DFL: MNGOP angst over $90 million Senate building is just politics as usual

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A rendering of the proposed building.
MNGOPers aren't happy with a DFL-led proposal to build a new $90 million Senate office building near the Capitol, with Sen. Michelle Fischbach, R-Paynesville, going as far as to tell us, "what the Senate leadership did could potentially be illegal."

THE BACKSTORY: MNGOP Sen. Fischbach on Senate building: DFL action "could potentially be illegal"

But Amos Briggs, Senate DFL communications director, thinks comments of that sort just represent Republicans playing 11th-hour politics with a proposal that was relatively uncontroversial as it made its way through the legislature last spring.

Fischbach's concern about the legality of the new building's approval process stems from the fact it was included as part of the broader tax bill, which allegedly shielded it from more direct scrutiny. But Briggs pointed out to us that the last two buildings constructed on the Capitol campus -- the Department of Agriculture and Health's Orville Freeman Building and the Elmer L. Andersen Human Services Building -- were approved using the same sort of "lease-purchase" procedure.

He also objected to the notion the building was "tucked in" to the tax bill, pointing out that legislators had multiple opportunities to raise concerns about the project.

The amendment that approved funding for the building's design work "was adopted in April during a public hearing of the Senate tax committee, nearly a month before the session adjourned in May," Briggs said.

"The Tax Bill passed with bipartisan support, and no Republican offered an amendment to delete the legislative building provision from the bill during floor debate," Briggs continued. "This was not added in the final moments of session."

Briggs also rejected the argument that instead of constructing a new $90 million office building near the Capitol, the state should just save that money and have legislators look for office space elsewhere in St. Paul.

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TheConservativeJerk
TheConservativeJerk topcommenter

What does the DFL do when they obtain complete control of the Minnesota Legislature and the Governors office?  Well, they build a palace for themselves on the backs of the poor.  Classy "investment"! 

ron.fresquez
ron.fresquez topcommenter

This is just more stupidity from the Party of no ideas and nothing to offer. There is a reason why the Regressives were kicked to the curb like common roadside trash in the last elections. 

ron.fresquez
ron.fresquez topcommenter

The MN Regressive Party has devolved into a tiny bunch of whiny little bitches. With any luck they will continue to shrink themselves to a point where they can be drowned in a bathtub. 

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

Fischbach obviously has not been reading CP. Our own MB explained quite clearly that we need this so that we can appear Modern and Professional.

Lenny Grossman
Lenny Grossman

More Political Nonsense!...All about Me Me Me,...Never about the People!

ChazDanger
ChazDanger topcommenter

A lie can travel around the world before a the truth even starts putting on it's shoes. Same GOP tactic over and over again.

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

How any member of the public can be partisan anymore is beyond me.

green23
green23 topcommenter

@TheConservativeJerk"on the backs of the poor"? According to you, "the poor" don't pay taxes. 

I guess that you missed the part where the bill had bipartisan approval. 

How would renting outside office space not be "on the backs of the poor"? 

Because that's the GOP alternative. How much prime office space near the Capitol do "the poor" own? 

Did you miss the part where the Senate won't fit in their current space after the building is brought up standards?

Quote: "After the Capitol renovations are complete, the Senate will no longer fit in its current spaces. Various upgrades meant to serve our disabled community, meet modern mechanical standards, and improve life-safety needs will cause a permanent loss of 23,000 square feet in the Capitol"

green23
green23 topcommenter

@CinBlueland

Fischbach would be a lot more credible if he had provided an example of suitable rental space in close proximity to the Capitol that could accommodate the entire Senate. He didn't, though. 


As long as we have a Senate, we are going to need office space for the Senators. It's a lot smarter to have them all in one building, instead of scattered all over town. And, since the Senate is going to be around for the long-term, renting is not a fiscally wise solution. 


Renting is just throwing your money away over the long-term. It's only smart in the short-term


Fischbach's position, quite clearly, is that the State should have rented space rather than own it. And he basically admitted that he snoozed through the part when it was germane to make that point. Additionally, he ignored that his fellow Republicans voted against him on the matter.


It would also be interesting to look at the how much it cost to build any of the "rental alternatives" that Fischbach failed to provide any examples of. I think that he might have found that $90M is not unreasonable for that kind of building. Unfortunately, since he provided no examples of suitable rental alternatives, he was unable to make that point. 


