Amy Klobuchar defends NSA monitoring, says it prevented dozens of "potential terrorist attacks" [VIDEO]

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Klobuchar: "I think what people are most concerned about... is if people are reading your content." She said the NSA doesn't do that.
Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar are both members of the Senate Judiciary Committee and therefore are as plugged in as anybody when it comes to matters pertaining to the NSA, FISA, and Patriot Act.

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And in recent interviews, both have spoken out in defense of the NSA's controversial phone and internet communications monitoring programs, citing the role they say the programs have already played in preventing terrorist attacks.

Here's a transcript of what Klobuchar had to say about the NSA leaks during a recent interview with Politico:
I think, first of all, we all know after what happened on 9/11 that we needed to revamp our programs of our national intelligence, our national security. There were silos everywhere. Information wasn't being spread. If you look back at that time and you think about the dismay that people had when they realized some of this information had come in.

I'm from Minnesota, and we actually caught one of the guys there -- the only guy who was caught early, Moussaoui -- and in fact none of that had really been passed on to the right people to figure out that maybe something was going on here. So that's just one example and where I come from when I look at this.

On the other hand, I've always believed that we have to balance -- this as a prosecutor -- we have to balance security, and we have to balance privacy. That's why I've actually supported things that I'd like to see part of this in the future. A shorter time period for reauthorization of the FISA bill, so that we're able to actually look at these things more quickly so that things come up, the world changes, sophisticated technology [is] added, and Congress should have more oversight by looking at it more quickly. This would be an example of that.

Secondly, I think we should wherever possible make public some of the underlying orders, the legal opinions, and I voted for Senator Merkley's provision on that.

All that being said, I think the American people are going to have to step back a little and look at the facts here. It appears from what we know so far that the NSA, for American citizens, was not looking at the content of these phone calls. They were not even looking at the identity of who was making the phone calls. They were simply getting humongous databases and then with court permission would go in and check certain numbers to see if they matched the calls that were being made. And I think that has to come out.

And I know there has been one hearing already. We're going to be doing an FBI oversight hearing in Judiciary and the more we can get this information out so the American people can truly look at this, I think there will be more credibility for this program.

I think that what people are most concerned about, what I'd be concerned about, what anyone would, is if people are reading your content. And that's we have to make very clear, are there enough rules in place so that nobody is reading the content, so that nobody is identifying innocent people who are making calls? I think that's what people are most focused on. So their employers aren't getting the information, so that people they know in their families aren't getting the information. I think that's what's really the trigger here and we have to make sure -- the reason to have oversight here is to make sure, how safe is this information? So that none of it, this big metadata, is not going out there. Because right now it's simply numbers that they check numbers against.

And I think they've been able to show, and I hope we hear more about this once they can declassify some of this, that dozens of terrorist -- potential terrorist attacks -- were averted because of this. They are oftentimes looking for a needle in a haystack, and this is one way they can do it without listening in on people's conversations.
Klobuchar was also asked whether she thinks NSA leaker Edward Snowden should be prosecuted.

"If he broke laws then he should be prosecuted, and that's how I look at the world," she said. "They have to look and see what he did here, but to me, it seems like he had some obligations and signed some contracts of what he wasn't going to reveal, but we dont know every fact yet."

To watch the entirety of Klobuchar's Politico interview, click to page two.

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andreas.nettmayer
andreas.nettmayer

Her comments are more nuanced than the headline. My question is whether capturing everybody's data is really any better at stopping bad guys than getting warrants specific to the bad guys we want to get. I doubt it.

We shouldn't prosecute Snowden. The very discussion she now encourages to put safeguards in to prevent the abuses she too is concerned about wouldn't have happened without Snowden. Snowden leaked only that the program exists, which, sorry, the terrorists knew.

k2yeb
k2yeb topcommenter

Hypocrite. I used to like Amy. She is an opportunist these days. Its ironic to see the Democrats be the GOP of 2006, all while pretending they are not.

We REALLY need a viable 3rd party in this country. The GOP and Dem's are just too powerful and greedy. I hope people get out and vote this next election. We need to clean house.

j.reiter
j.reiter

Maybe the Democrats should stop allowing so many Muslims in and then we wouldn't need all of this "monitoring."  Most intelligent people know that this has nothing to do with protecting U.S. citizens and everything to do with protecting the Communist Government in D.C.

Here are the facts. 
1. The NSA is un-Constitutionally spying on Americans, against their fourth amendment rights.
2. The media is conducting a narrative, "It is un-Constitutional, but Americans were not suppose to find out about it.. so Snowden is a Traitor."
  
3. The last time the Government did such a thing was on King George of England's watch; he mandated the "Stamp Act" so that the government would know of every single document in the colonies.. That ended with "No taxation without representation" and a Revolution.

Hardley Noel
Hardley Noel

Ain't it interesting how the Hypiecrat Partymis so concerned about Terror when it comes to the NSA Data Mining all our personal info but they won't secure the Border ??

