NRA report contains fictional passage about a 2010 school shooting in Hastings

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A new NRA report contains at least one passage of fiction.
With so many mass shootings to pick from, you wouldn't think the National Rifle Association would need to make them up. But that's exactly what they did in their recently released 225-page school security plan.

The plan calls for every school to have an armed police officers, security guards, or staff member. It also cities the 2010 school shooting in Hastings to make a case that classroom windows should be done away with.

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But there's a small problem -- that 2010 Hastings school shooting never happened.

Here's what the NRA report says: "For example, in 2010 a 16-year-old attacker killed six people hiding in a locked classroom in Hastings Middle School in Minnesota by shooting and subsequently stepping through a tempered glass window that ran vertically alongside the classroom door."

But that's fiction. As the Pioneer Press reports, on April 5, 2010, an armed 8th grader broke through classroom windows at Hastings Middle School in an apparent attempt to shoot teachers, but no shots were fired because he loaded the wrong bullets into his gun.

The PiPress adds that the NRA might've simply confused the Hastings incident with the 2005 Red Lake shooting where 16-year-old Jeff Weise shot out a classroom window before killing eight people, including five students and himself.

Still, when making a recommendation as drastic as the abolition of classroom windows, you might want to do a little fact-checking before publishing that report.

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green23
green23 topcommenter

Another repost to avoid revisionism:

"keny1 7 days ago

@green23 Oh, and my comments about Illinois were meant as sarcasm. Apparently not only are you boring, you have no sense of humor either. Also, I love how you and your buddy MB (you know, the one who uses "critical thinking skills" every time he/she/it attacks someone who doesn't agree with her and her "fact checking" (aka cherry picking facts to prove her argument) love to categorize me as a Tea Party-loving, Fox News listening, gun-toting NRA member who bows down to Michelle Bachmann, Glen Beck, and Rush Limbaugh. Well, let me clarify a few things: I am NOT a Tea Party member, I do NOT even own a gun, I do NOT listen to Fox News, nor do I listen to a word that Bachmann, Beck, and Limbaugh says.Unlike you, I think for myself. I can admit the idiocy of certain Republican politicians and even call them out on their bullshit. I call it like I see it. But that's where you and I differ. You believe ANYTHING that a DLF politician tells you. Not ONCE have I ever seen you or MB question the policies of liberal politicians. You just allow them to force feed their agenda down your throat as if what they say if Gospel and CANNOT be questioned. Again you are just a Sheeple. For the record, in November, the only Republican I voted for was Romney. I voted for Ellison and Amy because I felt that they have some kind of common sense (and in Ellison's case, the fact that he has the guts to call out Obama's bullshit.) I even voted for a Democrat who ran for my district's seat in the MN House. So there goes your implication that I am a "biased" Republican. And furthermore, I try to understand where the left is coming from. I actually TRY. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, but when they are right, I give them credit (I have said this before and I will say it again: Bill Clinton was one of the best POTUS so far in my lifetime). But the bottom line is that when you Liberals resort to name-calling and juvenile bullying against those who disagree with you, it really doesn't say much about yourselves nor your party. And furthermore, if you can't "get" my sarcasm, that is your problem, not mine."

green23
green23 topcommenter

I just want repost keny's remarks so that he can't delete them later in a fit of revisionism:

"keny1 6 days ago

@green23 @keny1 And see, that is what my whole point is. I do this to "stir the pot". I am smarter than you . Rupar loves it because CP gets ratings. The more time you spend arguing with me, the more time advertisers get air time. The more time people listen to our arguments the more time CP gets revenue. It's called The Free Enterprise System. And CP makes millions off of it. But then you hate the greedy companies who have the nerve to expect a profit. LOL!"  

webcelt
webcelt

For gun nuts, repeating what they get from the NRA is pretty much it for fact checking.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

The NRA lies and children die.   Why are they opposed to universal background checks?  Why are the opposed to limiting magazine sizes?   Why do they oppose the assault weapons ban?   Why do they oppose research into gun violence and the effects of gun control?   The NRA is a corrupt profit driven group that makes it easier for psychopaths to shoot people.  Reasonable gun control will curb violence.  According to the police 1% of the gun dealers are responsible for 99% of the illegal guns on our streets.  The NRA protects those gun selling scum.  They have used their corrupt politicians to pass multiple laws making it easier to sell guns illegally.   End this scum organization now.  