Let's face it: no matter what, it would have been dozens of millions for even an ugly building, and Republicans would still be screaming about the money being spent...unless they were in charge.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@CinBlueland If only he could read the deep thought you Republicans contributed yesterday.   Incoherent babbling rage is so helpful.   You are still too stupid to explain why voters should ever give conservative idiots like you another chance to be in charge.   You dumb idiots crashed the economy the last time and now you refuse to change or learn a lesson.  Name calling is all you have because you aren't very bright.  

WhiteMatt
WhiteMatt

@ChazDanger  


I agree. Speaking of GOP lies:


I will have the most transparent administration in history.
The stimulus will fund shovel-ready jobs.
I am focused like a laser on creating jobs.
The IRS is not targeting anyone.
It was a spontaneous riot about a movie.
If I had a son.
I will put an end to the type of politics that "breeds division, conflict and cynicism".
You didn't build that!
I will restore trust in Government.
The Cambridge cops acted stupidly.
The public will have 5 days to look at every bill that lands on my desk
It's not my red line - it is the world's red line.
Whistle blowers will be protected in my administration.
We got back every dime we used to rescue the banks and auto companies, with interest. 
I am not spying on American citizens.
ObamaCare will be good for America 
You can keep your family doctor.
Premiums will be lowered by $2500.
If you like it, you can keep your current healthcare plan
It's just like shopping at Amazon
I knew nothing about "Fast and Furious" gunrunning to Mexican drug cartels
I knew nothing about IRS targeting conservative groups
I knew nothing about what happened in Benghazi
I have never seen my Uncle from Kenya who is in the country illegally and that was arrested and told to leave the country over 20 years ago
And, I have never lived with that uncle. 


Oh wait..............


mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

Explain how any group spending 90 million of public money on new hdqtrs that benefits less than .5% of the state population is a good idea, pug boy.

green23
green23 topcommenter

@mingtranThat's another thing that we can add to the long list of things that are "beyond" you. Reading comprehension and logic are on the list, too.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@mingtran Deep thoughts from the racist dickhead who agrees with 100% of what Republicans do and say.   

green23
green23 topcommenter

@MicheleBachmann@CinBlueland 

No matter what the price tag, the result would be the same with these guys. They want to pretend that you can put up a modern office building for $50k. Anything over that, and you get, "OMG! It's a palace!". Because renting is free, right? And constituents can meet with their Senators over coffee at McDonalds instead of an office building -- um, I mean, palace. 


If only they'd get rid of those stupid building codes, we could stack up some packing crates and use that for a Senate Office Building. I'll bet nobody thought of that, did they? No common sense, I tell ya. 


Except for Republican Senators, of course. They work hard fighting for the "little guy", so they deserve a decent office. That's what we pay taxes for, right? Amirite?

CinBlueland
CinBlueland topcommenter

@MicheleBachmann@CinBluelandWhy the hate? I didn't call you any names or say anything bad. I was giving you credit for the reason you cited. 

I know the mess we're in is because Bush signed the budget put in front of him by the Dem led Congress and Senate that Obama was part of. Not going to deny it.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@WhiteMatt The funniest thing is how obsessed you are with Kenya in relation to Obama.   Nothing better proves how Republicans are nothing but mentally ill racists.    You must be a very stupid very racist person.   The best part is how much that drives away normal people.   I know not much sinks into your tiny Republican brain but when you are watching President Hillary just crush whatever stupid goober you think should be President I hope you realize your racist stupidity is the number one cause of that.  Normal people hate racist cowardly idiots like you.  

ChazDanger
ChazDanger topcommenter

@WhiteMatt 

You list seems short to the GOP lies list.

Allow me to retort.

