Loud Pack gang members allegedly burglarize U.S. flag-flying Mpls homes in search of guns

Categories: Crime, Gangs, Guns
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Can you really argue with their logic?
If you're on the hunt to heist guns, how would you figure out which homes to target?

SEE ALSO: Alleged Young 'n Thuggin' clique leader gets seven years on drug charge

According to the logic allegedly employed by the Loud Pack north Minneapolis street gang, the answer is to look for the ones with American flags in their front yards.

According to an MPR report, a search warrant request recently filed by the FBI in Hennepin County accuses Loud Pack members of targeting "homes with American flags in the front yard because they believe these are homes or [sic] veterans and will have firearms inside them. Other items they take from these burglaries are sold on the street to various people to support the activates [sic] of the gang." (By the way, you'd think the FBI would copy edit this stuff, right?)

We first told you about the Loud Pack in March, when three members of the gang were charged in connection with a year-long crime spree. In one September 2012 incident, an argument on the street between between six men and a woman resulted in the woman and her kids running away amid a hail of gunfire while the men yelled, "Loud Pack."

In the search warrant request, the FBI asserts that some Loud Pack members used to be members of the "Y.N.T." (Young 'n Thuggin') criminal clique.

"These members had left the Y.N.T. because they had taken guns from various members of the Y.N.T. and according [to] a confidential reliable informant (CRI) they were not trustworthy," the warrant says.

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_Joe_
_Joe_

Pure genius.

Dumbass criminal: "Hrmm... I bet the people that live there are armed.  Maybe I should kick their doors in."

CRASH.

BANG.

fin

(scene)

Dave2
Dave2

Wow! Did these "Loud Pack" gang bangers pass their background checks? Not to worry, when we get more gun control these slime-balls will be out of business. ....You think?

Paul Lockman
Paul Lockman

Ship em off to a 3 rd world country so they can can gain some respect and appreciation for others .

bryanwade3
bryanwade3

The Good news is in the futre one of these "loud packs" or "Y. N.T" will pick the house with guns & occupants and get killed. These kids are garbage & always will be. No amount of diversion programs, gun control, federally funded or subsidized programs will prevent garbage like this from inhabiting our world.  

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@_Joe_  Well, in our neighborhood they've been pretty careful make sure nobody's home when they kick in the door.  There's been a rash of this stuff in our area; Regina, Bancroft neighborhoods; lately.  A guy a street over had his house burgled while he was at work.  They got 4 guns from him.  He didn't have them locked up or secured in any reasonable way.  And he has 3 kids under the age of 8 in that house.  I didn't tell him what an idiot I think he was for that, though I should have.  If I owned guns, I'd follow the NRA's own guidelines on how to store them in a house with kids, for Pete's sake.

But yeah, there's been a group of teenagers from North Mpls. coming over here to rob houses in the daytime on workdays.  Somebody had a bright idea, and it got popular.  It's not a large group of these kids doing this, and now at least one of them has gotten caught, so those left on the streets will probably come up with something else to do.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@Dave2 Countries with less guns and stricter gun control have less violence.  Science and facts back up gun control.  People like you with your aggressive uncompromising stupidity will get guns completely banned in time.   Background checks are a good idea that would make it harder for criminals and the insane to get guns.  By blocking a reasonable measure like that you made sure every horrible thing that happens with a gun will be blamed on the NRA and gun nuts like you.  Since gun nuts are just stupid mean people like you and Bob Davis you will lose the war of ideas when facing sensible smart gun control advocates. Your refusal to compromise now when you have the advantage will mean gun control people won't compromise when they have the advantage.   Every sensible first world country has strict gun control, America will too someday.   Less than 50% of Americans own guns.  Michael Bloomberg won't be the first billionaire who decides he doesn't want everyone to have a gun.  Keep celebrating winning the battle on background checks but remember dumb generals don't win wars.    It's how the world works dummy.  Keep up your snarky stupidity.  I bet you used to think there is no way gay marriage would be legal one day either.   

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@bryanwade3 Nice attitude you have about children and teenagers.  Nothing makes the world a better place like more death and shootings.  Why would it make you so happy to see a teen get shot?    You never made a stupid mistake when you were a teen?   Obviously these kids are falling through the cracks of society.  Do you have no compassion?  No soul?   You are a pretty sick person to get your jollies from the thought of young people getting shot for burglary.  Jesus must be so proud.  

keny1
keny1

@swmnguy Maybe we could come up with a "social program" to reduce this type of crime. We can use tax dollars to fund a study why gang members like to use guns and then use more tax dollars to fund more studies why guns are bad and gang members are "victims" of society. 

Dave2
Dave2

The only gun control remedy that is not simplistically inane is the one suggested by (your mother of all evils) the NRA. Putting an armed guard in every school might not stop every nut-case who comes along but it well might cut down on their carnage. Outlawing assault rifles, making ammo clips smaller, and universal background checks will only further befuddle an already befuddled maze of gun control laws; laws that we have now and that could be enforced but often are not. And, just as in this case, creeps who are looking for guns will only laugh at the laws anyway. Oh, and gun control in Europe; Anders Breivik had no trouble getting the guns to murder 77 teenagers in Norway. Norway has some of the most restrictive gun laws in Europe.

Dave2
Dave2

Of all the  simplistic remedies to stop atrocities that have been suggested so far, (outlawing semi-auto's, smaller ammo clips, background checks, etc.) the only one that makes any sense at all is the the one suggested by (your mother of all evils), the NRA; ...putting an armed guard in every school. Maybe it wouldn't stop every nut-cake that comes along but it might cut down on the carnage.

 Hundred of thousands of Americans have died fighting for our constitutional rights, but now, because of a few bad guys, you knee-jerk ninnies are willing to sell out their lives, as well as our freedoms, for idiotic remedies that will only further  befudle an already completely befuddled set of gun-control rules. All of you gun-haters deserve to be living under the rule of an oppressive dictator; and if you get your way, you  probably will.  Set your clocks back a couple of hundred years. And, by the way, I am a liberal Democrat.

Dave2
Dave2

The only gun control remedy that is not simplistically inane is the one suggested by (your mother of all evils) the NRA. Putting an armed guard in every school might not stop every nut-case who comes along but it well might cut down on their carnage. Outlawing assault rifles, making ammo clips smaller, and universal background checks will only further befuddle an already befuddled maze of gun control laws; laws that we have now and that could be enforced but often are not. And, just as in this case, creeps who are looking for guns will only laugh at the laws anyway. Oh, and gun control in Europe; Anders Breivik had no trouble getting the guns to murder 77 teenagers in Norway. Norway has some of the most restrictive gun laws in Europe. If one of those teenagers had had a gun the death toll might have been smaller.

swee2th
swee2th

@MicheleBachmann @Dave2 You should link to this conclusive data you speak of so it holds water.

Also, what's with you and stereotyping everybody? Lots of liberals support gun rights. Lots of gays, too. Not everybody fits into your narrow view of society.

rdandrews
rdandrews

 @MicheleBachmann @bryanwade3 When these "kids" decide to start invading homes of potential veterans they're asking to be killed in the first place.  I have no sympathy for stupidity.  They're falling through the cracks of society because of the liberal ilk that have made it possible for that to happen.  They're the ones that have destroyed the idea of family values and think it's ok to tell everyone they're a winner even when they lose.  I mean with values like that my ability to feel sorry for the kids or the parents of those kids just doesn't exist.  The world is better off without them. 