Hardley Noel
Hardley Noel

Ain't it interesting how the Hypacrat Party is so concerned about Security from Terror when it comes to Data Mining but they won't secure the Border ?

nbrooks4
nbrooks4

Amy Klobuchar defends NSA monitoring, says it prevented dozens of "potential terrorist attacks"

 Prove it!!!  Tired of government lies and bullshit!  All you people say is "It's working" and nothing more..... so PROVE IT'S WORKING!  Even so, you have NO right to listen to my conversations or read my emails.  And it you want to read my Facebook posts, friend me. 

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

I see Sen. Klobuchar doesn't understand Bertrand Russell's Teapot Hypothesis, which goes like this: "If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an telliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense."

Of course, Russell was talking about the Christian God.  But he might as well have been talking about post-9/11 terrorism attacks in the US.  It's the same thing.  You can't disprove the existence of a thing which doesn't exist.  You can't divide by Zero.  

And I don't believe that these snooping programs have prevented dozens of attacks.  Note Sen. Klobuchar's words, and note that she is a former Prosecutor.  She is very careful to say, "potential terrorist attacks."  She actually interrupted herself to insert the word "potential."  That's the "tell," the tipoff that this is all bullshit. She won't list a single actual terrorist attack prevented, because there haven't been any.  

Every single one we've heard of was invented by professional informers and paid provocateurs.  These parasites dug up simple-minded social misfits and egged them on, manipulated tham and twisted their arms--sometimes for years--until they finally said "the magic word" sufficient to get them arrested and charged.  Remember the guys who got talked into the Sears Tower bomb plot, to get boots and cool Al Quaeda uniforms?  Remember the guys who got talked into agreeing to do something about a bridge outside Cleveland?

All bullshit, all fake, all lies.  And Sen. Klobuchar reveals that she knows it by her very professional, lawyerly wording.

Andrew Harris
Andrew Harris

We just don't want transparency and accountability in regard to privacy in big data to be lost in such blasé. PRISM isn't news because it's a surprise (it's not), it's news because we want better. Don't they dare tell us this is as good as they can do.

Andy Mitchell
Andy Mitchell

Essential to the environment as apex predators? Yes, but not at the current population. The deer and moose herds in the northern tier of the state have been decimated in the last decade. I agree wolves have their place in the ecosystem, but not at the unsustainable levels they have been at for the past 3-5 years.

Kent Klinger
Kent Klinger

Plugged into the OBLABLA Administration command and control communist ideology. All that information didn't stop the Boston Marathon Bombing or NYC Subway Terror plots. So WTF are they plugged into ?

Elisa Maria
Elisa Maria

Trophic Cascade ... try reading sometime. Ooh look- I can be smug and presumptuous, too.

Scott Swanson
Scott Swanson

while I doubt they would listen to our conversations individually, they are using all of that info to market the two major parties to us. Imagine what a major ad agency would pay for, and could do with all of that info. They are grabbing and keeping power, they fear that we may be growing weary of their horse-shit.

Andy Mitchell
Andy Mitchell

I see the value of all animals, not just ones that look cute when they're young or that you think are somehow noble.

Elisa Maria
Elisa Maria

How's that? Murdered yes, murdered. Or how about assassinated? Slaughtered.... Killed.... just because you may not see the value of an animals life doesn't mean it isn't important.

Aus Tin Padilla
Aus Tin Padilla

Thanks for the grammar lesson Beverly, unfortunately my phone has auto correct and made a stupid mistake. Not like you couldn't read it and figure out what it said anyways...

Beverly Gores
Beverly Gores

If Amy and Al are okay with it, then so am I. It's nice to have Senator's you can trust.

Daren L. MN
Daren L. MN

Our country is doomed. You people are dumber than Weimar Germans.

Daren L. MN
Daren L. MN

Todd: scary how easily you'd willingly do anything you're told. You are the majority and the idiocracy is winning.

Daren L. MN
Daren L. MN

Amy K. is a career politician who thrives on fleecing all Americans of personal freedom.

Elisa Maria
Elisa Maria

It's the principle of the matter. We're supposed to have the right to privacy and protection from illegal search and seizure ....

Todd Ellenson
Todd Ellenson

I'd rather be safe than sorry. If the government wants to see what numbers I've called go for it. I have nothing to hide or be worried about. It's not like their listening to our conversations for shits and giggles.

Terrell Brown
Terrell Brown

One can never prove the reason a potential terrorist attack didn't happen, same as one won't ever be able to prove her statement right or wrong. Perhaps she's adopting the Bachmann strategy of throwing stuff out as facts and seeing if it sticks.

Ivory Katese Taylor
Ivory Katese Taylor

Why don't you clue us in to one of them, Amy? Because right now it's just sound and fury.

Thomas Zocher
Thomas Zocher

Guess who is NOT getting another vote from me?

