Teen who allegedly stomped Widstrand's face during mob beating ID'd thanks to bloody shoes

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Widstrand was beaten near the intersection of Payne and Minnehaha avenues.
Three teenagers were charged yesterday in connection with the brutal August 4 East Side mob beating of St. Paul resident Ray Widstrand.

THE BACKSTORY: Ray Widstrand, St. Paul gang beating victim, still hospitalized, unconscious

Cindarion Butler, 16, and two 15-year-olds who haven't been identified because of their age have been charged with first-degree assault, first-degree aggravated robbery, and committing a crime for the benefit of a gang. Charges against the trio come days after 19-year-old Isaac Maiden was charged with the same set of crimes in connection with the incident.

The charges filed against the teens provide a few new details about the chain of events surrounding Widstrand's beating. From the Star Tribune:
A witness said Butler was the person who was jumping on Widstrand's face. A bus video shows Butler boarding a bus near Edgerton Street and Reaney Avenue with two females, according to the complaint. One of the females tells Butler, "you was fighting with him, you got blood and sh** on your shoes." Butler then looks at his tennis shoes and wipes them. A female is also heard saying, "Yeah, that's blood."

Butler told police he didn't attend the party.
The Pioneer Press reports that prosecutors were able to identify Butler in part because when they questioned him, "the pants worn by the young man in the video matched the pants he was wearing -- down to a tear at the right knee."

Prosecutors believe the fight that culminated in Widstrand's brutal beating began when revelers gathered to watch girls fight outside a house party. Charging documents claim that when Widstrand tried to walk through the crowd, a 15-year-old smacked him in the head with a can in a sock, and he was assaulted and robbed from there.

Authorities believe many of the teens involved in the East Side melee are members East Side Boys gang or affiliated groups.

Meanwhile, well over a week after the incident, Widstrand remains in critical condition. Here's an update from his CaringBridge profile published this morning:
Ray opened and closed one eye this morning!! Doctors are running some tests to see if it was just a small reaction to light or if he may have been able to see out of one eye. We will take this news as a move in the right direction! However, Ray is still in critical condition and is struggling to overcome a small fever right now.
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mohanlon3
mohanlon3

OPen Season on these fuckers, clean em up with a hose.

jason.dorweiler
jason.dorweiler topcommenter

Unfortunately there is no simple solution to this and that is the hardest part to accept. If you look at this politically or any other way that is off topic then you're wrong, simply put. Do yours, do the right thing, and that's all.

Ly-Zhou Sherry
Ly-Zhou Sherry

I wish kids could get The Chair. There really are some terrible humans out there, and unfortunately youth aren't exempt from that group.

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

There has to be more to this story than has been reported.  I lived just off Franklin and Chicago when that area was really bad, and I've seen giant mob fights on the streets when I was out on foot.  I've seen massive brawls at closing time outside bars.  I went the fuck around; giving a full-out block cushion.  Seriously, if you keep your eyes up and see what is going on, you can't get within a block of something like that without seeing it.  And you simply do not go near it.  How this fellow Widstrand decided to just walk right through the middle of it?  I'm not buying it.  This is terrible; awful.  But unfortunately, unbelievable in the sense that I don't believe it.  Unless Widstrand was a vulnerable adult, in which case he should not have been out unaccompanied, which is a different matter altogether.

Jani Aranyos
Jani Aranyos

i said the same thing. but they won't charge them with it.

_Joe_
_Joe_

Fuck that.  Light this kid up for attempted murder and try him as an adult.  Sorry, but if you're stomping on someone's face, you're trying to kill them.

k2yeb
k2yeb topcommenter

Well at least it wasn't a hate crime since he was white....oh wait. Also, all murders are hate crimes. The definition by design is fallible. 

Brian Roy
Brian Roy

more conceal and carry people, more odds that a few thugs may think twice when they see their uneducated, disrespectful friends get dusted off. key is to make them the victim, turn it around.

Hans Dykema
Hans Dykema

This isn't about rec centers or youth programs. We need more birth control so unfit people don't have a bunch of kids they can't raise properly. It is the only thing that truly reduces crime.

Danette Allrich
Danette Allrich

I would invite everyone to come to the Community Meeting on Thursday. 6:30pm at Arlington Lutheran Church on Greenbrier. The police along with elected officials will be there and I hope residents turn up in large numbers so we can finally talk about how this affects every single resident of Saint Paul. The 'east side' is a large part of this city, and there are so many wonderful, hard working, educated and caring people...we need to have a voice & stop all of this violence right now.

