MNGOP Rep. Glenn Gruenhagen: Gov't is paying minority men to impregnate women [VIDEO]

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Gruenhagen: "We tell men that they can impregnate as many women as they want and the government will pick up the tab."
During a debate earlier this week about the proposed Minnesota Health Insurance Exchange, Rep. Glenn Gruenhagen, R-Glencoe, steered the discussion in a very different and racially charged direction.

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Gruenhagen -- the same meathead who made headlines last week for characterizing homosexuality as a mental illness -- went into a rant about "the black family" and the alleged subsidies government provides for promiscuous minorities to have children out of wedlock.

Here's a transcription of Gruenhagen's comments (the raw video is embedded further below):
When a country undermines traditional marriage, it cannot print up enough money to take care of all the problems that happen in our society. And we need to look no further than our welfare program and the black family in this country. Prior to the Great Society programs of the '60s, the out-of-wedlock birth [rate] among black families, was under 20 percent. Today, in the inner city, the out-of-wedlock birth for black families is over 80 percent. And one of the primary reasons for that is we have developed government programs that will pick up the tab for having children out of wedlock.

The result is we exploit our women, we create a bad situation for our children -- especially minorities -- and we tell men that they can impregnate as many women as they want and the government will pick up the tab. I think we need to stop that philosophy, not expand it, with the credit and the Health Insurance Exchange.
Those preposterous remarks prompted a quick and pointed reply from Rep. Tina Liebling, D-Rochester. Here's what she said:
I think we're pretty far afield here from the bill and even from the amendment, with some of the comments that have been made. But I just think it's really important to correct the record in one respect. First of all, in Minnesota right now, when people are in our Minnesota Family Investment Program -- what a lot of people like to call welfare -- and they have an additional child, they don't get any more money. They don't get any more money. And what they do get is very, very low.

So we have a welfare program that does not incentivize anybody to be on welfare. No rational person would want to be on welfare with what they get here, and they certainly are not incentivized to have any additional children.
Here, via the Uptake, is video of both Gruenhagen's comments and Liebling's reply:



The exchange is more evidence of a point we had occasion to make in another one of today's posts. If you're a man -- especially one that happens to be a Republican elected official -- think twice before speaking publicly about anything having to do in any way shape or form with sex. Because chances are, if you let it rip, you're going to come across as an out-of-touch and prejudiced idiot.

-- h/t -- Michael McIntee --

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nybelcher
nybelcher

arrogant no understanding of life fools. Things don't flow just flow one way. Every reaps....

nybelcher
nybelcher

What directly the fuck is wrong with the human brain? You think that everything is suppose to work at the white mans request? Especially through this crooked ass system that Feed off people...mostly NEGROS. MFS got some sick devious pride and glory...just fucking ignorant

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

lots of racism here just like the dick above... the headline is very accurate to what was said by official .


no suprises here, OLD NEWS

StadiumStealer
StadiumStealer

Did some fact-checking.  It turns out Gruenhagen's statements were correct.  You can disagree with the facts, but ridiculing them only shows your biased agenda.

emilyg53
emilyg53

What is preposterous is your reporting. The very title of your article is a blatant lie. Gruenhagen did not say that the government is paying "minority" men to impregnate women. Read his comments again:

"The result is we exploit our women, we create a bad situation for our children -- especially minorities -- and we tell men that they can impregnate as many women as they want and the government will pick up the tab."

The point is that government programs have incentivized people of ALL races to be trapped in a sytem of dependency on welfare. Welfare has become a web that has ensnared and trapped them rather than a means to temprarily assist them. For some reason this has hurt minority families most. This is not racist, this is concern for all famies but especially for minority families. Shame on City Pages for once again distorting and twisting Gruenhagen's words.

mohanlon3
mohanlon3

Apparently he doesn't read the states own numbers on the demographics of welfare.  From MN dept of human services. 

