Gov. Dayton proposes replacing medical marijuana bill with health studies

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Coleen Danger
Last week, Gov. Mark Dayton asked members of his staff to work on a medical marijuana bill that he could possibly sign into law. Here it is -- a seven-page proposal that seems destined to make everyone happy except the actual supporters of medical marijuana.

Rather than green light a distribution system for a range of qualifying patients, Dayton's people are advocating that $2.2 million be pumped into research of CBD -- the non-psychoactive compound in marijuana that has been so effective in controlling infantile seizures.

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That means Minnesota children suffering from Dravet syndrome would be the only patients allowed access to marijuana through clinical trials. Nowhere in the proposal are chemo or AIDS patients even mentioned. Plus there's nothing about using marijuana outside of the Mayo Clinic.

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Dr. Ed Ehlinger, MN commissioner of public health
The governor's proposal also calls for a health-impact study that draws on the "concerns identified by community representatives and the experience of other states with current medical cannabis programs." Those representatives would make up a 21-person advisory council and include pols, patients, caregivers, counselors, one prosecutor, and three cops. Public health commissioner Ed Ehlinger would be tasked with monitoring the research and consulting with the commissioners of public safety and human services before issuing reports to the legislature.

In a statement sent to City Pages, Ehlinger noted:
This approach would allow us to address the problems of our most vulnerable patients -- our children -- and help us find safe and effective treatment consistent with the high standards of Minnesota's nation-leading medical care system.
Jaime Tincher, the governor's chief of staff, also released the following statement:
The administration is considering ideas that could pass during this legislative session. It is my understanding that key stakeholders in the law enforcement and medical communities -- including the Mayo Clinic -- would support and advocate for the approach we are considering.
Truth is, Minnesota already has a medical marijuana research program on the books. It's called the THC Therapeutic Research Act, which was passed in 1980, but it never received funding or the support of the federal government. It thereby never benefited a single patient.

Supporters of medical marijuana plan to sit on the governor's proposal for the weekend before making any public statements.

CBD THERAPEUTIC RESEARCH ACT



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dspppp
dspppp

Until the older "Reefer Madness" generation steps aside, this is what we get.

k2yeb
k2yeb topcommenter

So progressive huh Dayton. Just like the rest of the pawns. Fear drives votes more than logic or common sense. Dayton, you are a pussy. It is not the MN governments job to run tests like this and use taxpayer funding to to it. 


Let me ask you this. Why don't you pay that $2M to find a non addictive Oxy or Vicodin. Oh, its because their hands are in your pocket.....


How about you focus on HEROINE. 

eddogg67
eddogg67

Complete bull crap. You don't ask a chef to repair your car, you get a mechanic. Why the hell does this idiot googly eyed governor keep passing the buck to law enforcement. To make a medical decision?????

HarleyD
HarleyD

If this is really about medical uses, and the proof of its effectiveness is as good as you say, why don't we send it through the typical FDA approval process like EVERY OTHER medicine we use.  It should be a walk in the park.  It makes no sense to ask a bunch of lawyers and people wanting to buy your vote in congress to approve medicines when they have no background or education in doing so.


However, if it is just a front to skirt the law and get your recreational prescriptions from Doctor Fun, why can't you just be honest and say so?

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

Fuck Mark Dayton.  Spoiled rich asshole.  Why the fuck are you asking the cops what's the best medicine to give sick people?      

alexjarvis88
alexjarvis88

Why can't they just look at the peer-reviewed journal research that already exists and let scientists and doctors identify a few recommendations, then let the civil leaders choose between those options?  No offense Dayton, but I don't believe it is ethical to have counselors and law enforcement officials make decisions about the effectiveness of scientific research.  You would not ask a plastic surgeon to make public policy decisions, would you?  

hoffm83n
hoffm83n

dumb, they're way ahead of any research we could do in israel. 