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@keny1 i dont follow... but if you are reffereing to how informed I am about actual politics, not very. its a waste of time to think about something so perverted.

\voting is a scam

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@keny1 @swmnguy @_Joe_ i would say white people are the problem and always have been - im whiter than anyone here, never been beaten at the irish test.

cant we all agree that gang members need guns; i mean come on you hicks, bring your collection of guns to the hood and make some cheese

tcraine
tcraine moderator communitymanager

@MicheleBachmann @Dave2 Please be respectful and do not name call in your responses to other posters.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@swee2th

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/07/gun-violence-study-chicago/1969227/

Here is a link to a story from March 2013 about the effectiveness of gun laws in America.  


http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/14/blackout-how-the-nra-suppressed-gun-violence-research/


Here is an article about how the NRA uses its lobbyists to prevent the government from studying gun violence.   You don't see gun control advocates outlawing research with lobbyists.  If the NRA is so sure of their bullshit why won't they let it be studied?   Since you like to debate so much why don't you explain why the NRA prevents research if they are so correct. Tell me exactly what scientific research hurts except for untrue bullshit.  That 2nd article proves to anyone with a brain that the NRA is full of shit.    



swee2th
swee2th

@MicheleBachmann @Dave2 "Meh, you're all stupid, mean people!"

You make us liberals look bad on here a lot. Are you a double agent?

rdandrews
rdandrews

@digitalprotocol @rdandrews Decided I should drop a couple of facts on your head since you're such a wasted soul.

You talk about Florida being the asshole of America but I find that amusing considering a couple of facts.

First off, Minnesota is one of but a small handful of states that pays workers well below the federal minimum wage and so much so that it can go as low as 5.00 and change an hour.  Florida and Texas both pay better by a long shot..

Secondly..  Minnesota is also rated in the bottom 10 of retirement states because of the taxes, cost of living, crime, and overall weather conditions.  Oddly enough there was only one state that was rated in this bottom 10 that wasn't a liberal state..  No surprise there for a conservative like myself..

It's funny too because as with most things in this country, it's the liberal states that tend to be on the bottom in so many things.  Highest murder rate..  A liberal city.  Go figure that.  Highest rate of illegals in jail for violent crimes..  Nancy Pelosi's district..  Another liberal lunatic..

Worst oversight of a disaster..  During Katrina..  Everyone wanted to blame Bush for that but see the problem with that was a Liberal Mayor that was the first line of hope for his city abandoned his people there and didn't bother to organize all of the assets that the city had to offer to get people out.  Tons of school and city buses that could have been utilized to get folks out..  Yeah..  That was the fault of liberals just like the housing bubble collapse lays flat on Barney Frank and his band of liberals in Congress that were repeatedly told 2 years before the collapse that the banks were cooking books and that there was real concern about the lending situation causing massive drags on the entire US economy..

But hey..  Everyone wanted to blame Bush..  We can't possibly put any responsibility on these committees that their direct job is the oversight and regulation of such things right?  I mean regulation is a liberal thing so..  Why wasn't that something they took responsibility for on their watch?  Why?  Because they were all on the take from the banks and it was their programs pushing for more lending..  reckless lending..  that led to the crash in the first place..

Oh and yeah..  Bush was a dumbass as well when he decided to do the stimulus crap.  It didn't work and then when Obama decided he needed to do it too it failed even more.  The recovery of the American housing market and those banks is still not completely out of the woods yet and won't be for years to come because of the massive losses to property values all over the country.

So yeah..  You tell yourself how great Minnesota or liberals states like it are but when real data comes back to backup what Florida and Texas both do well from rates of pay, retirement, lower taxes, better living conditions..  Yeah..  I'll be keeping my conservative values while scum like you continue to cry and scream about all the evils of conservatism when you haven't a shred of proof that supports your point of view and I have plenty of well written reviews, data, and even gun control research to back up my views and claims 10 fold over..

It's nice to see the community manager still hasn't done a thing about the liberal bashers here..  Goes to show that liberal bias is alive and well everywhere.  It's nice to see that the Benghazi thing is finally catching up to the Liar-In-Chief and Bitchary Clinton..  I'm sure you liberals are just spewing fire over watching their names being dragged through the mud by your own liberal news networks that decided 8 months later to report on a story that FOX has been reporting since it happened..  lol.  losers..  the lot of you.  :)

H8TER
H8TER

@digitalprotocol So you still won't answer the question.  LOL.  you give me a definition!  

and NO!  Im am not an anarchist, I believe government is a necessary evil.

Ill try asking again in another way.  How do you prevent an authority from arising, with out becoming the authority figure? 

Keep dodging the question, it shows your arrogance and lack of critical thinking.

also I love who is considered top commentators on this site, its amazing! its worse than the huffington post and the blaze combined!

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@h8ter this is attainable... you want it too

a : absence of governmentb : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authorityc : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government2a : absence or denial of any authority or established order

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rdandrews what you live in florida or something?



YOU ARE OLD AND ANTIQUATED, YOUR TIME IS UP.

GO TO SLEEP

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@H8TER no answer to what? - anarchy being impossible?  why argue intangibles with you. nothing exists in perfection, all is tainted. 

anarchy is a starting point for something new and different. 

there is no pure democracy, socialist state. capitalism is perverted as is any institution.

i dont disagree with your trite points - your statements mean nothing - you are consice, well done

i would guess we hold similar ideals...so fuck off

H8TER
H8TER

@rdandrews  Why people can't have a civil dialog on the internet is easy to explain, anonymity, and alot of times they have no real rebuttal.  I think you definitely hit a nerve somewhere in your long posts.  They probably stopped reading them after they got pissed at your responses.  Its almost as if you were an inadvertent troll.  I love it!

rdandrews
rdandrews

@tcraine @digitalprotocol @rdandrews @adam_greb 

Here's the bottom line.  You have repeated examples by several of the people here how vicious they are out of the gates with anyone that does not agree with their point of view.

Right off MicheleBachmann starts in calling me a "terrible person" and then carries on making insulting comments while referring to the possibility of someone's spiritual beliefs.  I mean last I checked that's a politically incorrect thing to do according to liberals.. Oh wait. . Unless it's to bash Christians.. Never mind. Double standard is forgiven of liberals, just not anyone else.

Then you have digitalprotocol who obviously can't carry on a conversation and is simply here to troll and bash people over and over again regardless if they put up a reasonable dialog and attempt to engage in a conversation.  Another pointless individual to continue permitting to post on these pages but a community manager doesn't see fit after the repeated vicious personal attacks and slanderous remarks to remove this person and their posts in their entirety from this site?

Who are you kidding when you tell me to be respectful.  My replies have been tame and very thoughtful for the most part and I've at least taken time to lay out my views with some thought put into them albeit in some instances condescending and a bit rude to display my disgust with people that can't be civil.

