NYC editor disses Minneapolis's awesome parks: The city "is in like, Canada or something" [UPDATE]

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Loring Park: Definitely not in Canada.
Matthew Hampton, contributor to something called the Carroll Gardens Patch (Carroll Gardens is a neighborhood in Brooklyn), considers NYC's second-place finish in The Trust for Public Land's ParkScore rankings to be "one of the greatest outrages of all time until we all forget about it tomorrow."

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How in God's name, he wonders, could NYC's famous parks take a backseat to those in a city that probably isn't even in the United States?

"The Big Apple finished behind Minneapolis -- which is in like, Canada or something," Hampton writes, before acknowledging that based on the ParkScore system, the City of Lakes "finished first with a score of 81, blowing away the competition, putting New York City as a distant second with 73.5."

See, everyone, we're not the only city capable of getting our panties in a bunch over lists. Keep that in mind next time we write a post like this.

:::: UPDATE ::::

Regular City Pages reader Bob Alberti's comment on the original Carroll Gardens Patch post is the unquestioned winner of the Internet Championship -- at least until tomorrow when we forget about it. Here it is:
As an expatriate New Yorker (Go METS!) please allow me to assure you that the Minneapolis win is no slight upon New York's fine park system. We in Minneapolis consider rather arbitrary the choices that led to our win, and we realize that the selection easily could have gone the other way. If for example instead of well-lit bicycle trails the authors had preferred parks with pigeons and cigarette butts, we would have had our butts handed to us. If instead of the sedate Mississippi or the laughing waters of Minnehaha Creek where it spills in a waterfall the evaluators had preferred high volume barge traffic and the sight of the New Jersey coast, then doubtless we would have fared much more poorly. And if rather than flowers and birdsong the criteria had been shouted obscenities and car-horns, Minneapolis would never have made the listing. So don't feel bad, we still respect you and we know that if we ever want to visit a park confident of returning home with something questionable on the bottom of a shoe, there's no place like New York.
But Hampton isn't backing down from his Minneapolis disses. Here's how he responded to Alberti:
Well obviously the parks are going to be cleaner in Minneapolis, it's only warm enough to use them like, four weeks a year.
Touché.

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william293
william293

As someone who has recently moved back to Minneapolis after 10 years of living in Brooklyn, I can definitively say that you're giving this guy *way* too much credit. If you're going to bother acknowledging his comment, it would probably be a more accurate reflection to cite him as "some random New Yorker with an internet connection," rather than "a NYC editor."

Leslie1109
Leslie1109

Yeah New York has a great park but its over crowded and surrounded by the city with honking horns. Not really a place I want to relax in. I don't live in Minnesota but the people in Minneapolis actually smile back and are nice to people. The people in New York are RUDE and MEAN people. I did not get a single thank you when I held open the door for the person behind me when I went to New York. People there are crabby and mean. When I went to Minnesota the person behind me always smiled and said thank you as I held open the door for them, even in the busiest places. Minnesota over New York parks any day. 

rugulah
rugulah

It's only warm enough to use the parks four weeks a year if you're from NYC. If, however, you're tough and hardy as we in the Twin Cities tend to be, we use our wonderful parks 48 weeks a year. NYC does have it's upside, however. We have only two good Jewish deli restaurants in the Twin Cities.

valve002
valve002

Douches! Parks are not the only thing. Having lived in both cities, I prefer the Twin Cities by far. At least you can buy a home here. Renting in New York is robbery and the landlords behave there like feudal barons. NYC is in a housing emergency since, wait, 1979. The school system is broken and the inequality rate is the same as Swaziland, even when NYC is the world's financial capital. Compare both metros (Mpls-Saint Paul & NYC) Indexes of Human Development. Enough said!

strongwater
strongwater

Do everyone from Minneapolis a favor and ignore this whole circus. Flaming this guy is only going to make him think we care. 

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

These lists are fun for all the comments and hand-wringing, but they are arbitrary and ultimately meaningless.  You can't really compare New York and Minneapolis in any meaningful way.  They're just totally different.  You have to live in a completely different way in New York.  I can't say if it's "better" or "worse," just different.  I like living in Minneapolis, which is why I live here instead of in, say, New York.