Ryan Schoen
Ryan Schoen

That's good to try to cut out chemo! but what about the rest of us Gov. Dayton? Do we not matter, or does Big Pharm's payoff just make u not care? #BS

C Will Davis
C Will Davis

Dayton needs that stick surgically removed from his ass!!!!

cyphasamurai
cyphasamurai

Even heroin and cocaine (and their chemical equivalents) have medicinal uses. No point in this proposed study. There are medical benefits. Case closed.

Jake Condon
Jake Condon

Shit or get off the pot Dayton! (No pun intended)

Andrew Shaw
Andrew Shaw

Let the suffering people who need it- have it! At LEAST go that far. To deny a natural remedy to so many ails in lieu of side-effect laden pharmacology is moronic ay best.

Dan Mason
Dan Mason

Meanwhile Mark Dayton is popping 8 percoset a day for his gimp leg.

josh019
josh019

So no pain management, nausea treatment, PTSD or anxiety.  Back to the drug dealer I guess!

Justin Ford
Justin Ford

Come on, Dayton! Get out of the way of marijuana reform!

Nate Johnson
Nate Johnson

We don't need more research! I mean more research will help to find out what else its good for besides FIGHTING CANCER!

Charles Easton
Charles Easton

And the cops have been weighing in on the issue since day one. They're the biggest opponent of it all.

Charles Easton
Charles Easton

Looks like someone doesn't know what word pandering means

Brent Colquhoun
Brent Colquhoun

Governor Dayton, is poised to block this legislation. Even his own attempt to rewrite an alternative isn't going to satisfy the money that comes to his campaign from law enforcement and their representative unions. It is worth waiting for his next failed attempt at office and place the legislation issue into the hands of voters, they way government should act when it hasn't a clue to the feelings and belief of the states constituent citizens. To many lobby groups fighting for their perverse views of everyone else's right to pursuit to happiness.

Dave Sullivan
Dave Sullivan

Don't understand why any law enforcement would be involved in a medical issue, makes no sense.

Charles Easton
Charles Easton

The cops don't want to give up their drug budget and ability to sell drug dealer assets. It's all about the money!

greenthinks
greenthinks

FULL LEGALIZATION IS GOING TO  BE PLACED UPON MINNESOTAS  BALLOT FOR 2016 BY NORML.    THEY WILL JUST HAVE TO BYPASS THESE DRUG WAR PROPAGANDIZED  BRAINWASHED NINCOMPOOPS.   EVIDENTLY THE  BRAINWASHING IS SO SEVERE AND OF SUCH DEPTH THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT ABLE THINK CLEARLY.

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

Both sides of this argument are ridiculous. 

Many marijuana users just want medical marijuana because they know it will lead to legal access to pot down the road. These morons proclaim marijuana is a wonder drug that cures cancer and every ailment humans have faced.  I used to smoke pot so as an experienced user I can say it had almost zero benefits in my life. I know people who still smoke and they are hardly models of health. If pot heads really cared about people they would be happy with  this research proposal but they won't be because their true aim is to get high legally. Just admit you want to get high (which is fine) instead of making yourself look stupid claiming pot is a wonder drug. 

The government is idiotic for keeping pot illegal because it is less harmful than alcohol and maybe less harmful than tobacco. The politicians are just afraid of losing revenue from busting pot heads and maybe a few honestly believe pot is so harmful it should be illegal.

Both sides need to STFU and argue for what they really want instead of this smoke and mirror bull shit.


Now watch the stoners embarrass themselves with links to "research" proving pot is a miracle drug, research mostly  done by groups with a pro pot agenda.  And watch the few anti pot folks embarrass themselves with tales of pot heads killing people.

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

@k2yeb  How about you learn how to spell 'heroin'? 

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@eddogg67 He's trying to pass it to medical professionals now. Notice the title of the article you are commenting on??   I'm not stupid though, I know Dayton is just taking pressure off himself and also giving a subsidy to his friends at Mayo Clinic if the study passes but logically having Mayo study it is the right step if we're talking medicine here. I suppose you're too high to know the nuances of what's really happening around you though.

