More Minnesotans were killed in fist fights than by rifles in 2011

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No doubt, rifles are potentially more deadly than fists, but potential doesn't necessarily match reality.
When President Obama spoke in North Minneapolis earlier this month, he characterized his proposed semi-automatic rifle ban as "one thing we can do" to reduce gun violence and thereby save lives. But the numbers suggest a ban of that sort might have minimal impact.

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That's because in 2011 -- the last year for which numbers are available -- only three Minnesotans were murdered with a rifle of any type. By comparison, four died in fist fights. Twelve were killed by knives and 51 by handguns.

WCCO's Jason DeRusha, who pulled the numbers for yesterday's installment of "Good Question," notes that two of Minnesota's recent high-profile shootings -- the Accent Signage mass shooting and Monday's murder of a 9-year-boy in Oakdale -- were perpetrated by handgun-wielding gunman. More from DeRusha:
The same story plays out across the nation. Of the 12,664 murders in 2011 reported to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, 6,220 were committed with handguns -- about 49 percent of the total report.

By comparison, killers used a rifle on 323 people, 2.5 percent of all murders. Assault rifle murders aren't split out, but it's safe to assume it's less than the 323.

Most put the number of assault weapon murders as between 1 and 2 percent of all murders.

In 2011, knives were used in 1,694 murders. Fists and feet were used in 728 murders, and blunt objects -like clubs, bats and hammers - were used in 496 murders.
Of course, the issue of semi-automatic rifle violence became a hotter topic than ever in the wake of the Newtown school shooting, where 20 children and six adults were killed by Adam Lanza and his semi-automatic Bushmaster rifle.

But as far as gun violence goes, handguns appear to be the real problem, and nobody is seriously proposing banning them. Then again, as Obama said in Minneapolis, "If there's even one thing we can do, even one life we can save, we have an obligation to try."

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Erik Seavey
Erik Seavey

But, Zach, the changes to gun laws being proposed are for rifles, not handguns. This begs the question, why? Why attack rifle owners if the prob. is handgun murders?

TheConservativeJerk
TheConservativeJerk topcommenter

Proposed gun ban bills in Minnesota WILL NOT apply to the Indian Nations and their people.  

Now, where did the largest school shooting in Minnesota occur?

Did the shooter in Accent Signage Systems use an AR-15 or other "assault weapon" 

No, then what are the democrats doing?

Jobs and the economy I'm sure; at least that was the campaign promise...

cpdoggydog
cpdoggydog

Lanza did not use an assault rifle. They found that weapon IN HIS CAR IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE SCHOOL. Get your shit straight.


digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

enough with the rifle v pistol shit


michelle bachman user: cannot tell what your stance is?

Zach Nyhus
Zach Nyhus

So you don't think people getting killed is unfortunate? Sociopath.

Zach Nyhus
Zach Nyhus

The important, and misleading, word in that headline is "rifle". To all the gun-nuts screaming "Yeah!!": Are you somehow forgetting that handguns exist? Do you honestly believe this headline somehow supports your position?

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

Again, nobody at Newton was killed with an assault rifle. Stop lying.

Kevin Green
Kevin Green

Solzhenitsyn: "And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

Bill Crosby
Bill Crosby

That was like the year of the 1 punch kill shot though

Stuttering John
Stuttering John

This is better than the liberal dribble that usually comes out of city pages anti gun mouth.

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

Nah, Rupar is no hack. He does need to post more articles. maybe something on DORNER

interesting numbers though

this whole rifle v pistol shit is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Luke Finsaas
Luke Finsaas

Another headline could be "51 people murdered with hand guns; 4 murdered in fist fights." That was an absurdly convoluted story written for a incendiary and vaguely misleading headline. Come on CP.

Angela Salzl
Angela Salzl

Apparently our state fights old school! Good news for gun control I guess...... ppl just need to chill the hell out and stop hurting each other!

Joe Wessels
Joe Wessels

Would it be a fortunate fact if more people were killed by rifles than fist fights?

Nicholas S. Goers
Nicholas S. Goers

The first smart thing City Pages has said regarding this heated topic!

Brad Benson
Brad Benson

One person going into a school with a sword could have swayed those numbers too. Doesn't change the facts.

Dillon Derpa Lerpa Bakke
Dillon Derpa Lerpa Bakke

cp, can u change the text to "a fact", seems like you ppl like to have ur own swing at issues when it would be nice if you just reported on issues

William Davis
William Davis

1 person going into 1 school could have swayed these numbers in 2 minutes.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@cpdoggydog Fuck you liar. Read something beyond Fox News sometime. 

