House votes to ban abortions after fetus can "feel pain"

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Reps. Holberg (left) and Fritz
Yesterday, the House approved two abortion-restricting amendments.

The "Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act," introduced by Rep. Liz Holberg, R-Lakeville, bans abortions 20 weeks after conception. The second, offered by Rep. Patti Fritz, D-Faribault, basically prohibits state-sponsored health care programs from covering abortion.

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The House is currently made up of 73 Democrats and 61 Republicans. But in each vote, the GOP got enough support from pro-life Democrats to overcome the DFL majority.

Reached for comment this afternoon, Rep. Frank Hornstein said there's no way either amendment becomes law.

"They do this every year and they are usually dropped in conference committee," Hornstein says. "It's unfortunate -- I strong disagree with the votes, but I think we had every single Republican vote for the anti-choice amendments, and [also] a handful of Dems."

"This happened last year... it's not surprising but obviously concerning," he continues.

And even if the amendments somehow made it through the DFL-controlled Senate and conference committee as part of a broader budget bill, it's impossible to imagine them being signed into law by pro-choice Governor Mark Dayton.

"This is where Mark Dayton is very important to us," Hornstein says. "These are more symbolic votes."

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josh019
josh019

I really enjoy the argument that abortion is good for the crime rate.  Eugenicists love pointing to that one to tout the successes of a happy pro-abortion policy.  Margarete Sanger (founder of planned parenthood) would be so proud!

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." 
- Margaret Sanger

Oooh and I love this one:

The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds,"

-Again Margaret Sanger from the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

Throbbing.Pussy.
Throbbing.Pussy.

Tax payers shouldn't have to fund abortions unless it is medically necessary. If you can't afford or don't want a baby, use protection or close your legs (and zip your pants).

ron.fresquez
ron.fresquez topcommenter

I am curious as to who theses ConservaDems are that vote with these people.

Marissa Lee
Marissa Lee

I'm guessing that the last time Ricky saw female genitalia is when he came out of his mother's vagina.

Ricky Nelson
Ricky Nelson

Ok, you obviously know very little of US history and politics. To start off, Roe V. Wade has not been overturned because it was a supreme court ruling, people have no say in what the supreme court decides and the supreme court is the only entity that can overturn its own rulings, which it never does because the court believes it must uphold its previous rulings in order to preserve its legitimacy. Second, to the contrary there are MORE individuals that identify as pro-life than as pro-choice, in fact a Gallup poll as of 2012 showed that 50% of individuals asked identified as pro-life while 41% identified as pro-choice, you are in the minority. Third, there are just as many women that are pro-life as men, it is not a male/female divide, so don't attempt to portray me as being sexist, it is a tactic to avoid the debate, once again. Your argument about "progressiveness" is also foolish, you assume that as we move forward we only improve on our mistakes, never making new ones, which is incorrect and actually quite ignorant. Your definition of progressive is actually a distorted political tactic used to paint conservatives as "standing in the way of progress" change is only progress when society is improved by it, I have yet to see how legalized abortion has improved society, when I see the history I see that over a million unborn babies have been aborted, that is a million lives lost to "choice." Whose choice is it? By your logic I'm surprised you don't believe in executing those who are mentally impaired because they are not conscious of being alive, since you believe that an "underdeveloped fetus" has no rights simply for that reason. My "breed" is one that believes that EVERYBODY has a right to live, and we are not dying, everyday more people become pro-life supporters and reject the ceaseless killing of unborn babies, I would argue that it is actually YOU who stand in the way of progress.

Michael Mitchell
Michael Mitchell

A good read and food for thought: abortion legality created more room for a lower crime ridden society. http://freakonomics.com/2005/05/15/abortion-and-crime-who-should-you-believe/ Well call me crazy but perhaps the protagonist and antagonist views should not be viewed in this decision. They are fully funded industries in and of themselves. The views of objective social scientists and medical practitioners should be viewed as well. And please keep the churches and Holy Rollers out of this debate. It is really just the State mandating laws on subjects that should be decided by doctors. Not a majority of Churchy Folk writing laws on everyone else not in their pews. Really, if we wrote laws against masturbation or Viagra would we have so much outrage against wasted sperm? That stuff is just as sacred. Pssssssh.

Michael Mitchell
Michael Mitchell

What what what?? Ok more batshit craziness I expected from North or South Dakota.

Anna Gonzalez
Anna Gonzalez

Laws change exactly. We are being a more progressive open society. We learn from our mistakes just the fact the roe v wade was won 40 years ago and has not been over turned is because most people do not feel the way you feel. Based off facts, people make educated decisions what to do with their body and their future. Just by you saying a womans rights dont supersede the "rights" of a underdeveloped fetus is the most stupid close minded statements ive ever heard. To call a woman who has ever had an abortion selfish and cruel mostly coming from a man is why you sir are a dying breed of human kind.