Jenna Waldrop
Jenna Waldrop

Just another puppet working the judicial system.. The people have a right to our privacy and they are slowly taking away our rights!!!

j.reiter
j.reiter

This is so incredibly illegal, the NSA thinks it can get around it's constitutional limits by hiring non-military people who haven't sworn an oath to protect the Constitution.  The Constitutionality of phone tapping has already been established by the Supreme Court. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katz_v._United_States

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

@nbrooks4 Yes, we'll get someone right out to you on this. News flash moron, put your tin foil hat back on and do some reading about the NSA monitoring. The only way your phone number (of many many millions) is going to come up is if you're spending a lot of time chatting to foreign known or suspected terrorists. Then a FISA warrant would be needed to access the actual phone calls - unlike under your buddies Bush & Cheney where no such warrant was required.  P.S. Brooks - you're boring - who the fuck would want to listen to your calls or even what you have to say?

andreas.nettmayer
andreas.nettmayer

@swmnguy You're analyzes is rather good but misses one key point: The NSA programs under prism and verizon collect data indiscriminate of suspicion. Even if we grant, for argument's sake, that there are terrorist plots out there to be foiled, I think the salient question then becomes to what extent is gathering data from everyone with no distinction between those suspected of involvement and those not any better than the good old fashioned means we've been using for years to spy on potential criminals? Traditionally we spy only when there is evidence of probable cause a person might be involved in crime, and warrants are issued by judges specific to the things to be searched. We could have secret courts that issue warrants specific to those actually suspected of crimes and not just sweep everyone's data. Assuming for argument there are plots to foil, would surveillance that is specific only to those suspected of a crime be any less effective than the mass gathering under NSA? What the white house is essentially arguing is that there are plots to foil and by gathering everyone's data we do a better job than would be possible by other means.

fuckno
fuckno

@Beverly Gores Apparently you can't trust them, huh? You stupid sheep. 

Onan
Onan

@Daren L. Mpls  - And...the thread is over. Well Godwinned my good man.

andreas.nettmayer
andreas.nettmayer

@Elisa MariaNot if they just say there is no "search" when metadata is taken. That's the trick you see: the law protects against "unreasonable search or seizures." So all you have to do is declare or have the courts declare that what you are doing is not a search or seizure and viola! Constitutionality by definition! There are Precedents in the court's history where the courts had to determine if something was a "search". The government just finds the ones where there was no "search" and says: "See, that's our program here! Same thing. No search, what we are doing is totally legal because by the law it isn't a search and only searches require warrants, probable cause and such." That's how it works: find some limited exception and then drive a truck through the exception to let in every program under the sun you could possibly want.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=442&invol=735


MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

@Evan Hanson OMG! Now she'll only win another term in a landslide.

nbrooks4
nbrooks4

@MNjoe @nbrooks4 Name calling? Really?  You must be either very young or uneducated.  Either way looks like I struck a nerve with you.  LOL!  Thanks you made my morning with this comical reply.

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@andreas.nettmayer  My suspicion is that this indiscriminate collection of all possible data leads to what is shown in the last shot of the film, "Raiders of the Lost Ark."  As the government warehouse workers place the crate containing the awesome power of the Ark of the Covenant in a stack, the camera pans back to show an incredibly enormous pile of identical and indistinguishable crates.  The implication is they'll never find it again.

I contend there is no advantage to be gained from methods already available and perfectly legal--in the pursuit of preventing actual crimes and terrorist attacks.  All the methods used in busting Mafia organizations seem to work, and they are reviewed and supervised by recognized legal systems.

I cannot imagine anyone is really examining this enormous pile of data.  If one considers how much time one spends talking on the phone, reading web pages or working with e-mail, an NSA or similar monitor could only cover a few people, working full-time.  So that isn't what they're doing, or why they're doing it.  All they're doing is holding material to build a dossier later, after the fact.  Now they can find everything about the Tsarnaev brothers, for instance.  Now they can find the names, addresses, and review the calls and correspondence of everyone in a group opposed to going to war in Syria, for instance.

If the story is to be believed, we couldn't find Osama bin Laden for years because neither he nor his associates were using phones, e-mail or the internet.  We had to watch and wait, and find someone whose movements seemed consistent with being a courier, and then follow that guy, and the rest unfolded.

So these methods will not catch anyone smart enough to be dangerous.  They will provide plentiful detail to fill in backstories, and to use against people who have no violent or dangerous aims at all.  These methods can sniff out and squelch whistleblowers, or dissidents, or intimidate and chill discourse.  That is their more likely purpose in the first place.  And that is an age-old, and non-partisan, aim of authoritarian tactics worldwide.

j.reiter
j.reiter

@andreas.nettmayer,  You consider caller ID to be the same thing as a computer that records  your entire conversation, converts it to text and then scan through it for phrases and keywords? You also think it is appropriate for this same system to track all of your movements using your phones GPS?

Not even close.

nbrooks4
nbrooks4

@MNjoe @nbrooks4 Me republican?  LOL  Really?  OMG hahahahaha!  What part of my statement was republican?  You either didn't read what I wrote or I am leaning toward the uneducated part of my last response.  And what "facts" did you present to me in your original response, all you did was resort to name calling like a child would.  And please state your resources because mainstream media only tells half truths that are slanted toward their party and we all know our government lies to us.... both republican and democrat.  So please, enlighten me with your wisdom.  If you can.

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

@nbrooks4 @MNjoe Typical republican't - when presented with facts, ignore them. Not worried though - Klobuchar, like Dayton, will easily win their respective races. And your ulcer will get worse.

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