So no, I will not be respectful if a community manager is not going to mitigate fairly the dialog and abusive conduct of others.

I'll remain as condescending as I please but I'm not going to reduce my dialog to colorful metaphors and outright bashing as has been done to me repeatedly in the course of this chain of replies.  I'd suggest you actually take the time to read things entirely before you judge my replies as being anywhere near as disrespectful towards others as I have been disrespected here.

One last thing.  I see that the Twin Cities liberal base hasn't changed one tiny bit.  People are still as rude and arrogant as ever and don't accept the views of others.

Anyone from the area that attempts to tell me that they are so called liberals and that they are looking out for others is nonsense.  This chain of responses speaks volumes about the quality of people in the Twin Cities and is why Minnesota is not anywhere near the top 10 of places for companies to start up or move their businesses.

Minnesota has become a hostile environment like California and Illinois and other liberal driven states.  Back in the 80's this sort of behavior was just not something you would see in the state and was one of the reasons I moved there and started working in the area at the time.  Since then it's been slowly taken over by people that are intolerant of the views of others and generally become a very unfriendly place to live.

It's too bad such a beautiful state is wasted on such a hateful group of people and not a wonder why I refuse to move back where I have a vast number of family and friends from all over the state.

I can see it's been a waste of my time to become reacquainted with my former home and it's nice to have confirmed that hate is alive and well in the Twin Cities.

Good luck to you all.  You'll need it when you keep electing fools like Al Franken making Minnesota truly the laughing stock of the entire country when you put up good ol Stuart Smalley to speak for you lot.  What a terrible shame.  What a joke.

H8TER
H8TER

@MicheleBachmann

maybe you should just get my comments removed again Michelle.  Use that government power.

H8TER
H8TER

@digitalprotocol @H8TER nothing of interest, or you have no real answer to the questions?

prove I me wrong.  I want you to

I bet no answer......

you want the other dude cuz I'm concise? please tell me!

H8TER
H8TER

@digitalprotocol @H8TER Realy?  No hierarchy will arise?  Every group of friends has some that they make fun of.  every family has a hierarchy   When people organize there is a hierarchy.


please tell me how one would be prevented from arising?

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@H8TER They can't ask me to be respectful, I'm a US Congresswoman.   Show some respect for the United States of America.   You America haters always want to shut me down but you can't. 

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@H8TER everybody hates the man, everyone wants to be the man. 

you know little and offer nothing of interest. 

where the fuck is that freak @rdandrews , i wanna hear more about his 20 year old boyfriend and how wise 20 yr olds are

H8TER
H8TER

@tcraine

What about Michelebachmann?  why don't you ask her to be respectful?  She spews so  much hate.

H8TER
H8TER

@MicheleBachmann @green23 @keny1  What I find interesting is lefties who hate the "man" also want to give more and more power to the "man".  I.E. big government.

I don't trust corporations, but I trust government less.

The government has a monopoly on power, as they should, but that also means, they can abuse that power.

Anywhere power coalesce, it is a vacuum for evil.  its quite simple,  People are both good and evil.

People are the problem, NOT any of these ideas, institutions or objects.  people kill people, not guns.

If corporations aren't people, than are unions people? is the government not people? Is a church not people?

H8TER
H8TER

@MicheleBachmann 

thanks for getting me post removed you are so awesome and full of love.


free speech only for those who agree w city pages moderators!


harassment only to those who the moderators deem too (insert adjective here)

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@rdandrews I missed this but its creepy an old man brags about his 20 year old bf.   Nothing more sensible than a 20 year old who dates someone old enough to be his grandpa.   

adam_greb
adam_greb

I'm prettyyyy sure I never called you a rascist or a homophobe (that would be just weird). I can see you have an axe to grind, and probably rightfully so. Although I think you're confusing an ideology with the fact that people (regardless of beliefs) can be downright nasty to each other. It's easy to lay the blame on the heads of the other team for things, but it can be dishonest to do so without doing a bit soul searching and introspection.

keny1
keny1

@rdandrews Look forward to it! I am part of a gay conservative group who meets every Friday at Silverview Park (in St. Anthony). We are a 30-40-something group who are sick of the Liberal agenda. We realize that we have no power being that we live in a Blue state, but we still have fun making fun of the Liberals (especially the OWS hipsters!) 

adam_greb
adam_greb

So you're telling me there aren't any elected and paid conservative politicians within government whom push an agenda? I guess I don't understand.. I'm just a silly simpleton afterall.

rdandrews
rdandrews

@adam_greb those progressives won't stand up for the likes of me.  I'm a self loathing queer after all.  I don't support their ideas and views.  So I'm a homophobe, racist, and a number of other things according to them..  and you obviously..

And obviously you're happy to be regurgitate the same old crap that others liberals do saying that "most" on the right - which is your opinion not based in fact - view me as a sick faggot who needs to be fixed which is also nonsense.

I'm not a republican, said it time and again.  I'm a Constitutional conservative and I have a great deal of Libertarian leaning views as well.

But thanks for showing your true colors after what I had thought might be a reasonable discussion.  Obviously you wish to continue your life with your head firmly planted up your backside like most liberals.

keny1
keny1

@adam_greb We don't need a political party to stand up for ourselves. We are grown men. We can stand up for ourselves without a paid political figure to babysit us. That is the difference between liberals and conservatives.

rdandrews
rdandrews

@digitalprotocol @rdandrews @adam_greb Bodyslam?  Baseless lunatic?  You poor thing.  I shred everything tossed my way with facts while you nor anyone else have supplied anything to support your baseless claims.

As usual though, you do show your parents wasted their money on your education.

Oh and if you think it took me "47" minutes to type that you've got to be out of your mind.  :)  I do have things to do other than reply to stuff here.

But glad you find it so entertaining.  I've been having quite the laugh at your expense most of the evening.  :)

keny1
keny1

@digitalprotocol People who type in caps were probably picked on a lot in junior high school. 

Just Sayin'.

keny1
keny1

@digitalprotocol You are just jealous because a hot 20 y/o boy would have no interest in you.

keny1
keny1

@rdandrews Dude. You are barking up the wrong tree. Arguing with these imbeciles is fruitless. Hey, is there anyway we can contact each other via email?   

adam_greb
adam_greb

Yeah man, I'm done with this convo. But don't forget it's "the progressives" that you seem to dispise that would stand up for your right to be who you are. To most on the right you're "just another sick faggot" who needs to "fixed" with some good old fashioned religion. I hope for the best for you, even if I think you're a bit of an a hole. Peace

keny1
keny1

@digitalprotocol The sad part is that this person is the future of America. I hope he doesn't reproduce....

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rdandrews HAHAHAHAHAH YOU FAILED HARD AS FUCK NOBODIES GONNA READ THIS BULLSHIT IT TOOK YOU 47 MINUTES TO TYPE OUT. THIS MOTHER FUCKER @adam_greb TOOK THE TIME TO BODYSLAM YOU AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE TEA PARTY- RIGHT WING FEAR PROPAGATING MACHINE 

YOU HAVE EXPOSED YOURSELF AS A COMPLETE FUCKING NUT JOB 

BASELESS LUNATIC

I LOVE IT 

keny1
keny1

@swmnguy "Yeah, no kidding.  I'm a middle-aged white guy, property owner, small-business owner.  I grew up very poor on a farm and started working for money when I was 10." 

