson has had a police officer there since I attended in 2001.

Wesley Anderson
Wesley Anderson

I would rather pay for more awareness and treatment of mental disease than armed guards at schools.

David Gustafson
David Gustafson

And he's willing to raise your taxes to pay for it? And name that tax raise after himself? Wow. Your political courage at work.

webcelt
webcelt

Cornish's point about the money paid to college coaches is a pointless point. It's not like that money is available to public schools. Might as well say schools can afford guards because the pentagon pays x amount to the generals.

One point Cornish and the NRA don't care to address is that most gun massacres happen in places other than schools. So maybe the effect of putting guards in schools is we'll get more movie theaters shot up. How about we do the screamingly obvious and outlaw the large magazines?

Sallyjos
Sallyjos

He mentions Mankato's school public safety officers, but doesn't talk about how cuts to local government aid at one point took that support down to one officer for the entire school system (two high schools, plus the middle and grade schools).  So no gun regulation,  but a burden shifted to teachers and local government.  

 But I suppose blaming the coaches' salaries at the U is smarter politically for Tony than looking at his own role in "reforms" that shifted more costs of  public safety to local government. Sure, let's end high school sports programs and lockdown the schools, rather than look at gun regulation. Wow.

_Joe_
_Joe_

@Pinko Thinker Idiot.  NOBODY was armed there.  Weapons aren't allowed in the area where the shooting took place, which is why no one was able to stop him until the MPs showed up.

CinBlueland
CinBlueland

@Sara Mobrei  Sara, there are over 130 counselors in the Hennepin school dist. Doesn't appear to be helping.

CinBlueland
CinBlueland

@Matthias Weigel Really SWAT training? Talk about a strawman argument. Two things are required. A. Basic firearm training, B. A person willing to engage a human target. 

The first is fairly easy maybe an hour ever other week for 6 mos, after that refresher every 6 months. 

The second is much harder, are you willing to kill to protect the innocent?

CinBlueland
CinBlueland

@Wesley Anderson So if a nut breaks into a school where your children are, who do you want there, an armed guard or someone who wants to give them a star for doing their best?

I'm sure glad we shut down places like Moose Lake.. People with severe mental issues really should be just let out in the public. .. But hey we're more compassionate now.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@_Joe_ Yeah so he was able to find a hole in the system to target the most vulnerable.  Even on a place where no one should think of attacking he was able to kill a ton of people.   Only an idiot thinks more guns is the solution.  Less deadly guns save lives.  No one needs guns that hold even 5 bullets.  No one needs a gun that can shoot as fast as the guns these psychos use.  The guns you defend kill kids.  They don't hunt deer.  They make it easy for psychos to kill lots of people fast. 

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@CinBlueland @Matthias Weigel  Who is going to pay for it stupid?  Answer his question because that question isn't straw man.   Armed guards didn't work at Columbine.   The idea is stupid and you are stupid to defend it. 

_Joe_
_Joe_

@MicheleBachmann Also, I have NEVER "defended assault weapons and defended changing nothing about existing gun laws before"

I challenge you to prove it.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@_Joe_ You did touch a nerve.  I hate gun nut trolls like you.  People like you kill kids.    You are too stupid to defend your opinions so all you do is call people idiots while refusing to actually respond to what they say.  I make all your weak ass stupid arguments look dumb.  You can't do the same so you troll.  I'm sure you learned it from your smelly truck stop hooker mom.

_Joe_
_Joe_

@MicheleBachmann LOL.  Guess I touched a nerve there, huh?  I won't defend myself from your fantasies.  How can I?  I never know what you'll think I said next!