"President Obama wasn't born in the United States"  ••  "President Obama is a Kenyan"  ••  "President Obama is Indonesian"  ••  "President Obamais soft on terrorism"  ••  "President Obama is a terrorist"  ••  "President Obama won't protect the country"  ••  "President Obama is a Muslim sympathizer"  ••  "President Obama is a Muslim"  ••  "President Obama is an Atheist"  ••  "President Obama is an Israeli"  ••  "President Obama is a socialist"  ••  "President Obama is a Marxist"  ••  "President Obama is a communist"  ••  "President Obama is a fascist"  ••   "President Obama is a dictator"  ••  "President Obama will take your guns"  ••  "There is no "War on Women"  ••  "Women in the same jobs as men make the same money"  ••  "Women aren't victims of violence"  ••  "A zygote is a person"  ••  " "There is no sexism in the United States"  ••  "There is no ageism in the United States"  ••  "There is no racism in the United States"  ••  "All of our problems are caused by undocumented workers"  ••  "All of our problems are caused by public workers"  ••  "All of our problems are caused by unions"  ••  "All of our problems are caused by Fannie / Freddy"  ••  "All of our problems are caused by Barney Frank"  ••  "The media is liberal"  ••  "Voter fraud is rampant"  ••  "We Republicans are fiscal conservatives"  ••  "We in the Republican Party stand for reducing the size of the federal government"  ••  "Our heritage is Christian"  ••  "Evolution never happened"  ••  "War on religion"  ••  "War on Christmas"  ••  "FEMA Camps"  ••  "Smoking gun-mushroom cloud"  ••  "There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"  ••  "We are fighting terrorists in Iraq"  ••  "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"  ••  "We must stop radical judges legislating from the bench"  ••  "Social Security is going broke"  ••  "Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme"  ••  "Health-care reform will kill jobs"  ••  "Health-care reform will bankrupt the country"  ••  "Health-care reform will cut Medicare payments"  ••  "Death Panels"  ••  "Class warfare"  ••  "Distribution of wealth"  ••  "There is no income inequality in the United States"  ••  "Income inequality doesn’t matter because in America ambition and hard work can make a pauper a millionaire"  ••   "Anyone who believes in income inequality is just jealous of success"  ••  "Cutting taxes has always led to an economic boom"  ••  "Tax Cuts Pay for Themselves"  ••  "The Bush Tax Cuts Didn't Add to the Deficit"  ••  "The Estate Tax Devastates Small Businesses and Family Farms"  ••  "Taxing the rich will slow economic growth"  ••  "Taxing the rich would not raise much money"  ••  "Cutting taxes on the rich creates jobs"  ••  "The Rich Pay Too Much in Taxes Already"  ••  "The price of oil is based solely on supply and demand"  ••  "The XL Pipeline will create hundreds of thousands of jobs"  ••  "Cuts in wages and benefits create jobs"  ••  "Regulations kill jobs"  ••  "The Government can't create jobs"  ••  "There are too many Government jobs"  ••  "Public education is turning our children into liberals"  ••  "Public education is turning our children into homosexuals"  ••  "Public education is turning our children into Atheists"  ••  "Entry level janitors make twice as much as entry level teachers (Gingrich)"  ••  "The word "Palestinian" is an invented word first used in 1977 (Gingrich)"  ••  "Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded, (Brewer)"  ••  "Sputnik bankrupted the Soviet Union (Palin)"  ••  "The Founding Fathers really tried to end slavery (Bachmann)"  ••  "Teddy Roosevelt was a socialist (Beck)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Troy King R-Alabama - outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Richard Curtis R-Washington - outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Glenn Murphy, Jr. R-Indiana - outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (David Dreier R-California - outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Bruce Barklay R-Pennsylvania - outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Roy Ashburn R-California - outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Jim West, R-Washington - outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Larry Craig R-Idaho - outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Ed Schrock R-Virginia - outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Robert Allen R-Florida - outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Mark Foley R-Florida (outed)"  ••  "'Homosexuals are perverts' (Phillip Hinckle R-Indiana - outed)"..

green23
green23 topcommenter

@mingtranWhen you put it that way, you make it sound like we shouldn't have a Capitol at all. Or courthouses, for that matter. How large is the percentage of judges compared with the entire State's population, after all? And why should people that don't drive pay taxes for DMV buildings? The number of people that work in the DMV is just a tiny percentage of the state's population, you know. And only criminals use those jails. Why should the rest of us pay for them? 


if you don't see a "public benefit" in having offices for Senators, where constituents go to make themselves heard, then I guess I see where your reasoning comes from. 


So tell us, then. How much "public money" should we spend on offices for Senators? And is renting those offices free in your world, because that's the alternative. 


Isn't it about time for you to change your screen name again? You've accumulated a staggering amount of idiocy under this one, much like your previous incarnations.