Forty percent of MFIP-eligible caregivers are white, 37 percent are black, 9 percent are American Indian, 6 percent are Asian (including Pacific Islanders), 6 percent are Hispanic (an ethnic category that is coded as a race in keeping with U.S. Census Bureau practice) and 2 percent report multiple racial/ethnic backgrounds.  So the largest group in MN on welfare are WHITE.  Go read the report and then you can see that he's an asshat who can't be bothered to read the info he is supposed to understand to do his job. 

 http://kstp.com/kstpImages/flash/images/MN%20Welfare%20Facts.pdf

webcelt
webcelt

Gruenhagen may not have said anything relevant or accurate, but at least we all got a look at his retrograde id. Makes your eyes burn.

emilyg53
emilyg53

For the record, I listened to the entire press conference last week and Rep. Gruenhagen did not say that homosexuality was a mental illness. City pages is not a reputable news paper and are notorious for their liberal bent . They are not reliable and cannot be trusted.

MotherJones
MotherJones

Minnesota is welfare haven. Look at the number of Illinois license plates on old shitty Cadillacs who are parked out in front of Century Plaza in DT Mpls  (the Welfare office) on any given day.  

Truth_Teller_1
Truth_Teller_1 topcommenter

Gruenhagen is absolutely correct.   Just take a look at the Maury show.  Baby Mama's with their children all from different fathers.  Fathers who are in and out of jail.  Have no job, run scams on the street.

The woman gets section 8, SNAP, medicaid, etc, etc.  Then the baby daddy moves back in.  Alternates between here and living with 'cousins' in Mississippi, Chicago, Gary, etc.  

As for employment - 50% of the students in Minneapolis don't graduate from HS.  All this education actually tailored around these people - and they throw it away.  Mpls spends $21,000 a year / per student. 

1. While people of color make up about 30 percent of the United States’ population, they account for 60 percent of those imprisoned.

2. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, one in three black men can expect to go to prison in their lifetime.

jacknasty83
jacknasty83

Well why don't they try and find some solutions other than cutting aid to people who need it?  Instead of giving tax breaks the fabled "job creators" what we should be doing is heavily taxing any company that outsources work that could be done by the many, many unemployed people here at home.  If they want to use cheap foreign labor fine, but then they should be taxed to the point that it has the same costs as paying US workers to do it. 

Doug Farone
Doug Farone

Does anyone know how many people are having kids out of wedlock that are white people, I would the same stats years too

Brett Andreas Campbell
Brett Andreas Campbell

Even the DFL legislator who answered him understood his context. I'm not taking sides here, but City Pages has a knee jerk complex when it comes to the MNGOP. And now that I think about it, a major ass kissing complex when it comes to the DFL.

jsmithson
jsmithson

while this guy has no idea about homosexuality hes right on concerning black families. We ENCOURAGE them to NOT work and live off SS, disability etc.. Yes they do get more money per child and we give them money for 20-30 years.  Call me a racist but what is one to think when 80% of one type of people use/ abuse this system? I call it truth

momo
momo

I have no allegiance tho this guy, and I can't speak to the prejudices you attribute to him, but I'm wondering what exactly you find "preposterous" about the first quote?  What is you analysis of the situation, specifically the dissolution of the American family vis-a-vis social welfare programs and our dire financial straits? Please quit with potshots at anyone you disagree with or find idiotic.  YOU look intolerant and misguided, despite your noble (?) attempts to sh*t on those damn Republicans.  I know this isn't a credible source of news (what is these days), but this sh*t just does a disservice to your readers.  

Kent Erickson
Kent Erickson

It is funny how a rep from a town with probably no black people is criticizing them. Listen, we need to stop subsidizing all people who have more kids because they know government will pay for it, regardless of race. To think only black people give birth to unwanted kids and have the govt pay for it is idiotic. There are plenty of white people especially the white trash trailer park type that are having their children taken care of by the government too. We need to take all these people off the dole. If you can't feed em, don't bread em.

Shawn Clark
Shawn Clark

And they elected this idiot he was the same guy who said Homosexuality is a mental illness .any one who has a mental illness is this guy

Pinko Thinker
Pinko Thinker

unfit for any other job? try representing idiots.

Lance Hagen
Lance Hagen

That is dumb statement- I will say one to some too right now, whatever race it is, after 2 children are concieved esp. at young ages and not of financial prepardness or wherewithall of consequences- a birth control medical procedure (man or woman- cut cords/tie tubes) will gladly be paid for by this taxpayer. That actually should happen under social medicine...right..? Civil Liberty violation maybe- but no favors to anyone when numerous births and we the people pay for all that plus I belive better decisions would be made as well.