Ricky Nelson
Ricky Nelson

Abortion is legal in all 50 states because of Roe v. Wade, the death penalty is legal in some states because they deem it a necessary punishment for first degree murder, which is debatable. I will include a great quote to explain why this is: "Laws change. Social systems crumble. Universal truths are constant. It is a fact, it is a plain fact that what is true and right is true and right for all." If your argument is that something is or is not a right just because it is legal and governments have said it is a right then how can you justify slavery, which for the longest time was considered a "right" and recognized by the government. Abortion is murder, that is a universal truth, governments make mistakes, laws change, but universal truths are constant and as sure as that is, abortion is murder. Abortion is an attack on the fundamental right to life, by which I don't mean to live how you want to, but the pure and simple right to be alive, to exist, it is a basic right that no one can infringe upon. A woman's right to live her life as she wants to does not supersede an unborn child's right to be born and to be alive, to end a life before it has even begun is an unimaginable act of cruelty and selfishness.

Anna Gonzalez
Anna Gonzalez

Then why is abortion and death penalty legal in many states? if its such a fundamental right written by the gov why would they allow such a thing seeing as they still see the declaration is still relavent to the way we live today. It very much is up to interpretation because my opinion is right to life is how a person lives as in they get to have opinions, and gets to choose whats best for them. My opinion is when they were writing the Declaration they weren't thinking of abortions. So yes its up to interpretation. A fetus is the human species yes. It is not a human being, a human being is an independent, a fetus cannot live by itself. Also a viable fetus is a human being able to live after birth. we are talking about a fetus right? because any definition you look at when it comes to a fetus it has to be able to live on its own if we are talking about a viable fetus.

Ricky Nelson
Ricky Nelson

The Declaration of Independence is one of countless examples which list the most fundamental right as being the right to life, it's not a matter of interpretation, the right to life is the right to life, if you terminate life you violate it, it's all pretty straight forward. It was borrowed from the ideas of John Locke and Thomas Hobbes who stated that all people are entitled to certain inalienable rights, among which is the fundamental right to life, from this right stems all others, if you don't have a right to live you cannot possibly have any other rights. As for your other argument, I am against tax-payer funded abortion, late-term abortion and abortion as a means of contraception, in the case you described it would be acceptable as it is none of those I listed. In some cases abortion can be used to save a life, but when it cannot then it is nothing more than reasonless murder. As to your using of the word "Viable" a fetus or unborn baby IS by definition of the word, viable as it is capable of "living or developing into a living thing."

Anna Gonzalez
Anna Gonzalez

Except it IS a fetus because it is not fully developed and has not been born yet. I say fetus because that what it actually is. Calling it a baby is just actually your way of justifying it to yourself that its viable when a fetus is not viable at 20 weeks. It needs a woman s body to live and not anyone's they need the pregnant mothers body. You dont think a woman should be able to get an abortion if its threatening her life? You think an actual woman should give her life to an unborn fetus that isnt even fully developed? As far as the declaration says the right to life... the declaration of independence is not a guide to human rights also its subject to interpretation. You cant use that as a fact against abortion when its not even explained. Mostly since abortions and the death penalty are legal in some states seems to me the gov doesnt exactly believe right to life translates to no abortions.

Shayne O'Neil
Shayne O'Neil

Darin's mom should have considered abortion.

Kirk Burback
Kirk Burback

Also looks like women in power are the issue here.

Daren L. MN
Daren L. MN

You should changed your name to "Not Sure." Idiocracy'd.

Kirk Burback
Kirk Burback

Daren, relating the moon landing to a supreme court case? Why yes we did. I see you are still there. Don't worry, we will get you home soon...

Daren L. MN
Daren L. MN

Kirk, rights for all is equal rights, and everyone should get EQUAL treatment in law and due process. Minorities, be them ethnic or religious, deserve equal freedoms, including the sexual minority that is GLBT . Abortion has existed since humans gave birth; 200 years old? You are deeply mistaken. This "issue" is millenia old.

Kirk Burback
Kirk Burback

Looks like we have a lot of single issue voters on this board.

Kirk Burback
Kirk Burback

Daren, "LBGT rights"??? Do you wish to be treated differently, or the same as everyone else? Shouldn't we be fighting for rights for all? BTW Daren, we had abortion 200 years ago, not just in the 21st century...

Truth_Teller_1
Truth_Teller_1 topcommenter

I'd pay all these feral breeders to get sterilized.  Must cost $1,000,000 in taxes for each barstard child that grows up to be a criminal.  