Kenosha 'Kenny' Washington
Kenosha 'Kenny' Washington

I have seen mob mentality in its rawest form. These are misguided youth trying to be "hard" or tough. Unfortunately not being taught what a "Man" does and or what is expected from a "Man" they are lost. What about more Community and or Police involvement or Rec Centers to lead these teens in other directions? If we had more people concerned about turning these CHILDERN into Productive Citizens instead of Inmates b4 crimes occur then maybe it might make a difference!!!

cnerlien
cnerlien

@jason.dorweiler There are simple solutions. It's called law enforcement. Doing the right thing and minding your own business didn't exactly help Ray Widstrand in this situation, so please let's think before we post.

mohanlon3
mohanlon3

@jason.dorweiler there are many simple solutions, pick a caliber.  Also I suggest hollow points and a bright mini mag light to shine in the eyes of any thug who tries to return fire.  Putting a Cap  in the ass of some thug douche bag beats getting a face stomping any day

fuckno
fuckno

@swmnguy way to blame the victim. the guy made an honest mistake. he thought the group of thug teens wouldn't attack him. it's his fault now? fuck off you silly cunt. 

kennyX
kennyX

@swmnguy Leave it to a white-guilt apologist Liberal to defend the actions of the ghetto thugs and blame it on the victim. 

kennyX
kennyX

@Brian Roy It is only a hate crime when Al and Jesse says so. In this case because the victim is white, and the perps are black, it is therefore not a hate crime.

DavidFoureyes
DavidFoureyes topcommenter

@Brian Roy Right...because like all criminals, these fellows considered the consequences before committing assault.

I don't begrudge anyone their right to carry a gun but the armed and dangerous have this perception that people desperate enough to commit assault are only thoughtful the moment before they assault someone. Like, they're intelligent and measured. The only person that thoughtful is a person with a gun...so now we have armed, scared people running around thinking everyone is armed and scared like they are...which is bound to end well.

The important thing is that this is someone else's problem because we're not any of these people's parents and we don't live in a society. We're all just a bunch of individuals. It makes things so easy!

kennyX
kennyX

@Brian Roy You're racist!!

DavidFoureyes
DavidFoureyes topcommenter

@Hans Dykema Yes, well, explain the effect free and legal abortions have on crime to someone that has their fingers in their ears.

I have no idea if we are still banned from posting links on CP, but google "Donohue and Levitt study" and have a good read.

kennyX
kennyX

@Hans Dykema 

Be careful there, Hans. When you use logic and common sense, the Progressives on here will start to call you a bigot and a racist.

Tanker10
Tanker10

@Danette Allrich What makes you think it's going to work , they been trying BS meeting before NOTHING comes out of them Crime is still up , the cops look the other way unless someone Rats someone out . But they all put on this Face like they care , they don't do shit but talk and talk is cheap .

sosmpls
sosmpls

@Kenosha 'Kenny' Washington The only responsible thing to do is make an example of these feral pigs, plaster their mug shots on every available media, and charge every one of them as adults for attempted murder.

And, yes, a few more George Zimmermans would also be great!

And, where is the outpouring of help for this victim?

_Joe_
_Joe_

@Kenosha 'Kenny' Washington Are you fucking kidding me?  Misguided youth?  Would he still be a "misguided youth" if it was your fucking face he was stomping on?

Give me a fucking break!  This piece of shit deserves to rot in prison.  Unfortunately he got caught for a violent crime instead of a doobie, so he probably won't even go to jail.

TwinTown77
TwinTown77

@Kenosha 'Kenny' Washington I have a hard enough time getting by these days.  The last thing I want to do is take care of others' children.  If people don't have the means to raise kids, then they need to do their best not to have them.  Free birth control for all.  

kennyX
kennyX

@Kenosha 'Kenny' Washington

"If we had more people concerned about turning these CHILDERN into Productive Citizens instead of Inmates b4 crimes occur then maybe it might make a difference!!!"

Well....um.....see....... that's their parents' job, NOT mine or anyone else's.  

jason.dorweiler
jason.dorweiler topcommenter

@cnerlien @jason.dorweiler Oh I thought plenty to come to that conclusion. Law enforcement isn't always going to be there when you need them. I have been in situations like these and the smartest thing you can do is look out for yourself and stick to what you know. Unless you were there to see the thing unfold, then you cannot say there is a simple solution. End of story.

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@kennyX  OK, you are now obviously grasping at straws.  If you must troll, troll better.

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@kennyX  What a worthless riposte.  Not up to your usual standards.  Just completely making stuff up.  Blaming the victim?  Nice try.  I realize that's the new self-pity mantra.  Those of us who actually live in the city know there's more than a little something missing from this story. 

kennyX
kennyX

@DavidFoureyes While I agree with you that if he had a gun and actually used it, it would have most likely ended with multiple deaths (including his), but I don't understand your last comment.

You are insinuating that just because we are not these people's parents that somehow we have an obligation to teach them right from wrong simply because their parents are not capable of doing so? In a Utopian society, that would be the most logical thing to do. However, we live in a place called the Real World. According to your logic, I should quit my job, lose my house (that I busted my ass off for) and volunteer all my time so that I can teach these "youths" that stomping on someone's head until brain matter pours out is a bad thing to do. 