Christian Johnson
Christian Johnson

Sadly, nothing I hear from loony right wingers surprises me anymore

Jessica Grams
Jessica Grams

Seems it's the GOP in general that keeps making ridiculous statements.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@StadiumStealer  Here is a fact check for you.   If you claim you did a fact check but are too stupid to post your results or cite your sources no one will believe you actually did a fact check.  They will believe you are a complete fucking idiot however.  That is a fact. 

vamoots
vamoots

 @mohanlon3

The thing is, only about 5% of the state's population is black, less than 2% is native American, less than 4% is Asian, less than 4% is Hispanic and about 85% is non-Hispanic white.  Accordingly the MFIP numbers for black families, in particular, are wildly disproportionately high.  

 For what it's worth I am a solidly Democratic voter but I can't seriously dispute Gruenhagen's point.  I think the persistent availability of generous social-welfare benefits is the principal reason our politically-liberal state has the greatest disparity in employment between whites and blacks in the United States.  I have no doubt these programs were well-intentioned but we have effectively put shackles on generations of poor people, particularly people of color.

djmelius1
djmelius1

Mrs. Gruenhagen, the issue of Glenn's comments remains the same. Here's a sampling:

During my first exposure to Gruenhagen last April at a “Pro Marriage Amendment” forum in Waconia, he labeled gays and lesbians as “unhealthy sexual perverts.”

In a late October candidate's forum, my second glance at the man included his odd opening to his final, bizarre words tying pornography to domestic abuse, His political views continue to range from embarrassing to unsettling. Sadly, my home district of Sibley and Nicollet counties apparently agrees, electing him in November. So, this embarrassment goes beyond Glenn. It's still rooted in rural MN.

MotherJones
MotherJones

@East_Coast_Doug You also forgot to mention that over 90% of African American women are on some sort of Government assistance.  

MotherJones
MotherJones

@jacknasty83 While I agree with your sentiment about heavily taxing companies who outsource, and bringing jobs back to America, you need to understand the welfare mentality. Most of these people don't WANT to work. Think about it: Free food, free shelter, free utilities, free healthcare, free childcare, free public transportation, etc. What incentive is there to go and work a minimum wage job (of which most of these people are only qualified to do) when you can get everything handed to you? 

The root of the problem is people having kids that they cannot afford to take care of. I cannot think of anything more selfish or cruel than to bring a child into this world without the means to support him/her. And then expect tax payers to foot the bill. And Rep. Tina Liebling is wrong. People can (and do) get more welfare money if they have more kids. Not more from the State (the State has a cap on monetary "compensation"), but they most certainly can get more cash assistance from the county in which they live.  

mohanlon3
mohanlon3

Minnesota’s black unemployment rate was a shocking 27 percent in the third quarter of 2011 Meaning less than one third of the Black population.  Kinda hard for 80% of them to be on welfare if only 27 percent are unemployed...in2010 only 27% were below the poverty level, thus allowing access to welfare.

mohanlon3
mohanlon3

Go look at numbers before you cite statistics that are about 3x's inflated from reality.  Only 27% of the black folks in MN are at a low enough income to qualify for welfare.  Been that way give or take a few percentage points for some time now.  Also the largest group on welfare in MN is WHITE FOLKS, so are you suggesting that no abuse of the system happens from the MAJORITY of people on it being white folks?  Took me all of five seconds to Google this up, got time to post Bullshit, but no time to read facts, sad. 

jacknasty83
jacknasty83

@momo his comments are pretty racist and offensive in general to be singling this out as a black problem when in reality the largest percentage of out of wedlock births nation wide are still white people.   Also it isn't just a black thing, across all races since the 1960's the out of wedlock birthrate has more than quadrupled.  Yes the highest percentage based on race is for black people and yes the highest percentage by regions are the inner city but it is not fair to compare all black people in 1960 to just inner city black people in 2013 because it ignores many, many other factors and his only motivation for cherry picking that data is because he knows his voter base is white suburbanites who are afraid of inner city black people.  