Lie. Made Up. Never Happened.

rdandrews
rdandrews

@adam_greb Libera idea of compassion and understanding?

Calling people racists when that's not a fact is not understanding or compassion.

Calling people homophobes when we have countless examples of well known conservatives such as Ronald Reagan who not only had family that were gay but was kind and understanding of other gay people including an example made to his daughter about Rock Hudson which she spoke about recently.

Declaring that Conservatives have a "war on women" when there is no substance to that argument nor has there ever been yet liberals claim that as a truth on a regular basis?

The conservative mindset is far from about fear, it's about protecting the rights that the founders gave us from people that continue to try and strip them away and make all sorts of baseless claims that "this isn't what the founders intended" which is utter nonsense.  We know what the founders intended by the various statements they made and have been recorded as part of the history of this country where they had a massive distrust of government and intentionally designed this country to get as little done as possible in the way of changing things so that the rule of law could be preserved in it's truest form for the longest period of time unless there was an issue that demanded such action that a moral argument could be made to make a change that the greatest majority agreed.

Where you come up with these baseless claims when true conservatives can cite actual information to back their views is beyond me.  I can show time and again where firearms and the data surrounding them support the view that fewer crimes occur when there are more law abiding citizens known to be carrying a firearm than you can of proving to me that gun restrictions protect people when all the data including the data collected by the FBI says otherwise.

People get robbed all the time when they are at home.  It happens far more often than you think and Atlanta had this issue at one point and some of the surrounding cities including Kennesaw took action to put a stop to violent crimes and home invasions by pushing for pro-carry / homeowner gun ownership which drove crime down dramatically.

I don't need my tinfoil hat.  I have countless examples of liberals pushing an agenda of political correctness and anti-American views into the schools that it's far from conspiracy and quite literal fact.

Are you going to tell me that telling a child that is playing with his friend and acting out being a Marine making gun sounds and pointing his finger with a pencil at a friend while "playing" is wrong?  I mean the kid was suspended from school over it.  We're telling our kids that imagination is bad and that you can't play cowboys and indians any longer because liberals don't view that as politically correct after the countless incidents in schools.

Are you going to tell me that the woman that made that little girl out to be a shameful person because her father was serving in Iraq and that he's a terrible person because he's over there killing people as part of his job (She was a black school teacher by the way and she was very pro-Obama and this was also part of the controversy surrounding that incident but wasn't worth mentioning until now) isn't pushing her liberal agenda upon little children in her class?

Are you going to tell me that it's right that Columbia hired a known murderer to be a professor and that since she has taken that job she has used it as a pulpit to preach about her so called wronged friends who are serving time for their part in those crimes as well isn't pushing her radical liberal agenda onto the student of that University?

Are you going to tell me that the conservative kids that have stood up to their liberal professors and been failed because they took a stand for themselves against their liberal professors on various assignments that were directly to do with political points of view were not having a liberal agenda pushed upon them by an educator?

I mean you want examples it's easy to find them.  This is just the few I can think of off the top of my head from around 2007 to recent times since Obama was running for office where these sorts of things have been brought into the light but the liberal media ignores those stories because it would shed too much light on an agenda that IS in place and going on in this country.

It's a liberal motto to let no crisis go to waste you know.  So why would you waste an opportunity to indoctrinate children in the schools as to a way of thinking?  It's been going on for ages now.

"Kids report your parents to the authorities if you're being abused"

That was back in the 80's..  You know what the result of that turned into?  Countless false cases of abuse being reported by kids that were simply pissed off at their parents for being punished.  Then laws started getting passed that made it clear that parents had to be very careful about what they would say or do around their kids or their kids could be taken away from them or they could be dragged into court for any reasons practically.

I witnessed that first hand in the state of Illinois and if you want to attempt to tell me that isn't part of a liberal agenda that has been forced into the education system of our country you're really out of touch with what's been going on.

How about the most recent comment by Melissa Harris-Perry  that thinks, after children are born, children fundamentally belong to the state.  That's from a "Lean Forward" spot on MSNBC and is a definite violation of personal privacy and an invasion of the rights of parents and as well is part of a liberal indoctrination ideology that is springing up all over the country.

You can bury your head in the sand and tell me it's all conspiracy and conjecture but when I've been on both sides of the isle and even worked on a project for Skip Humphrey years ago before he ran for governor and hear some of the vile things that came out of his mouth about how the party views various things and how they intend to take on various issues, not by running on the issues mind you but by distracting the public from various things - intentional misdirection - and to point out other things that are based in social issues in order to reach the voters that are more concerned about themselves than to worry about the whole of society.. Yeah..  You go ahead and keep telling yourself whatever you have to in order to sleep at night.

Oh and for the record as well.  I don't keep my guns at home under lock and key.  I have a CDW permit as a resident of the state of Florida and I exercise my right to carry everywhere I go.  I have had in the past an occasion where it became a needed item in order to protect myself and others from harm and had I not had it my life and that of others could have been lost due to someone that had no regard for the law or life.

So you go ahead and tell me that the conservative mindset is unstable and based upon fears.  It's nothing of the sort and we know it.  Rationalize what you have to but when you start to look at real facts and see real incidents going on in the world around you, then you can maybe see why a great many of us are tired of allowing this "progressive" movement to continue to undermine the safety and future of the American people.

adam_greb
adam_greb

Sorry dude but you lost me there. I'm trying to live up to the liberal idea of compassion and understanding. I'm starting to see the kind of hypocrisy that we would advocate respect and in the same breath be slanderous and nasty. We all are human afterall, and rarely live up to the kinds of standards we set up for ourselves. But in that all said, saying that theres a systematic program to teach kids to "hate America" is some serious tinfoil hat territory. I've been trying to understand the conservative mindset and it's mostly just fear based and paranoid. It's either the government is out to get you, or that I need to own guns to "protect myself." I'm not afraid of these bogeymen. If you've been robbed in the past that sucks, but I'd rather invest in some better locks than a Smith And Wesson. Nobody gets robbed when somebody's home, your gun in just going to sit there in the cabinet when out at work getting ripped off.

rdandrews
rdandrews

@digitalprotocol @rdandrews I thought you were done already.  Good lord.  Nothing like seeing your parents money wasted.

Again, yet another avoidance of my comment about supporting the Boston bomber.  You too must believe he was doing the right thing and hate this country so much that you think it's right what folks like him are doing.  So pity and love them because we supposedly misunderstand them.  To hell with the idea that they murdered and harmed innocent people.

And by the way, if you want natural selection, drop by the home of one of those patriots sometime and watch what will happen to you when the right one comes to punch your ticket.

I'm sorry that you can't seem to tell that the things you are saying are actually hate speech.  You bash people in order to try and make a point.  That is hate speech.  You're not debating an issue in a civil manner. You're just spewing hateful comments and making comments as to the sort of person that I am which is in fact still slanderous.  You can call it whatever you like but when you assert something as fact that is not the truth in the manner which you have, that's slander kid.. 