I. Don't. Get. That.

kennyX
kennyX

@DavidFoureyes OK, I will finally have to resort to name calling. Are you really that fucking stupid? Yes, abortion should be legal, but free?

First of all, NOTHING is "free". Someone, somewhere is paying for "free shit". Secondly, with birth control now available (condoms, day-after pill, etc.) to almost anyone for minimal cost, why the fuck should tax payers have to pay for abortions? If you can't afford to feed a baby, then you have no right to fuck! In addition, if these cock-crazy sluts need cock so bad, why don't they just learn to take it in the ass or swallow? 

Furthermore, as I had stated previously, welfare bitches don't want birth control or abortions. Their babies equal a paycheck from the Government. Do you live in a dream world? My God, David. You live in one of the most shittiest parts of Northeast, and you see this shit everyday. You know goddamn very well that birth control or abortions are the last things on the minds of the welfare whores who walk up and down 2nd St. and Lowry Ave. with their 8 kids in baby strollers.


ChazDanger
ChazDanger topcommenter

@kennyX Ahhh. Last time I checked the Conservatives were kicking and yelling about free birth control being included with Health Insurance, not to mention the fight against a persons right to choose to have an abortion. 

Kenny your facts are twisted because you don't event breath before you reply with your "actual Racism"

DavidFoureyes
DavidFoureyes topcommenter

@TwinTown77 I don't disagree. Which methods of ending unwanted pregnancies do you think is most used by impoverished Americans? Which is, ultimately, least expensive? If we're going to keep poor people poor, let's ensure we do not deny them the most inexpensive way to end pregnancies.

kennyX
kennyX

@TwinTown77 The only problem with your argument is that even if free birth control were available to all, people who view their children as nothing more than an EBT card wouldn't use it anyway. More kids= More free shit from the Government (there is a limit, of course, to how much they can collect, but if you consider that in addition to EBT, they also get free housing, free utilities, free medical care, free day care, free bus passes, and other freebies, it is a much better lifestyle than using birth control, not having kids, and having to actually work for a living like the rest of us do.)

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@mingtran Nice use of one of the only tools right-wingers are able to use in discussions.  This one is the "I know you are but what am I" gambit.

swmnguy
swmnguy topcommenter

@SeniorCitizen  You're right,, of course.  This troll is a little different from most because he is officially sanctioned by the City Pages staff; or at least so he has claimed.  This wouldn't surprise me.  It seems every one of the Voice Nation sites has at least one resident troll who is tolerated and allowed to break the rules of use if he can drive clicks and views, and help keep ad rates up.   Once in a while when traffic is low, Kenny is willing and able to discuss.  But his typical presence is mere baiting and not worth engaging.

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

You are the ultimate projector.

kennyX
kennyX

@swmnguy Maybe if we pour more tax dollars into social programs, we can end this problem. I know for a fact that if we spend more money on social programs, poverty and crime will go down, and everyone will be able to live the American Dream. Even Obama told me that. And who shall dare question Barack Hussein Obama? He is the New Messiah. Anyone who dares disagrees with Him, the penalty is Death. . 

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@kennyX Why are you so obsessed with black men.  I think its a Marcus Bachmann type thing.  How many hours every day do you spend thinking about young black men and how they like to put their hands on innocent white racists like you?   You are such a freak. 

kennyX
kennyX

@swmnguy Well you did blame the victim. He made the mistake of walking into a fight composed of sub-human degenerates 

kennyX
kennyX

@DavidFoureyes Thank you for the deflection and name calling (typical), but you didn't answer my question. Why should society be responsible for the upbringing of children when their parents are not capable of doing so? How many more tax-payer-funded social programs do we need to stop this? You talk about "helping children born into poverty", well when do we start holding their sperm donor fathers and baby-making-machine mothers accountable for their actions? Or do we just blame Wall Street and say, "well, those greedy rich people are to blame for this social inequality"? 

(**Notice that I did not resort to name calling**)

DavidFoureyes
DavidFoureyes topcommenter

@kennyX @DavidFoureyes RE: Helping children born into poverty: Kennyx: "Well....um.....see....... that's their parents' job, NOT mine or anyone else's."

Do you have Memoir syndrome or something?  Idiot.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@kennyX You've posted 50 times on this story and every post is about how you'd like to see black men in cages.  You have such a obvious sexual obsession with black men in bondage.   Obviously to repress your latent homosexual desires you have to put all that racism around it but everyone sees your true creepy sexual desires.   

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@kennyX You are right.  It's not trolling.  It's more like psycho sexual obsession.  How often do you dream of black men?  

kennyX
kennyX

@MicheleBachmann Where did I mention black men? And calling me a troll is like calling the kettle black.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@kennyXYou are so creepy and obsessed with black men.  What's really got you down champ?  Crappy job?  Tiny penis?  I'm sorry your life sucks so much racist trolling is the only joy you have.  

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