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@vamoots  What you are saying is so wrong its funny.  By your logic the states that spend the least on welfare would have the least poverty but that isn't true.  Just ask the South.  The states that spend the most on social welfare have the lowest poverty rates.  Minnesota's welfare program helps pull people out of poverty all the time.  Racists like Gruehagen are just wrong.  

emilyg53
emilyg53

@djmelius1 

Dana Melius, I was in attendance at the same meeting in Waconia and know for a fact that Rep. Gruenhagen did not say that "gays and lesbians are unhealthy sexual perverts".  There is a difference between "labeling a person" versus discussing that person's behavior.  I would expect you to know that since you are a social worker.  It is a fact, however that homosexual men make up over 50% of all hepatitis cases and still account for over 50% of all AIDS cases despite the fact that they make up only 1-3% of the population.  I could give you numerous other health related facts, but there is no doubt that this is an unhealthy lifestyle and if you cared even remotely about these people, you would not encourage them to continue in behavior that could lead to their premature death.  

I am shocked Mr. Melius, that as a social worker, you are so uniformed about the connection between pornography and domestic abuse!  I have several acquaintances that have shared their heartbreaking stories about domestic abuse that was fueled by pornography in their home.  I also have a friend who is an Eden Prairie police officer who told me that every time there is an arrest for child molestation, the police discover boxes of pornography in their residence.  Having served on a Federal Grand jury for a year, I also heard numerous cases where there was a clear connection.  You better get educated.  

Sorry to hear that you are so "embarrassed" by the people in your county.  But since the people in your county voted to pass the marriage amendment by 68% (some precincts as high as 85%), maybe it's you who is out of touch.

webcelt
webcelt

@MotherJones @East_Coast_Doug Both of you forget to mention that they all shuffle and love watermelon. I hope someone is paying you to post this nonsense. I'd hate to think you're exposing yourselves for free.

djmelius1
djmelius1

I have worked in anti-poverty programs and advocated often for MFIP/single-aprent moms. Some 95%  of them WANT to work, are some of the best money managers I've come across. They are forced with difficult decisions every day, from day-care to poor public transportation in rural areas, to affordable housing. If you look real close at MN's "welfare" spending, over two-thirds goes to state nursing homes to pay for predominately white, elderly individuals. Further, in rural MN, the vast majority of multi-generational welfare recipients are from white families. The problem with comments like Gruenhagen (and, frankly, distorted reporting in this City Pages piece), is that it sidetracks the real debate on the Health Insurance Exchange. 

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@MotherJones   Hey I did just think about it. Why is Minnesota's unemployment rate below the national average if our welfare benefits are so generous?     I mean since its so nice to be a freeloader here shouldn't our unemployment rate be way higher than the south where they don't spend anything on welfare? 

mohanlon3
mohanlon3

"For example, MFIP incorporates Food Stamps by converting them into cash grants. MFIP requires a 60-month limit on benefits. 2 Also, MFIP requires parents to participate in work activities."  Also from the states own info on the WFIP (Welfare) program...  Looks like the limit is 5 years.  Seems like your info on Welfare came from so far up your ass, we can all smell what you had for breakfast this morning...

djmelius1
djmelius1

Mrs. Gruenhagen, first, I am not a social worker. I have the utmost respect for them and have been married to one for 34 years. And I do understand that pornography can morph into domestic; however, the problem with Glenn's wild ramblings on it is that it distorts the real issue of violence and the lack of  safe havens and support for battered women. And you are right, Rep. Gruenhagen's actual quote was that gay and lesbian behavior "is an unhealthy sexual perversion."  I took the wild liberty to think that it was Glenn who was labeling my daughter and her loving partner as "unhealthy sexual perverts." Call me a crazy parent of six children, but I am proud to be "out of touch" with a majority of Sibley and McLeod County residents on this issue.

mohanlon3
mohanlon3

Truth JSMITHSON, or a fantasy world you want to believe in that justifies your racism?  I am even willing to admit some of these stats may be slightly inaccurate as stats always are.  But your statements are so far from any real info easily found on the subject that one can only guess you spew BS that you make up on the fly to justify your silly ass Crackalacka statements.

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