National Labor Relations Board finds merit with fired Chicago Lakes Liquor workers' case

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Erica Nicole
Protestors picket outside Chicago Lake Liquors earlier this spring.
Today, the National Labor Relations Board announced it has found merit in the wrongful termination case put forth by the Chicago Lake Liquors Five, meaning the NLRB will now represent the fired workers as they try to receive back pay and/or get their jobs back.

THE BACKSTORY: Fired Chicago Lake Liquors workers still expect to get jobs back with back pay

According to fired Chi-Lake worker Hallie Wallace, the next step will be for an NLRB representative to present a settlement offer to Chi-Lake owner John Wolf. If Wolf doesn't accept the offer, the case could go before an administrative law judge. In an interview earlier this week, Marlin Osthus, regional director for the local branch of the NLRB, said the board has a perfect record during the last couple of years in cases that have wound up in court.

Wallace said she and the four other workers who were fired from Chi-Lake earlier this spring just days after petitioning management for raises won't accept a settlement that doesn't involve getting their jobs back. She said she's been told by the NLRB that if Wolf doesn't accept a settlement, the case should come before an administrative law judge within the next couple of months.

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mohanlon3
mohanlon3

Sometimes people fight bad management in order to help the next guy who will hold that job.  Organization isn't always about the self, sometimes it's about the group.  If a person believes in civic duty to labor, then they will fight to put illegal workplace practices to rights.  I would act if I saw a person racially discriminated against even if it cost me my job (And it has.)  I didn't do that for me, I did it because it was the right thing to do.

keny1
keny1

You know. I just thought of something. Instead of fighting CLL (which will result in nothing), why don't they just do what every loser does: Go on Welfare. Who the hell wants to work for a living when you can just go on the Government dole? For real. Free housing, free food, free health care, free public transportation, free cell phones, etc.? Free shit! Just shit out a baby every 9 months, and you will be gettin' PAID!! If they hate the "MAN" so much, why don't they just quit working for him? Just collect free shit. That's what all the whores in North Minneapolis do. And it has worked out very well for them.

No.Um.Sayin?

eddyhaskl
eddyhaskl

They are a group of people who intentionally get hired in a spot and try to organize and unionize from within. They fancy themselves communists. Look up the names of people involved in the jimmy johns ordeal.

Sam Alarcon
Sam Alarcon

It is all about how you go about doing things. Why doesn't it show both sides of the fight.

nancygracedeathsquad
nancygracedeathsquad

This is the stupidest goddamn thing. Why the hell shouldn't an employer be able to fire an employee for any reason? They don't have a right to the employer's money or to permanently occupy any position at someone else's place of business. What a bunch of fucking losers; Honestly, if it is that bad why would they even want to go back to work there? Just to spite them? That's a shitty goal. If they want more money so bad, do something that merits the pay; slinging bottles of cheap whiskey isn't exactly rocket science or a career.

keny1
keny1

The sad thing is that all five of these people are in their mid to late 20's. If you are working as a clerk at Chicago Lake Liquor at that age (and that is your sole source of income), then you obviously made some seriously bad decisions in life.

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

As someone who has been an employer and an employee, and owned a couple of businesses, I've never understood why so many people are unaware that the right to organize goes both ways.  Everyone agrees that employers have the right to organize, which is what we call incorporation, and that gives business owners certain protections.  If I get sued in the course of running my business, I can't lose my personal house, for instance.  I get certain tax advantages.  Etc.

But so many people are unaware of, or opposed to, the fact that employees have similar rights.  Those rights have been severely eroded over the past few decades, and are often not recognized or enforced, but they still exist.

JoeHill115
JoeHill115

I saw this coming. The employer illegally canned employees engaged in protected concerted activity.

NLRB: "The law we enforce gives employees the right to act together to try to improve their pay and working conditions or fix job-related problems, even if they aren't in a union. If employees are fired, suspended, or otherwise penalized for taking part in protected group activity, the National Labor Relations Board will fight to restore what was unlawfully taken away."