Anyway please get some sleep, you obviously didn't get your nap today and need a cookie or something to perk your mood up.  I know many young children carry on like this when they are sleepy and hungry so I can only hope that those are the two issues which have you acting in such a childish manner.

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rdandrews lastly, even you know 20 year olds know nothing

stop lying to yourself and your boy

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rdandrews hate speech? just ad hominem attacks on clueless old fukcs like you. i called you out about several things you have wrong - mostly semantics i know, still very wrong. you are a clear example of the poor public education this country has. hope you move to wisco

ending all discourse with you - you are a sick and twisted anomaly :

im an anarchist - i want chaos and i want natural selection.

if this was nature you'd already be dead, with no heirs


rdandrews
rdandrews

@digitalprotocol @rdandrews Private school?  I'm sure your parents would be proud to know what a piece of work you've turned out to be.

So you support the Boston bombers too I take it.  You obviously hate the country.  Your hate speech says it all.  Your name calling and lack of substance to support your views are very telling of your weak position.

And I mention my boyfriend as a measure to say there is hope for America because of people like him who are starting to see the truth of people like you and what it is you offer the future and how sad it would be if we continue to let folks like you, who are in fact a minority in this country while folks like me are still the majority, to ruin this country for future generations when what's been tried and true has worked for over two centuries and will continue to work once we get your hands and those like you out of the cookie jar so government and the people can function as the founders meant for it to be in the first place..

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@adam_greb this guys knows nothing about foreign policy, government, economics, the law. he just knows how to repeat things and NOT think independently ... 

rdandrews
rdandrews

@adam_greb Well I think it's those in power in China that actually have the hateful feelings towards us.  There is a bit of history with China and the US and how China has supported military causes to thwart our efforts in the past.

I know a good many Chinese people as I have had the honor of working with them in various places over the years and they told me how the government there is not fond of western ideas and views.  As a matter of fact a great deal of what comes out of America is still filtered in China.

Now on the domestic level about our own people, even kids being taught to hate America..  That's seriously a learned thing these days.  There are instances of this all over the place in our schools being slowly exposed here and there.  Such as the teachers that have been caught punishing children or talking down to them for not agreeing with a teacher about an opinion a teacher offers up on ...  political issues?

I recall a teacher calling a little girls father a murderer because he was in Iraq serving his country and she was caught doing it.  It's not an isolated incident.  Even teachers that have gone after students who are vocally against Obama, teachers have attacked some of these kids..

It's all over on Youtube and has been for years now.  Problem is that people just aren't paying attention and the media wants to sweep those things under the rug as much as possible so that parents are unaware of this process going on in the schools..

What do you think of a woman being hired as a professor who is a convicted murderer?  I mean that's recent news.  You sure don't see the liberal media jumping all over that story and how she's using that position as a platform to preach her hate and to bellow for the freedom of her husband and cohorts in crime.

This is what our country has turned into.  No more American exceptionalism.  It's hate America right in your schools.  Where does it end? 

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rdandrews private schooling dog. 

the only thing that upset me is the length of your responses. this is the internet. 

what you said about your boyfriend was cute, i hope you share it with him. you sound so proud.

education...you dont know difference between slander and libel - you dont know about about history, citing socialism failing in russia when it never existed just as we do not exist in a democracy in america, its a representative democracy. the reps only hear money. democracy fails us everytime.

your thoughts and values on all things youve shared with us is exactly the reason the political system is perverted. you think biz growth in texas and florida is a good thing... its not 

you are a tired old fuck with antiquated ideas and queer proclivities. your time is up nobody gives a shit about you or your boyfriend ( who for some reason you keep talkingabout)  

GO TO SLEEP

rdandrews
rdandrews

@digitalprotocol @rdandrews It's nice to know I struck a nerve..  Here's a fact for you..  My boyfriend is 20.  A conservative..  and has more sense in his head than you do to just blast people with ignorant comments and hateful remarks.

You're irrelevant and a waste of taxpayer dollars as is evident by your lack of education.

I grew up and lived in the Twin Cities before you were born most likely.  Last I check the 1st Amendment is still intact much to your distaste I am sure..  So I can speak where I like and how I like and there's nothing you can do about it child.

But thanks for showing your mental age and what we've come to expect of a failed liberal school system.

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rdandrews @keny1 why dont you guys write a book. Jesus. 

this entire thread has devolved to two gay conservatives (oxymoronic for sure) writing essays. you two need work on internet life.

Bottom line - you shared with the entire world that you would, with out a second though, open fire on home intruders. what if you shit your beloved boyfriend as he came home late one night from dancing his ass off at the club? like the grandpa who popped his grandaughter.

FYI - USSR never had socialism - ever heard of joseph stalin? 

this is city pages for city readers. in CITIES you are the minority. only hicks and old fucks share similar thoughts as you.

texas and florida, texas and florida  - you site those states. the two states most likely to be destroyed or secede

fkn HICKS and geezers - fuk all u

adam_greb
adam_greb

I was talking about domestic issues like these kids stealing. You really think China "hates" us? What, why? I'm sure the average Chinese citizen likes going to see American movies, buying American brands, and is happy about the investment of American countries that has launched their economy to where it is. Most people are too worried about their day to day lives to hate other people.

rdandrews
rdandrews

@adam_greb yeah but government that is large and bulky has never been effective and is wasteful.  History has taught us that in this country.

Social issues I think government needs to stay out of as much as possible such as this marriage issue and I think that marriage on the whole needs to be abolished under law and it be relegated back to a personal and spiritual place.  People should be able to have equal protections under the law period.  Marriage should not give two people of opposite sex any more power than people same sex with regard to legal and medical matters.

Yes there needs to be some sort of legal documentation to demonstrate that the individuals involved in the partnership have given legal consent for things such as medical and financial and so on but marriage should not make that automatic.  It's a flawed and faulted system.

Government seems to often more than not screw up social issues just as it does a great many other things.  So better to limit it's scope to only saying that "You have same rights and it's time these folks stop trying to take away your right to be equal to others"

I mean literally that should be it's very limited scope in almost everything.  We were better as a country when it was still like that.

rdandrews
rdandrews

@adam_greb Trying to understand the why is really not the issue any longer.  We actually know the why part but people refuse to let it sink in.

America is hated by some because we allow our women to vote, speak, think, and do things that men do.  That's most of the Islamic controlled countries out there including Iran who is the biggest voice of hate towards America / western values.

America didn't finish what they started.  That's Afghanistan when we left them hanging in the wind after making a commitment to help them assert their freedom at one point in time.. 

China, I'm not so sure they hate us as much as they want to finally run us over and take everything we have.  I know they have hated the outrage we have created against them in the International community over past events and the fact that we protect Taiwan from Chinese aggression as well.