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@HarleyD Marijuana is an illegal schedule one narcotic according to the federal government so the FDA can't even touch pot. Educate yourself.

eddogg67
eddogg67

FDA approval????

You're funny!

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@MicheleBachmann You voted for this idiot, you get what you vote for. In the democratic primary you had choices of more extreme libs but Minnesotans chose the rich son with the famous last name.

patrickdentinger
patrickdentinger

Funk percoset, he's likely on oxy. His thought processes sure look like they're oxy-induced. Last week when he was approached by patients he actually said we should leave things as they are and have the patients keep buying from dealers since the penalty is so slight. Then he quickly backed off that comment. Take it from someone who spent 2 horrific years on oxy... he's eatin' them like Pez.

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

Failed attempt? I don't agree with a few of Gov. Dayton's stances - especially this one and the Viking's stadium issues, but there isn't a Republican't out there who'll have a chance against him. He's still got my vote as the (much) lesser of two evils! 

calistair
calistair

@greenthinks Keep in mind that in order to get anything placed on the ballot, the ballot measure must first pass the legislature. There currently is a proposed ballot measure to make it harder to get anything placed on the ballot. This is going to be a tough fight.

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

@greenthinks  And if we can get all those nice MN folks out who voted NO on those last 2 Republican't proposals, it'll pass easily. 

eddogg67
eddogg67

You don't know what you're talking about. You're either a cop a legislator or working in the rehab industry. Which is it????

lifeisaboxof
lifeisaboxof

@midwestexplorer81  From my personal experience, cannabis is a miracle that saved my life. I wouldn't think of it any other way because that is the reality. I'm aware of the med-to-rec activists you're talking about, but that is not me, nor is it everybody that is pro-mmj. 


If it weren't for Cannabis, I'd either be dead or still doped up on pharmaceuticals to deal with my chronic pain condition (which caused a host of side-effect problems resulting in even more illness). Cannabis didn't cure me, but it has made my life better in so many ways that the plant has played an extremely beneficial role in my life. 


It's wiser to look at Cannabis like a tool; who is using it and why depends on the individual, not the substance itself. There will be some who misuse it and there will be some who benefit from it, regardless of the reality of cannabis' inherent value.

greenthinks
greenthinks

@midwestexplorer81  SO SCIENTIFIC PUBLISHED DOCTORATE LEVEL RESEARCH..... FOR SOME REASON YOU DONT FIND THAT BELIEVABLE?    HAHAHA HUNDREDS OF STUDIES .....?  IS THAT YOUR HIGH SCOOL EDUKATION A TALKIN?


midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@eddogg67 I'm all three! I make law by day, arrest people at night, and on weekends I rehab people while puffing smokes and drinking coffee by the gallon.

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@lifeisaboxof @midwestexplorer81You're one of the very few who legitimately need/want pot for medical reasons. There is no reason pot should be illegal in my opinion but as I've stated most people arguing on both sides of the issue are just morons and many of those people are making people like yourself get stereotyped as a typical stoner.

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@MNjoe You just beat your own argument. If marijuana causes paranoia (anxiety) in people who are already paranoid it surely can't be said it is anxiety medication! I guess smoking pot also removes logic in people like yourself.

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

@midwestexplorer81 @MNjoe  Yes, in already paranoid individuals. I wouldn't give it to a Tea Party member as they're already paranoid off the charts as it is. I wouldn't give an angry person alcohol either. 


midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@MNjoe Paranoia is one of the best known and well documented side effects of marijuana. In a small number of people it may reduce anxiety (after you develop a tolerance) but that is not the norm.