Lt. J. Paul Vance, the face of an ongoing Connecticut State Police investigation into worst grade-school shooting in U.S. history, Thursday debunked media and Internet reports that Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza killed his victims with handguns and not the Bushmaster XM-15 E2S rifle that is now the focus of a proposed federal assault-weapons ban.

All 26 of Lanza's victims were shot with the .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle, said Vance, who bristled at claims to the contrary during an interview with Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.

"It's all these conspiracy theorists that are trying to mucky up the waters," said Vance, the longtime state police spokesman.


Read more: http://www.greenwichtime.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4220548.php#ixzz2KtvnOulY

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

Fuck you, you are lying.

Lt. J. Paul Vance, the face of an ongoing Connecticut State Police investigation into worst grade-school shooting in U.S. history, Thursday debunked media and Internet reports that Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza killed his victims with handguns and not the Bushmaster XM-15 E2S rifle that is now the focus of a proposed federal assault-weapons ban.

All 26 of Lanza's victims were shot with the .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle, said Vance, who bristled at claims to the contrary during an interview with Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.

"It's all these conspiracy theorists that are trying to mucky up the waters," said Vance, the longtime state police spokesman.


Read more: http://www.greenwichtime.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4220548.php#ixzz2KtvnOulY

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

@MicheleBachmann : even msm's like NBC retracted what they reported and released which guns were used: a Sig Sauer and a Glock, both pistols. It's real easy to google. Only you and Rupar think automatic rifles were used.

Even though you should kill yourself, it's more fun to have you around to laugh at.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@hollafield @MicheleBachmann Dumbfuck your video is from 12/15/2012.   My article is from 01/24/2013.   You are stupid and clearly uninformed.  My article features quotes from police.  I know its hard to read but you should try before posting your stupidity. 

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

@MicheleBachmann : I love you Michelle Bachmann

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@mingtran I used google you stupid fucking lying idiot.  That's why I linked to the story that quotes the police saying everyone was shot by an AR 15.  Read what I post stupid fucker.

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

@MicheleBachmann : I post from a dumb smart phone, I can't link. If you have the know how to post links (unless your mom does it for you), i'd expect you know how to use Google.

Even one of your buddies further down in the link acknowledges he knows AR's weren't used in the shooting. Again, it's only you and Rupar who fail to reside in "real" reality... it is fun to watch you though.

TheConservativeJerk
TheConservativeJerk topcommenter

@keny1@mingtranUm kenny, This "michele bachmann" is a man.  But I like you, also like to refer to them as "He/She/It".

Fun stuff,  because I managed to send the clown off the deep edge a couple years ago where "He/She/It" got themselves banned. 

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@keny1 keny you are a fucking idiot.  You don't upset me in the least.  You are the one who has threatened to kill me twice.  Why don't you tell me the name of your restaurant since you are such a tough guy.  Let's see how tough you really are.   I know you are just some old pathetic white loser who isn't man enough to stand behind his threats.  Post your name and address tough guy.  Let's see if you can back up your threats with your name and address pussy.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@mingtran Provide a link you fucking idiot.  I have the police spokesman giving the information.  He is quoted as saying dumbfucks (keny and ming) are misinformed and wrong on the internet.   Provide a quote from the police saying what you are saying or shut the fuck up.  My information is from January 2013.  It is the most recent info available.  You dumb liars have to actually prove what you are saying.  Notice how what I'm saying is backed up by a credible source.   Until you have a more credible source than the police you need to shut up.

keny1
keny1

@mingtran MichelleBachmann is the only reason why I post on CP. I love fucking with her stupid brainwashed mind. I love it how he/she/it refers to herself as "the voice of reason" on CP's comment thread. Yet, look at her juvenile language when someone presents an opinion that differs with her's:

"FUCK OFF LIAR!"

"FUCK OFF RACIST!"

He/She/It obviously has some serious mental issues that he/she/it hasn't dealt with. And this goes way beyond politics. I imagine that he/she/it leads a miserable and pathetic life and like most sociopaths, she blames society for his/her/it's problems. In her case, she uses Republicans as her scapegoat because it is most convenient  . Why? Because Liberal politicians have brainwashed her into thinking that way. Why? Because Liberal politicians uses their brainwashing techniques to get votes.     

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