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@_Joe_ Now you are just being dishonest.  I know you have defended assault weapons and defended changing nothing about existing gun laws before.  My response was focused on your stupid point about Ft. Hood.  There are plenty of armed guards on a military base.   I'm sure the lack of armed guards was not the problem at Ft. Hood.  It just proves no matter how many guns there are at a place people will still be vulnerable to a pyscho with a gun that shoots lots of bullets fast.   If you don't have enough armed guards at a military base then how will you ever have enough armed guards stupid?  I notice you aren't smart enough to respond to this point.  You always ignore because you are intellectual dishonest.  You aren't smart enough to debate about guns.  That's why your first post was filled with insults.  Every post since then has been more insults and wheel spinning as you give pathetic excuses why you don't need to address logical and factual points people make.  Finally I don't feel sorry for you mom, I feel sorry for your Dad.  I realize he only met your mother for like 10 minutes at a truck stop but I'm sure your mother was as smelly as the average truck stop hooker. 

_Joe_
_Joe_

@MicheleBachmann Lol.  You see?  I was merely pointing out a factually incorrect statement about the nature of the Fort Hood shooting.  In none of my responses do I advocate more guns, and yet somehow in your imaginary world, I am some kind of NRA thumping gun nut.  And you've imagined yourself into such a tizzy that I can literally feel the spittle fly from your mouth as you spew your vitriolic insults and your eyes roll back in your head.  It's like watching a four year old having a tantrum in a shop.  We all just feel bad for your mom.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@_Joe_ Then don't you stupid fucking gun nut.  All three of your stupid fucking posts are nothing but insults and you saying Michele so stupid me not going to engage .  How fucking dumb are you gun nut?   Tell me you won't respond to me again you fucking nitwit.   

_Joe_
_Joe_

@MicheleBachmann I've figured it out!!!  Engaging with you is like yelling at the TV.  Incapable of listening or responding to what I actually say.  You're just going to barrel on with whatever you want to say, despite any external input.

I'm pretty sure this realization is going to save me a lot of time in the future.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@CinBlueland  You are so stupid.  I never said a gun ban would prevent all attacks.  I've only said it would make for less deadly attacks.  Besides we have bomb control stupid.   You can't buy a super deadly bomb at stores nationwide can you stupid?  Did Timothy McVeigh buy his bomb over the counter?  Or did he have to make it?   That bombing happened in 1995.  Have we had more bombings or shootings since 1995 you fucking idiot?    Adam Lanza's mom was able to buy deadly guns over the counter.   Timothy McVeigh had to make his deadly bomb.  Most people that do mass killings don't have the time or the skill to make a giant bomb.   Adam didn't have to make the AR 15 in his fucking workshop.  He picked it up one day and went nuts.  Guns like the AR 15 make murder easy.  They have no other purpose.  Stupid evil fools like you are killing kids so you can have a giant AR 15 to feel good about your micro penis.  You are evil and stupid.  

CinBlueland
CinBlueland

@MicheleBachmann @_Joe_ How many guns did Tim McVey use? How many guns did the terrorists use in the first and second WTC attacks? How many guns used on the attack on the USS Cole or Marine barracks in Lebanon?  I get it you're afraid of guns.. they're scary and black. The world is a scary place outside of the U and Mac. Having a few more competent armed people around won't hurt.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@_Joe_  You are an idiot.  The point of the comment was a mass shooting happened on a military base.  There was no shortage of armed guards.  That guy just took advantage of a hole in the system.  There will never be enough armed guards to prevent shootings.  There will always be vulnerable people.   That's why we need to ban deadly guns that make it easy to kill lots of people fast.  Gun nuts like you are stupid and its annoying.   When you make a childish argument like Tony Cornish and the NRA its easy for smart people to point out how stupid they and you are.   You are such a dumb asshole all you do is call people idiots but don't offer any facts or counterarguments.  Fuck off, people are dying from your childish stupidity.  More armed guards won't do shit.  Banning guns that can shoot lots of bullets fast will make killers like Lanza less deadly.  

_Joe_
_Joe_

@MicheleBachmann Still arguing with yourself, huh?  I never said a single thing you are accusing me of.

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