We get it: we shouldn't have any government at all, but if we must have one, it should look out for your interests and no one else's.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@mingtran Babbling rage and insults is all you have.   You never think the government should build anything.   Why would anyone listen to an idiot who is afraid of doctors like you? 

ChazDanger
ChazDanger topcommenter

@mingtranYou are always wrong.  This is not a DFL headquarters, it's a senate office. Do you know how to read? That might explain why everything you write is garbage.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@Onan Nothing better proves what pathetic racists Republicans are than their obsession with Obama's birthplace.  They have been proven wrong and humiliated so many times on this issue but they can't let it go.   Racist people are just stupid.  Too stupid to know when they are beat.  Too stupid to admit they are wrong.   kurt is a perfect example of this.   He doesn't care what it looks like, he will always bring it up because a black President drives him insane.   It's sad so many Republicans are like kurt, just fundamentally bad people.   I know I'm an asshole on this board and its thanks to kurt.  When I first started commenting here he was making fun of those dead gay teens that committed suicide.  Just shows what an evil hateful person he must be at his core.   I'd feel sorry for him if he didn't spend his time making fun of dead kids.  

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@TheConservativeJerk  I will be making a version of this post for about the next 20 years.  Very few things illustrate the danger of letting stupid bigots be in charge like the Bin Laden case.   You are a stupid person.  You vote for stupid people.   Stupid people like you let murderers of Americans go free.   Smart people like Obama have them shot in the eye.  

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

@WhiteMatt  Here is something true.  George W. Bush let Osama Bin Laden go in Tora Bora.  He cared so little about dead Americans he used Taliban mercenaries to capture Bin Laden instead of American soldiers.   Think of how little respect he has for American soldiers to not trust them to catch Bin Laden.   John McCain then ran on a position that he wouldn't send troops into Pakistan to kill Bin Laden.   Obama said he would.   John McCain mocked Obama's willingness to do anything to kill Bin Laden.    Stupid racists like you voted for McCain.  Lucky for America Obama won.   Obama then focused the US military on Bin Laden, which was a complete turn around from how Bush handled things.  Obama ignored Pakistan and risked his entire Presidency on invading Pakistan and killing Bin Laden.    Republicans like you failed to capture Bin Laden due to stupidity.   Obama had Osama shot right through his eye.   If we listened to stupid assholes like you Bin Laden would be alive right now laughing every day about how funny it is to get away with murdering Americans.   Obama and his supporters knew how to kill Bin Laden.   You were wrong.   Over and over again.  

WhiteMatt
WhiteMatt

@ChazDanger 


And sadly, with the exception of the homosexual comments, most of them are true.

green23
green23 topcommenter

@TheConservativeJerk@MicheleBachmann@mingtran

Kirk, since WHEN do you care about "the poor"? 

You've spent years here dismissing "the poor" as lazy, drug-addicted, stupid moochers. You've supported every effort to make it harder for "the poor" to vote, to get to their jobs, and to just generally exist. 

The only things that you see as "helpful" to "the poor" are hefty doses of fundamentalist Christian religion and hefty tax cuts for the rich. 

This "palace" is for the entire Senate, and that includes Republicans. The only real substance to this story is that a few Republican legislators slept through a bill and got angry when they found out what both Parties voted for. And those few angry Republicans want to rent a "palace" instead of owning one. 

And you think that's some kind of bright dividing line that makes you an advocate for "the poor". That's the summary of your 'argument'. 


I will, however, make a note of your new-found concern for "the poor". It should be handy to bring up often in the future.

green23
green23 topcommenter

@mingtran"Headquarters"? Senators provide no "public benefit"? Bells ringing yet? 

Oh, that's right. You're an unrecognized genius. I had forgotten. And you got that way by taking psychedelic drugs, if I recall correctly. In a fair world, you wouldn't be a broke flake working the night shift in a kitchen and sharing an apartment with room-mates at your age. You'd be King. 


And you are the only one in the world that has figured out that sucking up to people richer and more powerful than you is the way to get ahead. The mushrooms let you in on that little secret, no doubt. It'll pay off any day now...


It takes a really smart guy to embrace every conspiracy theory out there, because the lack of evidence for those conspiracies is the proof, after all. The rest of don't have the benefit of your psychedelic wisdom to see through all of that.
 

Your entire style of 'argument' is basically that you are smarter than everyone else, so everyone should just accept your assertions as fact. That's less persuasive than you think it is.

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