Everyone has their reason to hate America but no one seems to see the fact that we are to this day the most benevolent country in the history of the world and we do more in the way of aid and good will than any country in the world currently.  But hey, we're still evil people according to many outside of the country that are spoon fed their information by state media..  Much like is happening here in the states now.


adam_greb
adam_greb

It's insulting to say that liberals don't believe in hard work. Anyways I suppose I'm a social liberal, but a moderate (probably haven't heard that word in a while) in regards to government. I don't care about big or small government, I care about effective government. It should provide security, education, infrastructure, and the ability for business to do it's think while making sure it's also protecting its citizens and environment from said bad business practices.

adam_greb
adam_greb

I guess the point we are trying to make is that people do terrible things for a reason and that we should try to understand WHY they do them not just right them off. OF COURSE they should be punished and imprisoned, maybe they'll never be able to be active members of society but maybe there is a way to prevent others in the future from commuting these kinds of crimes.

adam_greb
adam_greb

Yes, there are some people on welfare. Most of them are hard working struggling people who can't make ends meet. Yes, some people make bad decisions but I don't know what kind of life they have lived to make those decisions (I haven't walked a mile in their shoes. Judge not less ye be judged.) I think we as humans have a duty to try to minimize people from making those bad decisions through education and little bit of compassion. It's insulting to say I'm an advocate to say of a welfare state. Anyways I guess I don't understand the outrage because some inner city single mother is getting a couple hundred bucks a month to feed her kid when there are large corporations and millionaires have trillions of hidden untaxed money in offshore accounts. Capitalism is great for some things, but it is not a means to govern a country.

keny1
keny1

@adam_greb You are a classic example of how this nation started. People came here with nothing. No money. No nothing. They had less than you did. But they became somebody due to hard work (which is somehow vilified by Liberals). They took risks, some of them failed, some of them succeeded. But the ones who succeeded did so because they knew how to succeed. Starting a small business is hard and it takes time, money and effort. But if this your dream, you can do it! 

rdandrews
rdandrews

@keny1 I feel ya..  I got fed up with it too.  But you hit the nail on the head.  A lot of these people that lash out at me are the same folks looking for handouts and that lead destructive lives and expect the rest of us to pay for it.

So sad but true..

rdandrews
rdandrews

@adam_greb While I respect you guys for speaking up in a sane and civil manner unlike the previous two lunkheads, the fact is that we disagree on very key issues and historically and legally under the constitution as well the reasoning the founders created the laws that they did..  I'm on the right track and in my right mind to tell you both..  Socialism does not work if you wish to accomplish what this country has through capitalism and giving people the freedom that they enjoy here.

I understand there are models elsewhere in the world that have worked to a degree but they're either not truly socialist or they don't enjoy the same freedoms we do, or they don't enjoy the same level of care medically, or they don't enjoy the same opportunity to become master of your own future by becoming rich and successful.

Here's a fact.  For any of you to try and tell me there isn't an indoctrination process going on right now in our schools would be just laughable.  It's been going on since the Department of Education was formed under Carter where the federal government starts putting strings on money and should the schools not comply, no money.  Simple as that.  Now when he did that he added a whole level of government that started sucking up masses of funds that could have gone directly to the schools to improve and build them up.  Instead we have literally seen trillions in waste poured into departments that only trickle money out to various places.

It's like a charity that you don't take the time to investigate how much of each dollar that comes in actually makes it to the end point.

There was a study done on allocated funding for welfare in this country a while back here now.  It basically came out and said that due to government bureaucracy, most funding for welfare and programs that could truly help get people out of poverty and into real jobs and actually help the American people is actually put in the pockets of government workers.  That in absence of all that bureaucracy each man, woman, and child on welfare could be paid something around I think it was 60k or more a year.  I'll have to hunt that down again but I was just shocked at this.

Government is a wasteful resource.  Socialized departments do not work.  They waste.  Government produces nothing.  So how about instead of allowing government to make those decisions we start letting private industry to do it's job and fill those voids.

I'm not saying we void any and all regulation.  I'm saying we force the government to live within it's means.  I'm saying we stop allowing kids to have this victim mentality and tell them they need to learn to work and provide for themselves and that you know..  A good old fashion spanking doesn't hurt once in awhile if it gets the message across that you need to pull your head out of your backside and mind your manners.

I'm not saying your views are without merit and compassion, I'm saying that there is a better way and we've done it time and again but we have got to stop allowing government to grow to insane points, cut it back, level the playing field, stop giving in to the idea that America has done bad things when we're the most benevolent country in the history of the world and start being proud of what we've created here by improving upon it.

We've spent the last roughly 30 years replacing what works with what doesn't and it's not getting better and more people than ever are suffering for our lack of commitment to improving America for future generations.

It's high time we start enforcing the laws we have and telling our government what they will be doing, not what we'd like them to do.

*shrug*  I'm just not going to sit idle and say nothing when I see radicals like these other two clowns trying it sound like I should have pity for kids that want to commit terrible crimes.  That's been the liberal message in the mainstream for some time now and it's got to come to an end at some point before people really do get hurt.

keny1
keny1

@adam_greb No...tell us how you feel. You are a citizen of this nation. You have every right to tell us how you feel. All Liberals are not bad. Some of them make some thought-provoking statements. Tell us how you think! That is the beauty of America. People are allowed free thought. 

adam_greb
adam_greb

I probably should just go back to working on starting my small business so I can better myself, but I must admit it's pretty hard when you're also working a low paid but highly skilled labor job who I've worked for for almost five years and yet still can't be hired full time. It's hard to pull myself by my bootstraps when I can't even afford to buy the boots.

keny1
keny1

@keny1 As a gay conservative myself, I have been bashed constantly on here. I was once called a "traitor to my race" (I never knew that being gay was a race). Go figure. I guess what I don't understand is why we are vilified. All I ask for is a lean Government and accountability for my tax dollars (that I work hard for). That's it. I am not asking for special privilege. I am more than happy to pay taxes for the services that the Government grants me. However, when I see roads not being plowed during the recent snowstorms due to "budget cuts", while at the same time I see Welfare being handed out to people who never paid one DIME into the system, then yes, I have a right to have an issue with that. But if I express my opinion, the Liberals on here call me "racist" and "out of touch". Out of touch of what? 

Obviously I am gay and therefore do not procreate. I am single and yes, sometimes I like to have some "nookie", if you will. But when I do, I take responsibility, use condoms, and do not engage in risky behavior. And let me guess. Those people who called you "a self loathing fag" were probably also the same people who engaged in unprotected sex and ended up with some kind of STD. And let me guess. Most of them were unemployed and got "free" treatment from the Red Door (aka Tax Payer money).

To me, the "welfare mama" and the "HIV dude" are no different. They expect others to pay for their bad decisions. And as a tax payer, I have had ENOUGH of these social programs that do NOTHING to solve the problem of irresponsible behavior. 

adam_greb
adam_greb

It really gets under my skin and that's the problem and I know I probably shouldn't be reading comments on the Internet. It fills me with absolute rage, but I refrain from writing what I actually feel because I know it would be counter productive ( I guess I'm just one of those non-thinking liberals). I really hope you're right about it being a vocal minority.

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@adam_greb Yeah, no kidding.  I'm a middle-aged white guy, property owner, small-business owner.  I grew up very poor on a farm and started working for money when I was 10.  I've worked full-time since I was 16.  Yet I'm some kind of Commie who hates America and loves handouts because I believe the laws should apply to everybody and people should be treated fairly, and that a decent society treats people decently and shouldn't let anybody starve or live in miserable poverty in the midst of all this abundance.