If you want to learn more about the National Labor Relations Act, go to: http://www.nlrb.gov/concerted-activity

ChazDanger
ChazDanger topcommenter

You can't just fire 5 people without reason.  Asking for a raise in not a reason.

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

this fucking girl was 2 hours late for her shift the day she was fired...


that is really all that matters


nothing matters

J.PDX
J.PDX

http://www.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2012/04/04/update-new-seasons-firing-of-ryan-gaughan-ruled-wrong, Reminds me of a case out in Portland where an employee of a local supermarket was caught sneaking extra food and fired because of it.  A judge later ruled that there wasn't sufficient enough evidence to support the employee's firing because the belief was that the cashier was at fault for not noticing the extra food.  Whether you agree or disagree with Mr. Wolf's firing of these individuals or not he is going to need documented proof as to why he fired them or I can see a judge ruling in these fired individuals favor. 

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

If these fools win, there is no constitution

mohanlon3
mohanlon3

@keny1 You have obviously never applied for welfare.  LOTS don't qualify.  Especially if you are a single adult male with no dependents.  

keny1
keny1

@eddyhaskl I wouldn't call them communists. Communists believe that the Government should take care of them. These people are actually socialists; They believe that private enterprise should pay them X amount amount of money just because.

keny1
keny1

@Sam Alarcon Because this is the City Sewer....err....I mean Pages. They only show the side of a story that supports their political agenda. However, the fact that Chicago Lake Liquor has so far refused to give any statements about this issue, I won't hold that against CP.

JoeHill115
JoeHill115

@nancygracedeathsquad Nancy, we're gonna need to go ahead and move you downstairs into storage B. We have some new people coming in, and we need all the space we can get. So if you could just go ahead and pack up your stuff and move it down there, that would be terrific, OK?

keny1
keny1

@ChazDanger And they were explicitly told by their employer that they were fired due to the fact that they requested a raise? Gee, I don't see anywhere in the article stating that.................

occupymyass
occupymyass

@J.PDX No, he doesn't need proof. In MN employers don't need any reason at all to fire an employee, they just can't be discriminatory. "She didn't smile at customers" is enough of a reason to can a cashier. 

_Joe_
_Joe_

@mingtran That's a pretty broad statement.  Care to cite specific clauses, or explain your thinking on that one?

Drewey
Drewey topcommenter

Do you even understand the difference between the constitution and laws? Do you understand that just because you don't agree with something that its not automatically wrong. Do you understand ANYTHING?

T.S.Moody
T.S.Moody

@mingtran What do you know about this situation?  Any firsthand knowledge, or are you just a know-it-all observer?

Onan
Onan

@mohanlon3 @keny1 What's the point of trying to enlighten keny1? He's just not all that smart.

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@Rico_Hedake i dont drink you pinko fuck

if i was to drink i would post something like this : SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU ASS-HAT MORON

Onan
Onan

@keny1 @digitalprotocol  If they have documentation of that serial tardiness and decide to just fire her, then she had no case. The fact that they got rid of ALL of them at the same time right after they present a request is the part that sunk CLL. If the owners of CLL were smarter, they would have let these people go over the course of several weeks. I guess they didn't think that one through.

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

If Mr. Business owner can't legally fire people to hire others that will work for less, what's the point of even having a business if you aren't even allowed to hire and fire who you want? Does the constitution give the gov authority to directly hire and fire those engaged in the private sector? How can "at will employment be challenged"?

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

The world is too scary for you, that's why you don't live your life.

keny1
keny1

@Drewey "Do you understand that just because you don't agree with something that its not automatically wrong." 

That isn't what you said about the people who believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman..........................

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

Research "at will employment", champ. They almost certainly signed a waiver, just like you almost certainly did too

Onan
Onan

@keny1 @Onan Perhaps these were the 5 who actually had "face time" with the owners of CLL? I guess we'll see how this plays out in the coming weeks.