_Joe_
_Joe_

That's a smaller mistake than a lot of the ones I've seen here on CP.

ssolarz1422
ssolarz1422

At least they didn't say that magazines and clips were not reusable.

Damian Amberg
Damian Amberg

Pretty damn close.. "The PiPress adds that the NRA might've simply confused the Hastings incident with the 2005 Red Lake shooting where 16-year-old Jeff Weise shot out a classroom window before killing eight people, including five students and himself."

keny1
keny1

@webcelt  Much like people like you who take so-called "studies" about gun violence from biased anti-gun organizations as fact without fact checking against the statistics from the FBI.  

green23
green23 topcommenter

@_Joe_   Joe, you're a pretty decent, reasonable guy, as far as I've seen here. But if you're going to defend everything that the NRA says, you'll go crazy. There are a lot of crazy people that have pretty unhealthy attitudes towards guns, and those people are the NRA's real base -- not people like you. 

We shouldn't have to turn schools into windowless bunkers. Can we agree on that? Blaming windows is just stupid, but that's what the NRA is doing here. Even if CP was stupider, it wouldn't make the NRA's position any less stupid. 

Personally, I don't have a damn thing against guns. Gun fetishists are a different matter, though. They build elaborate, fantastic scenarios to justify owning more guns than anyone would ever need. It's weird. I know five people with concealed carry permits, and they are all flakes with mental-health issues who constantly turn normal situations into mortal threats. I wouldn't rely on any of them to protect me in any situation, because they are all essentially cowards that would never face an armed threat if push came to shove. If an unarmed person pissed them off, though, they'd be dangerous because those are the situations that they live for. Once you accept that people should be killed for being an asshole, everyone starts looking like an asshole to you, and a gun becomes your first resort instead of the last. 

You're entitled to your opinion, of course. I just hate to see rational people get played, and you may be in danger of that. It's your call.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@_Joe_ Yeah, please cite an example of a story that is 100% fabricated on City Pages that was never corrected.  The NRA has to lie because their cause is immoral and not backed up by facts.  They have to lie because they are pawns of the gun industry that only cares about profits and not people's lives.  They can lie because their supporters are a bunch of immature poorly informed children who don't care about stopping the sales of illegal guns.  Why does the NRA oppose universal background checks?   Why do we need guns that hold so many bullets and can fire them so quickly?   No hunter needs more than 2 shots.  No one needs an AR 15 unless they are planning on killing a bunch of people. 

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@_Joe_ Care to provide some examples? To qualify, they have to be mistakes that go uncorrected --- unless you can provide a correction to this report by the NRA.

Philbo
Philbo

Yeah, what is one extra dead student and 2 non-students to the NRA.

green23
green23 topcommenter

@keny1 @webcelt   It's amazing how conservatives are always the only people without bias. Just ask them; they'll tell you. 

Yeah, you're a real fact-checker, aren't you, keny? Remenber how told everyone that the DFL controls Illinois? Yeah, the Party that only exists in MN controls another State. I also remember when you told us that "There are NO republicans in Illinois!". Except that more than 41% of that State voted for Romney, there are six Republican House seats there, and the overwhelming majority of IL counties voted Republican in the last election. I'd also be interested in seeing your sources for your plaintive assertion that Democrats want to use Illinois as a model for the entire country. I've certainly never heard any Democrat ever say that.

Because you're all about the facts, aren't you?

That's just the idiocy from ONE of your recent comments. You parrot things that you hear without question, and make up the rest. I have never seen any you demonstrate any critical thinking skills whatsoever. You never admit that you are wrong, even though you are wrong more often than not. Just because you can snarl at people doesn't make you persuasive, you know.