I also freely admit that plenty of people out there just can't act right, but I believe there's something wrong with those people, not that they're evil.  

I'm also aware of all internet traditions, trolling and hyperbole among them.  But I try not to indulge, nor to let it get under my skin.  Whatever.  Some people really seem to need the release offered by anonymous invective.  If it keeps them from blowing their top and hurting somebody for real, I suppose it's OK with me.  But I don't want people to read extreme or obnoxious internet comments and think they're some kind of majority opinion.  Most people are decent and sensible, Thanks for posting.

adam_greb
adam_greb

Damn, what crawled up your butt today? I mean those other guys were being kind of pricks towards you but you just finish by spewing the same old regurgitated party line garbage. "Liberals hate America, Liberals want to take your hard earned money from you and make the country into a communist dystopia yadda yadda nonsense crap." You know it's B.S. At least I hope you do. I mean you keep claiming to be so intelligent. I'd like to think you do (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt). Just because I may disagree with a particular social or economic policy does not mean "I hate America." Also, there are quite successful "socialist" countries like Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. Even so, I doubt most here would even want that much. I don't think it's an extreme to want to strike a balance between government and business, and oppression and anarchy. I believe in competition, but I also believe (like all forms of competition ie. sports, tests, etc.) there should be ground rules that all should abide by. I know I'm an "extremist" to you but I also believe food, shelter, access to clean water, and healthcare are basic human rights, and that we should try to provide for the less fortunate and bring them into the fold of productive members of society. I want to teach a man to fish, so to speak. Sure there may be a few bad seeds out there causing trouble, but us crazy liberal types thinks it may be a better idea to cure the disease of inequality, violence, and victimization than to just treat the symptoms. I'll have to appologize for their behavior, even if they don't want me to. Engaging in such petty name calling is what is the undueing of our country, and it's quite childish regardless of whom started it.

rdandrews
rdandrews

@keny1 @rdandrews I couldn't agree with you more and I appreciate the fact that there are some sane minds around here that recognize values and responsibility over "it's someone elses fault and responsibility."

I wasn't the least bit surprised by the name calling and lack of response to my big question about being supportive of the Boston bomber.

As I was telling my boyfriend and another friend a bit ago, it seems that we live in a country now where the liberal mindset of people is that we are a bad country and that we should punish ourselves by accepting it nicely when someone kills our children and injure countless hundreds of people.

I find it to be socially unacceptable among liberals to form an independent thought because government and media know best and instead of having facts on their side to support views, they have catch phrases and slogans with no substance which is just ludicrous.  When you ask them to engage in a civil dialog, the minute that you point out facts which they have no means to rebut they will reduce the dialog to argumentative drivel and colorful metaphors and even personal attacks on your character as this thread clearly shows the normal liberal pattern of just that sort of mentality.

The fact is that I do pity unborn children and those children too young to understand what this is all about right now.  It's people like these liberal clowns that I fear will allow our society to continue to raise their children which will only create more burden, debt, and social chaos when the whole system collapses in upon itself.

It's liberals that attacked children that were committing vicious crimes and so they wanted them tried as adults at younger and younger ages.  Now that the standard is in place, now they want us to look at them as poor helpless children that are still committing the same vicious crimes but we should pity them and feel sorry for them.  Right up until we sentence them to life in prison or death in some cases.

Yes, this is what I call a very backward society.  But hey, I'm supposedly a religious right winger that hates myself or as many in the gay community right there in the Twin Cities used to call me..  "Self loathing fag"

Oh well..  I'm glad I had grandparents that taught me better values than the ilk that posts ignorant comments here.  Cheers to you :)  God bless you and wish you well..

keny1
keny1

@rdandrews With all due respect, you are really barking up the wrong tree by spouting off your conservative values on here. This is City Pages, after all. As you can see, the readership on here do not want to hear the words "personal responsibility", "responsible parenthood", or God forbid, "Free Enterprise." 

The only words they understand are "More Taxes", "Big Government" and "Free Handouts". The concept of being responsible for one's own actions is foreign to them. As you stated so eloquently, they have been indoctrinated into the PC public education system and brainwashed by the Liberal media. They have been taught that if they make bad decisions in life and end up poor or a criminal, it is all the fault of the white conservative. In other words, people like you are the source of their plight. 

And according to MichelleBachmann and digitalprotocol, if one of these gang members break into your house, you have no right to fire at them. Instead, you should just offer them milk and cookies because they are the "true" victims. 

And finally, I have to say that you did a great job of tearing their arguments apart. Once you reduced them down to what they are, their only response was to insult you by using juvenile language because that's how simple-minded people concede defeat.

I'm surprised they didn't call you a racist................... 

rdandrews
rdandrews

@digitalprotocol @rdandrews You're funny..  I don't support the religious right.

Do you even know what the difference between a "Conservative" and a Republican is?  Oh wait..  You must not because you obviously don't understand the English language or how to use it well enough to discern the difference between those two words.

Of course your lack of intelligence continues when you decide to call me all those colorful metaphors which are slander by the very definition of the word.  You're implying that I am a scumbag and a piece of shit. Try Websters sometime.  You might become enlightened as to the definitions of various words and learn to differentiate between what a Conservative and a Religious Right Wing Republican are as well.

Florida and Texas are booming because they create a friendly environment for businesses.  Not because they are poaching it and not that there is anything wrong with them doing that because that's what capitalism is all about.

If you want to complain about the Tax Code blame that on the liberals as well that refuse to do as we Conservatives and a great many Libertarians have been asking for congress to implement for some time now which is a national consumption tax so that everyone has to pay equally.  But you're probably to thick to understand the idea of fair as a liberal choad smoker that only echos what you've been spoon fed by the liberal talking heads and state run media.

You obviously know nothing about Texas or Florida and that is why you are incapable of leveling a mature response which is also something I come to expect of small minded people such as yourself.

And just because I actually take the time to form a complete thought, post it, and stand my ground, doesn't make it long and boring..  Actually several of my friends on Facebook have been watching this thread unfold and messaging me laughing about how I've slaughtered the innocent lambs that you all seem to think yourselves to be.

For the record.  I support human rights.  The rights of those on all sides to believe and do what they are permitted under the constitution.  I do not believe in marriage.  Marriage is a matter of spiritual and personal belief and government should not be involved in that process whatsoever.  I believe our Founding Fathers knew what they were talking about, far more than the likes of a poorly educated child such as yourself, when they founded this country and wrote the constitution which was designed to keep government as far out of the lives of the people as possible and allow for the people to protect themselves from threats both foreign and domestic.

You don't have to like what they did.  If you don't move to another country where you believe things to be more fitting for your socialist points of view.  Otherwise, stop complaining that someone might actually engage in free thought and doesn't support a bunch of whining twits in the gay community or liberals that want to turn the USA into the USSR (you know, that country that failed and starved millions of people before they finally collapsed and gave in to the fact that socialism doesn't work).

I know it hurts that someone believes you should actually have to work for a living and earn your keep.  I understand that you're butt hurt over the idea that you can't come over to my house and steal from me because I might kill you for being an idiot.  But that doesn't make me a scumbag or a piece of shit.  It makes me smarter than you and willing to defend myself and those I love from socially awkward children such as yourself that throw a tantrum anytime someone eviscerates your views in public.