My guess is that they will settle out-of-court for an "undisclosed amount of money" and not get their positions back.

occupymyass
occupymyass

@Onan @keny1 @digitalprotocol wrong. they don't have to document jack. and if it is ever heard in court, it will be the fired workers who have to prove they were canned because of protected activity. good luck with that. 

keny1
keny1

@Onan You are incorrect. 13 workers signed this request, yet only these 5 were fired. Therefore, there are obviously other reasons why they were canned.

Onan
Onan

@mingtran I'll speak slowly so you can understand a bit better.  It   means"   You   don't   understand   labor   laws."

_Joe_
_Joe_

@mingtran What in the world does that have to do with the Constitution?

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

What does that mean?

Onan
Onan

@mingtran You're not really comprehending labor laws, are you?

keny1
keny1

@Drewey And you keep deflecting my questions. My who point here was to criticize your hypocrisy. On one hand you state that if someone disagrees with something, it isn't automatically wrong. But then if someone disagrees with those those who are in favor of gay marriage, then they are AUTOMATICALLY wrong. You can't have it both ways, Sparky.

But then, I sometimes forget that Drewey decides for all of us what is right or wrong. And if you disagree with Drewey, you are automatically wrong. Why? Because Drewey said so.

Drewey
Drewey topcommenter

You really struggle with comprehension. You can't even argue using an apples to apples comparison. I've said before that you simply aren't smart enough for these types of conversations.

keny1
keny1

@Drewey Drug users and those who own firearms are not  "specific" groups? What about smokers. They are not allowed to smoke in public places (including privately owned establishments). That specific group is being discriminated against. Is that not wrong?

Drewey
Drewey topcommenter

Those are examples of laws that apply to everyone, so they really aren't relevant to a discussion about laws that discriminate against a specific group. But, as you've proven time and time again, specifics aren't really your strong suit.

keny1
keny1

@Drewey So if someone disagrees with the Law or the Constitution is automatically wrong?

I think drugs should be legal. Am I wrong to think that because the law says otherwise?

How about the people who believe that guns should be banned because the 2nd Amendment is archaic and does not apply to modern America?

Are they wrong too?

Drewey
Drewey topcommenter

The law, champ. Or the constitution. Or the golden rule for those that like that stuff.

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@Drewey great vocab!  your examples are a little too flamboyant for my tastes. 

Drewey
Drewey topcommenter

Your nihilistic concept bores me. Anything more creative to offer?

Drewey
Drewey topcommenter

Yes it is. You believe gay marriage is wrong, it's not

Onan
Onan

@keny1 @Drewey   - he said "automatically" wrong. in that case the "traditional" marriage folks were just plain wrong in basing their argument on religious grounds.

T.S.Moody
T.S.Moody

@mingtran I did not sign any waiver to work where I do, and have worked for 6 years.  My employer is a fair and honest person who does not take advantage of employees.

DavidFoureyes
DavidFoureyes topcommenter

@mingtran "at-will" is the wall behind which the world's stupidest employers hide. I was subpoenaed multiple times for actions against my bosses who hid behind this shit so many times and deposed admitting, "no, they're dumb fuggers, they knew what they were doing, they dismissed this person, admittedly in discover-able evidence, for not the reason they just told you." and lost three wrongful term cases...Go to school or move to Somalia..."at-will" is a wall made of cellophane.

keny1
keny1

@banditoloco That is nothing but liberal propaganda. In any industry, if a worker is productive and efficient and contributes to the company's bottom line, the employer will do anything in their power within reason to keep them. If these five losers were so important to the continued growth of CLL, not only would they have not been fired, they would have received wage increases without having to ask for them. And if you take a look at the photo of the "CLL Five", you will see that the only thing that they are efficient in is whining because they think that they are entitled to more than they are worth. Remember, a wage is nothing more than a price in exchange for labor. And just like quality products command a higher price, so does quality labor.

banditoloco
banditoloco

@mingtran Look up the NLRB.

Also, take a look around you. These are the jobs that are being "created". And your employer yes YOURS, no matter where you work in the US, is currently implementing the methods tried and tested in low wage industries for speeding up work, cutting more hours, paying you less for more work, etc. If these workers don't organize, your job is next.

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