_Joe_
_Joe_

@green23  I *despise* the NRA.  And I sure as hell don't defend everything they say.  However, making this out to be a "fabricated story" when it is clearly a factual mixup between two very real events is Fox News level douchebaggery.

I disagree with  the NRA on more than 90% of their platform, BUT they're also the only ones out there standing up for the 10% I do agree with.  I've been a lifelong Democrat since I came of age, but lately I've been pretty put off by all the reactionary politicking in the place of rational discourse.  I'll probably still vote with the party, but I didn't caucus this year, and I've yet to find a candidate that I'll go out of my way to help get elected.

_Joe_
_Joe_

@MicheleBachmann To be more specific, I was referring to confusing the location (Hastings) with the events of the 2005 Red Lake incident.  Both 100% real things that happened.  Not fabricated at all.

I just kinda glossed over the rest of your comment because it's irrelevant to my point.

keny1
keny1

@MicheleBachmann The point he was trying to make was how many times has Rupar wrote a blog and one of his readers had to correct him after they did an actual fact check? More times than I can count. City Pages (and Rupar) have never blatantly fabricated a story, but don't you find his last comment, "Still, when making a recommendation as drastic as the abolition of classroom windows, you might want to do a little fact-checking before publishing that report." a little hypocritical of him? 


_Joe_
_Joe_

@Dog Gone Stick around.  I'm not going to go digging for them when there's bound to be a glaring error in the next few days.  

I looked for a retraction or a correction for this report, but in digging, I could not find ONE link to the report on any page ranting about this error.  I read through pages and pages of people making a big deal out of this, yet not one of them provide a link to the original material.  Must be REAL important for them to not even include a source link.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@Philbo So the PiPress gueses what they meant --- but where is the correction from the NRA -------more to the point, how many other claims have they gotten wrong?  It's not like anyone can point to the NRA as a source that is reliable, or rational, or fact-driven.

keny1
keny1

@green23 @keny1 And see, that is what my whole point is. I do this to "stir the pot". I am smarter than you . Rupar loves it because CP gets ratings. The more time you spend arguing with me, the more time advertisers get air time. The more time people listen to our arguments the more time CP gets revenue. It's called The Free Enterprise System. And CP makes millions off of it. But then you hate the greedy companies who have the nerve to expect a profit. LOL!   

green23
green23 topcommenter

@keny1 @green23  I didn't speak to your comments about the FBI, genius. I said that you are hardly unbiased, and hardly one to talk about fact-checking. 

Once again, you prove that reading comprehension is not one of your strengths. 

Remember when you complained about "liberals" putting words in your mouth? Probably not. You tend to forget all of the contradictory things that you say. 

Poor, poor victim. I can remember when conservatives absolutely hated the whole "victim mentality". Now they embrace it completely. Now they're supposedly being bullied by people that they previously dismissed as morons, and who were supposed to be a tiny, hated  minority. And this bullying is the worst kind: people disagreeing with them and examining their 'facts'. Can't a wingnut just make things up any more, as God intended? Can't a poor conservative just accuse someone of "hating America" and still whine about how mean-spirited others are? Don't people see that conservatives are the "good guys", and thus exempt from the same standards they apply to the "stupid libs"? It's not as if conservatives have spent years in a complete apoplectic rage, right? They're just poor, meek, sensible people that expect total agreement from everyone on every issue. Is that too much to ask? Is it?

green23
green23 topcommenter

@keny1@green23"You believe ANYTHING that a DLF politician tells you. Not ONCE have I ever seen you or MB question the policies of liberal politicians"

You're an idiot. I've criticised Obama, Klobuchar, Franken, and other State legislators here. I've criticised the DFL primary process, too. 

As far as MB, I've had discussions here with him over his approach, which I find counter-productive and stereotypical. I don't see the need to do that on a regular basis.

"you Liberals resort to name-calling and juvenile bullying against those who disagree with you,"

Hey, buddy, less than two weeks ago, you said that I "hate America, that you hate the free enterprise system, that you think this nation would be better off if we just became a socialized state." Yeah, you're just a calm, reasonable, moderate and rational guy who never employs hyperbole or name-calling.  Oh, and remember your graphic description of how Hillary Clinton is going to burn in hell for lying to advance her career? Yeah, that was in the story where Bachmann lied to advance her career. Was that "sarcasm", too?