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

@midwestexplorer81 @eddogg67  Thanks for the info Midwest - that explains a lot about  you - especially why you lash out at anyone who dares to have an opposing viewpoint. Marijuana only enhances your already paranoid self. It affects different people in different ways. If you'd actually read the link I posted above, you'd see there are many examples of the opposite. 

patrickdentinger
patrickdentinger

@midwestexplorer81@midwestexplorer81  You said earlier that cannabis doesn't relieve pain as well as opiates, which is one of the main reasons I replied, to say that it does. Also, what you experienced with cannabis as far as anxiety and paranoia is concerned is one possible side effect, true, but not everyone has that experience. For some, it reduces anxiety. You were also half correct when stating other side effects people experience. But not everyone experiences those side effects. Cannabis is like any other drug. Some people can tolerate opioids (when used as prescribed and for a very limited duration), but some get sick and experience any number of other possible side effects. Just because it happens to one doesn't mean it'll happen to all. You were arguing very cut-and-dry, black-and-white, 'if it happened to me WILL happen to everyone else,' when it's just not true.

You do make a valid point in that supporters of legal cannabis, whether medicinal or for all, do a disservice  to the cause when they 'dress the part' of a stereotypical user. For the people who are already biased against legalization, the tie-dyed, bearded, pony-tailed 'granola' guys just reinforce that bias, as if all users are Cheech and Chong, personified. I totally get that. But I'm also split on that. I mean, Americans still have the freedom to adhere or alter their own image as they so choose, and to make the 'granola' guys 'clean up' for appearance sake is letting those with stereotypical biases control the messaging and further continue the stereotype. Right now, I myself have much-longer hair than I usually do (I could make an 8"-10" pony tail easily), as well as being unshaven, wearing concert tees, a hoodie, and a beret, and drive an old clunker (out of necessity only). And I even feel like I'm drawing more negative attention to myself than I'd like. But, in the end, when I do 'clean up', it'll be MY choice, because I don't usually let myself go so feral.

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@patrickdentinger @midwestexplorer81Hey I sympathize with you, as I said multiple times I think pot should be totally legal. In my advocation for legal pot though I became embarrassed by the dumb asses advocating with me because of their junk science bullshit and now I no longer want to associate with them. I'm not fighting against medical pot at all I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of most of the people involved in the argument who cloud the small number of people like you out. Do you want to stand at the capitol arguing for medical pot with a bunch of guys with long hair and Bob Marley shirts?

patrickdentinger
patrickdentinger

@midwestexplorer81I have a rare genetic disorder which causes chronic pain, and for 4 straight years I was on opiates and variants thereof: vicodin, methadone, tramadol, percoset, fentanyl, morphine, and finally, 2 straight years of oxycontin. Yes, they worked great at first, but once you develop tolerance you need to increase the dose, which I did consistently and with full doctor support and approval for all 4 years, with NO warnings of what may come. My body began to develop new pain which was caused by the opiates re-wiring my brain and nervous system (hyperalgesia), pain which I thought was caused by my disability worsening, so I kept upping the dose, to the point that had I needed any more increases I'd have been hospitalized (which I actually should have been). Which, of course, just made everything worse. I was toxic, losing weight, losing appetite, and much sicker than I was before I took my first vicodin. My depression, which had been completely under control since 1998, re-developed two-fold, and I began having disassociation from reality episodes, just shy of hallucinations (which oxy can cause). My health was the reason I lost my job... the last full-time, career-based job I had since 2008. Before that time I had worked full-time and gainfully for over 14 years straight in the career which I went to college to study and earn my degree. I experienced numerous withdrawals, too many to count. They're just as bad as you've heard about or seen in movies. All of that, because of opioids and bad medical guidance.

I can tell you with every honest, educated fiber of my being that cannabis IS better; a better modality of pain relief with zero withdrawals. The human body processes cannabis much easier than any opioid. It gave me back my appetite, which helped me regain some of my health and strength. It helped me deal with the final time I had withdrawals when I quit oxy on my own, cold turkey.  It took me years to heal from the experience - physically and mentally. And as long as I've used cannabis, recreationally or medically, I've not once had ANY major or significant adverse affects. No withdrawals. No illness. No pain. No depression. The only issues were periodical episodes of 'couch-lock' which lasted maybe a few days to a week tops. Not 4 years. And yes, cannabis may not be the panacea some people claim in their over-exuberance to help the sick get legal access to a better medication. And yes, some people's main goal is to get high. So what? You CAN support both the medical AND recreational uses. And I'd wager very few supporters are doing so ONLY to get it fully legalized. Most who's main objective is full legalization would not say they don't care about the sick who need it. Why can't they support both? You talk as if you just know you're right, and ANYONE who'd plead their case to you would be wrong no matter what. Here's a tip: people would more easily agree with you if you spoke from ANY personal experience other than being a former smoker. Unless you had health issues and used it for relief, your confidence, which comes from no experience other than your pre-conceived bias, colors you as an inconsiderate know-it-all who actually knows only half the story. Either slip into someone else's shoes and walk a while, or back up your faux confidence with unbiased, multi-sourced information. Too many people like you are the reason cannabis is still illegal.