That said, the provincialism of New Yorkers is at least as irritating as the provincialism and inferiority complex of Minneapolis.  In my profession I deal with a lot of New Yorkers, and they're astonished to find that Minneapolis has skilled people and modern equipment and facilities.  They're also amazed at how calm we are, and how we actually know a little something about decent food and what's going on in the world.  The famous New Yorker magazine cover of a New Yorker's map of the US was wonderfully accurate.

kennyX
kennyX

NYC may be a shit hole in general, and yes, our parks are a lot nicer and cleaner, but c'mon! Millions of people from around the world vacation in NYC each year. The only people who vacation in Minneapolis are people from Fargo and South Dakota who come to visit that "big mall" which isn't even in Minneapolis to begin with. 

Jimbo
Jimbo

Only a bunch of Minnesotans would get this wound up about what one guy (with the writing ability of a 17 year old) says in some highly localized neighborhood journal on the other side of the country. This is just like all the boo-hooing over that hilarious map of MPLS someone made a while back. You all need to get a girlfriend or something. Jesus.

And he's right, the weather is too crappy to enjoy any of the parks here.

Bob Alberti
Bob Alberti

I get out when the lifeguard whistles.

barbertj23
barbertj23 topcommenter

Do people really have this much free time? That they can argue about which parts of which cities are better in a professional setting?

It's like watching retired people compete with their garden's.

David Lloyd
David Lloyd

Came to post something snarky about NY but forgot about it already.

s.williegreen33
s.williegreen33

Just checked the comments on the story page... this is what the author last posted..

"Well obviously the parks are going to be cleaner in Minneapolis, it's only warm enough to use them like, four weeks a year."

What a tool.

Kent Erickson
Kent Erickson

Robert, his comments were also insanely stupid as Minneapolis is only about 20-50 miles closer to Canada than NYC.

Robert Casillas
Robert Casillas

Minneapolis has nice parks, but NYC's parks are better. I think the people behind some lists nominate less obvious choices to make the lists more interesting and to bring attention to these cities. The NYC editors's comment was dismissive, but the comments in this post seem like outdated 1980 generalizations of NYC.

Erica
Erica

Sounds like someone is butthurt.

Kent Erickson
Kent Erickson

Who cares, the author is from Brooklyn...they are used to feeling neglected as no one cares about them. Manhattan is why New York is what it is. Financial center is there plus all the places tourists flock to. Most these great NYC parks aren't even in the area the guy writes for.

Lindsay Neely
Lindsay Neely

Technically is only about 50 miles closer to Canada than NYC according to my rough Google Maps approximation.

Adam Klugherz
Adam Klugherz

Maybe he's jealous that you can walk through most of our parks at night without being assaulted...

Angela Salzl
Angela Salzl

New York is trash. disgustingly dirty. but they do have a lot to do and gorgeous parks other than that gross.

Sammy L Cater
Sammy L Cater

he sounds like one of them, geography illeterate types. "isnt chicago next to illinois" bahahahaha

Stephanie Schultz
Stephanie Schultz

Saying something like Minneapolis "is in like, Canada or something" doesn't make Hampton funny. It makes him sound ignorant and like a poor sport.

Amber Iwan
Amber Iwan

yeah, jealous enough that we can afford to live in an awesome park city without resorting to stacking ourselves 4 to a room.

Declan Ring
Declan Ring

Yeah probably because of all the trash in the lakes in Minneapolis

Tony Bones
Tony Bones

That editor sucks. Minneapolis, Minnesota rules!

kennyX
kennyX

@Jimbo Well, you need to remember that these idiots think that the world revolves around the "big city" of Minneapolis.

mitzmanx
mitzmanx

He has obviously never been to Minnesota or even heard about winter sports!  What a d-bag!

william293
william293

It's not a list based upon nomination - it's a list compiled by grading specific criteria - see the article. I recently moved back to MN after 10 years of living about a 10 minute walk away from Prospect Park in Brooklyn. Would I take PP or CP over any singular park in the TC metro? Absolutely - they're huge in scale, wonderfully designed with varying terrain and they attract awesome events. That said, this survey takes much more in to account than individually excellent parks. 

afunnyguy
afunnyguy

@Robert Casillas REALLY? As a gay man we have not had the bashing or murders of people just for being gay...I like a lot about NYC even it's Disneyesque fauxness of the once glorious Times Square but they can't even edge  and trim or secure their largest park.......the North end needs serious attention

Onan
Onan

@Lindsay Neely MSP is actually only about 20 miles closer to Canada than NYC.

blutgens
blutgens

@kennyX @Jimbo Yeah, and people from N.Y.C. all have it in their heads that any other city pales in comparison. I'll never understand how anyone can love that shithole.

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

Oh yes we have. Just not lately.

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