I think it's very revealing that conservatives have fallen back to this "bullying" idea. First, when a gay kid was bullied into suicide in the Anoka-Hennepin school district, conservatives *defended* bullying. Second, conservatives spent years screaming at anyone who didn't agree with them 100% that they were terrorist, socialist traitors. Now that things re going against them, they're just poor victims who are oppressed by people that don't accept everything they say without question. Intimidation has been the primary, go-to tactic for conservatives for a long time. 

I'm not trying to silence you. I *love* that you continually say stupid and offensive things, make illogical and incoherent points, snarl and insult people, and dismiss opposing commenters as "stupid libs". You just remind people that conservatives haven't changed a bit, and make them all look bad. I was genuinely worried that when our regular conservatives here shut up and became cautious. You fill that void nicely.

"if you can't "get" my sarcasm, that is your problem, not mine."

This is the first time that you have said it was "sarcasm". You've defended those remarks *twice* before. You have responded to my critique of your supposedly "sarcastic" remarks three times without mentioning it was sarcasm. I guess you define "sarcasm" as something that is so stupid that you can no longer defend it. Weird...and suspicious. What, exactly, is supposed to be funny about saying that a State has no Republicans, especially when you are attacking it as being run by Mexican drug gangs due to Democratic policies? I mean, you capitalised the word "NO" and added exclamation points. Those comments were completely devoid of any kind of wry wit. It was pretty much a standard conservative rant.

As for the rest of your self-portrayal, I suspect that it's a lie. We've had conservatives here do the same thing. The truth, however, is belied by your comments. You've said far too many over-the-top things already to credibly present yourself as anything other than a wingnut.

keny1
keny1

@green23 Oh, and my comments about Illinois were meant as sarcasm. Apparently not only are you boring, you have no sense of humor either. Also, I love how you and your buddy MB (you know, the one who uses "critical thinking skills" every time he/she/it attacks someone who doesn't agree with her and her "fact checking" (aka cherry picking facts to prove her argument) love to categorize me as a Tea Party-loving, Fox News listening, gun-toting NRA member who bows down to Michelle Bachmann, Glen Beck, and Rush Limbaugh. Well, let me clarify a few things: I am NOT a Tea Party member, I do NOT even own a gun, I do NOT listen to Fox News, nor do I listen to a word that Bachmann, Beck, and Limbaugh says.Unlike you, I think for myself. I can admit the idiocy of certain Republican politicians and even call them out on their bullshit. I call it like I see it. But that's where you and I differ. You believe ANYTHING that a DLF politician tells you. Not ONCE have I ever seen you or MB question the policies of liberal politicians. You just allow them to force feed their agenda down your throat as if what they say if Gospel and CANNOT be questioned. Again you are just a Sheeple. For the record, in November, the only Republican I voted for was Romney. I voted for Ellison and Amy because I felt that they have some kind of common sense (and in Ellison's case, the fact that he has the guts to call out Obama's bullshit.) I even voted for a Democrat who ran for my district's seat in the MN House. So there goes your implication that I am a "biased" Republican. And furthermore, I try to understand where the left is coming from. I actually TRY. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, but when they are right, I give them credit (I have said this before and I will say it again: Bill Clinton was one of the best POTUS so far in my lifetime). But the bottom line is that when you Liberals resort to name-calling and juvenile bullying against those who disagree with you, it really doesn't say much about yourselves nor your party. And furthermore, if you can't "get" my sarcasm, that is your problem, not mine.

keny1
keny1

@green23 I didn't realize that the FBI is a right-leaning biased organization. Wow! I learn something new from you everyday!

_Joe_
_Joe_

@Dog Gone No kidding.  Congratulations, you can Google.   I guess I worded it funny, but to clarify, I noticed that the pages making the biggest deal out of things did not contain links to the original document.  I was not stating that it couldn't be found.

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