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@eddogg67 You deny paranoia is an effect of pot but look at yourself. You have accused me of being a cop, a lawmaker, a treatment councilor, and now a Dayton staffer. Yep you're not paranoid at all dude. Take another rip man.

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@eddogg67 Awww look, I ruffled your stoner pride by saying you smoke bunk stuff. I had a feeling that would happen.

eddogg67
eddogg67

Midwest explorer is a troll. Just ignore him. It's probably one of Dayton's staffers here to stir the pot.

eddogg67
eddogg67

You don't know squat. Basing everything off only your own personal experiences is the biggest form of ignorance. Not everyone gets affected the same way by the same thing. Quit speaking for other people you foul mouthed ignorant retard.

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@eddogg67 You must just smoke bunk stuff that doesn't do shit but skip you straight to the sleepy phase. Trust me I've smoked a ton of pot literally in my life so I know exactly everything it can do and what it can't do. Without pot I think much clearer, remember what I did 5 minutes ago, and my lungs aren't full of brown resin mucus.

eddogg67
eddogg67

Not me anyways. You must have a very guilt conscience.

eddogg67
eddogg67

That's just you. Speak for yourself and no one else. You sound like a complete retard.

eddogg67
eddogg67

It helps my anxiety a ton. Lay off the crack pipe!

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@MNjoe @midwestexplorer81One of the main side effects of marijuana is paranoia which is anxiety. I used to smoke all the time in my early twenties and have experienced a few marijuana induced panic attacks myself and know others who have also. If you are already anxious and smoke it can easily make it worse to the point of heart palpitations and dripping sweat. Marijuana may reduce anxiety in a few people but overall it is known marijuana causes paranoia and panic attacks in people not to mention schizophrenia in long term users.

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@MNjoe @midwestexplorer81Yes on this issue everybody else is arguing like morons. Most are not speaking their true motives or fears and misinformation is rampant on both sides and believed on faith. Take for example the guy who just said pot relieves pain as good as opiates and combats anxiety which is not true!

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

@midwestexplorer81  Oh sorry Midwest, I didn't realize that I was talking to the smartest guy in the room. Yes, you're right - everyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot or a moron. 

josh019
josh019

@midwestexplorer81 I will admit I totally want to get baked (legally), but it is a miracle drug too. I mean when you put it up against opioid pain killers, the results are almost as good and side effects are non-existent. Not to mention the anti-nausea, anti-anxiety and the cdb stuff the plant is really amazing

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81

@MNjoe @midwestexplorer81@greenthinksTypical you think anybody that doesn't think like you must be a republican. Both parties are full of idiots. I have no problem with marijuana legalization or gay marriage but the people arguing that marijuana is a miracle drug are actually ruining the chances of total legalization in my opinion because they come across as morons with their arguments. Just admit you want to get baked and quit saying it is healthy.

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

@midwestexplorer81 @greenthinks  Typical Republican't response - start out with the name calling.  Also, there is a lot of research underway on marijuana's effects on epilepsy, chemotherapy, HIV/AIDS, cancer, etc. It's already completely legal in 2 states and legal for medical purposes in 20 states as well as D.C. It's supposed to be on the ballot in Alaska for total legalization later this year and I expect that to spread as fast as LGBT marriage has - especially when these other states see how much tax money they're raking in as well as court and incarceration costs saved. 

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