Thanks for playing.  

rdandrews
rdandrews

@digitalprotocol @rdandrews Seriously?  I can't even bother to reply to you.

Oh wait..  The one thing I'll reply to.  Florida..  The asshole of America?  Funny that as it's rated 2nd in the country for companies that want to do business and create jobs as well as be in communities that have something positive to offer those that they employ.  Texas being number one of the lost.

People like you that don't know their facts, make slanderous remarks to somehow make yourself seem better than you really are, aren't truly worth wasting words on so I'll leave you to your lonely life and bitter thoughts.

See I have a wonderful boyfriend that thinks for himself and had good parents that taught him the value of hard work and the rewards that go along with that.  There are a few good gay guys out there that aren't completely brainwashed by liberal trash such as yourself and it's nice I share the company of one of them so that when sewage like yourself shows up, I can remind him of what a great person he is for turning out how he has.

Thanks for giving me something to show him so he can once again be reminded of how much higher on the food chain he is than folks such as yourself.

rdandrews
rdandrews

@MicheleBachmann @rdandrews For fun I hop online, read the news, and see the boundless stupidity of people such as yourself that think we should be gentle and kind to people that rape, kill, and steal instead of getting a job, contributing something to the community, and leading productive lives.

You're attempting to compare kids that egg houses, toss toilet papers into the trees, and things along those lines to those that would hurt people all to obtain weapons and steal from people that have worked hard to get the things they have.

Your hate of America is clear when you take a position that these people who obviously are patriotic Americans obviously somehow deserve to be victims and that these "kids" somehow deserve pity for acts of violence and aggression.

I'm not blood thirsty or anxious for people to be shot. I'm anxious to see people protect themselves from the criminals that this society has produced thanks to liberal oppression through massive taxes, regulation,  and an education system that think everyone is a winner instead of teaching values, ethics, and hard work and teaches kids that they're entitled to whatever someone else has even if they never worked for it.

You liberals never cease to amaze me at how you justify yourselves.  Obviously you do sympathize with the kid that killed several including an 8yo boy along with injuring over 200 people in the Boston bombing.  You didn't reply rejecting the notion so obviously you do condone his views and attitude of hating America as you must also.

Here's the kicker for you.  I'm gay, I'm a conservative, and I do have a set of ethics and values with regard to how people should conduct themselves.  I was taught that if someone puts your life in danger or threatens it that you have the right by the law of this land to protect yourself and those you love by any means and that justifies killing someone in my book.

I don't care if these kids come from broken homes or not.  It's your liberal system that created those broken homes.  Before we had tons of welfare we had a society that believed in charity and teaching our kids values.  It wasn't perfect but it was better than the system we have in place now that indoctrinates children from the minute they enter the public school systems.  My mother was a teacher for over 25 years in the public schools in Illinois and I've witnessed what your views have done to kids and families first hand.  The world was a better place before socialist ideas decided that government could raise our kids better and teach them that they didn't have to work to get things for free from the government..

So don't come at me with your supposed moral superiority because you lack it in every way.  You're part of the problem.

It's a fact that in heavily armed areas where criminals know there are people that are armed and willing to use a firearm to protect their homes that crime drops.  Kennesaw Georgia is the perfect example of that when they passed a law requiring homeowners to own firearms.  Granted, it wasn't able to be enforced but violent crimes and home invasions reduced radically.

The very idea that you could be shot and killed prevented lives from being lost.  It's a repeated fact in one place after another and folks like you hate that it's the truth.

Stop tossing out excuses and pathetic talking points and come up with something of an argument to support your position instead of tossing out condescending remarks aimed to make yourself sound like you're on some sort of moral high ground.  You're not.  You're making excuses for stupidity and a breakdown in the values of our society.

When the rule of law breaks down the people have a right to step up and protect themselves from those that would violate their personal property and space and threaten the lives of not only themselves but their family.  Once again..  These are not kids.  They're criminals and violent ones at that.  Stop trying to sympathize with them and start learning that you're only contributing to the problem.

With that said..  You're no longer worth replying to because you bring nothing but nonsense to the table and that's been proven each time you reply to anyone here.

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rdandrews you need to work on your internet skills, maybe pray to your stupid god for help. 50 bucks says you're some fat old white piece of shit!

some dumb shit you typed in that rant, murdering kids if you weren't vacationing in the asshole of america. 

typical shit from someone who vacations in florida. Traditional is over dude. you on the web now. we see you

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@rdandrews  For fun you went on the internet to spread "the good news" about your hopes to see kids shot because they made a mistake and committed a crime.  You then went out to cite family values as a reason kids committing a property crime need to die.   It's creepy and savage you yearn to see people die so badly. You need to take a long hard look at yourself.   These kids come from broken homes and broken communities   Their background and youth explain why they make horrible decisions and do horrible things.  Why are you so bloodthirsty and eager to see people get shot?  

rdandrews
rdandrews

@MicheleBachmann It's funny you think I'm a terrible person when you take up a name of a person that spews hate comments towards the gay community in this country as well.

I value human life just fine.  I do not however value life of those that would attempt to harm others and your justification that they're "kids" is nonsense and has no traction.  These so called "kids" invade homes, kill, rape, and steal precious moments of peoples lives all the time and you think that they're lives are worth saving?

How about the two kids in Florida that came rushing into a Casino with a gun drawn.. Teenagers..  threatening old people..  Thankfully there was a man there, a customer, armed and shot both of them and caused them to run out of the place..

It's people like you that assign more value to human life than it deserves that sincerely make my day a bit more enjoyable.  You think that criminals should be awarded sympathy.  I'm sure you think that the kids that bombed Boston deserve our sympathy as well.  I mean he's only 19 after all.  He's just a kid.

Who are you to sit in judgment of me?  I cite family values because if these kids had been brought up in homes where traditional family values of the American past were applied, we wouldn't likely be having this conversation at all.  As it is I'm not going to give sympathy where none is deserved.

I lived in Minneapolis for a very long time.  I worked for Cray Research out in Eagan and lived in Brooklyn Park.  I voted for Jesse Ventura when he was Mayor and again when he was governor.  My home was robbed by kids in Brooklyn Park and had I been home instead of on vacation in Florida, not one of those kids would likely have made it out of my home alive.  And I knew all of them as well.  Knowing them didn't change the fact that to defend my home I would have ended their lives as is my right to do so.  Parents losing their kids to people like me that would happily end their existence for invading my property deserve no sympathy. Teach your kids respect and to be honest and decent people.  You won't have to worry about them getting killed by someone like me.

Otherwise..  Suffer the consequences because I for one am tired of putting up with pathetic excuses from the likes of folks like you that think we should pity all these people when pity doesn't fix the problem.  A hard example of what will happen is the best teacher.  Simple enough.

Now take your judgment and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.  People like you are useless and a waste of my air.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@rdandrews    It's funny you justify shooting teens by citing family values.  You are a terrible person with no compassion.   Something very wrong with you as a human being to value human life so cheaply.   Keep making Jesus proud with your stupid savagery.  

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