Give'em $10,000 if they get sterilized before having any children. 

Gretchen Prater
Gretchen Prater

It is so hard to believe that some MN don't have compassion for a developing human being that can feel pain. 20 weeks is the least they could do. I understand the choice piece, but what excuse could you have after 10 weeks? I don't buy the slippery slope argument either...let do what is right and take some responsibility for our decisions.

Jennifer Beth Mykleby
Jennifer Beth Mykleby

most late term abortions are cause of life or death of the mother and /or fetus 20 weeks and after is when it is found if the fetus is healthy or not and if giving birth is could result is life long injury or death..so they don't care if the mother may die giving birth? how cold and cruel to take away a right to choose..Minnesota has been a forward state..now it seems Minnesota is trying to go backwards sometimes..wish politicians would stop trying to control our uterus' and vagina...they are none of anyone's business..abortion whether we have sex or not and our choice to have BC...wish they'd fuck off and get onto other things that need attention.

Otto Ollendorf
Otto Ollendorf

I think the only people that get abortions are probably liberals and other undesirables so let them do it , that we we have less liberals and undesirables in the future.

Ricky Nelson
Ricky Nelson

It's entertaining to see you tell me that I don't know what human rights are while at the same time saying that an unborn baby has no rights. Why then does it not have rights? Because it is not human? Except that it IS human, biologically it is a human, it has functioning human organs, human appendages and most importantly a unique set of DNA which biologically confirms the fact that it is a human. Furthermore you employ a tactic of dehumanizing it to convince yourself that it is ok to kill it, such as referring to it as a fetus, not a baby and suggesting that it cannot feel pain and is not conscious of life, therefore it is ok to kill it. Interestingly enough though I am a poly-sci major, and your accusation that I don't know what human rights are is even more fascinating, because no matter what philosopher you read, you find that in every case, the most fundamental right is the right to life, hence why ant-abortion groups are called "pro-life." Yes, the first right mentioned in the declaration of independence is the right to LIFE. This is the most basic right. Every person has a right to live; no one has the power to decide otherwise. A woman's right does not supersede another human's right to live. Murder is murder, spin it however you want to, all that you're doing is convincing yourself that it is justified.

Kathleen Quist Johnson
Kathleen Quist Johnson

Hey now...you used the word bossy...they are trying to ban that too. This is all so ridiculous.

Kathleen Quist Johnson
Kathleen Quist Johnson

You know what feels pain? A child born into this world who is unwanted and abused. Abortion is not birth control and should not be used as such. Let us take the issue properly teaching people correct ways to protect themselves from an unwanted pregnancy through BIRTH CONTROL and natural planning. You know what else feels pain? The society in which becomes the victim of ignorance thus bringing into this world more ignorance. Banning everything does nothing but degenerate the true potential of humanity.

Pat Vance
Pat Vance

Can we please stop playing politics with a woman's rights. It would seem like all the "pro-lifers" think that a woman who decides to have an abortion just says "oh yeah that's what I will do". I don't think so!! What do they know and understand about the circumstances that led to that decision? The circumstances in which the pregnant woman is living in and which the child will be brought into? It's easy for them to say you can't have an abortion, but I don't see them offering help to the women and the children that are born. In fact often they are the ones with the loudest voices calling for cutting food stamps, rental assistance, day care and after school programs, etc. And let's not forget programs that help women avoid unwanted pregnancies to begin with!! Where are they when the child gets abused by the father, gets into trouble? Sorry this got so long but please people women who decide that an abortion is the right thing for them to do at this time for whatever reason don't need even more guilt heaped on them!!

Tim Genck
Tim Genck

"I don't want my tax dollars to pay for blah blah blah". Great. I don't want my taxes to pay the DNR to stock lakes I don't fish in, pay property tax for school I don't send kids to and I want your churches to start paying tax and back taxes to 1776 since they can't keep their molesty fingers out of politics. Once this happens please feel free to voice your idiotic abortion opinions.

Wayne Conger
Wayne Conger

the human life feels pain it's entire existence because of a class system bearing down on them, where the fuck is our justice or enthusiasm?

Anna Gonzalez
Anna Gonzalez

Im simply saying your "killing an innocent life" is not a valid argument if you can eat murdered animals. Except its even worse because we torture and slaughter innocent animals that can feel pain and are conscious to life unlike a underdeveloped fetus which does not feel pain and is not aware of life at 20 weeks. Eating animals does not preserve human life. Humans can survive without consuming animal products. A woman being able to choose what she does with her own body IS a basic human right. if you dont think it is you dont know what human rights are.

Truth_Teller_1
Truth_Teller_1 topcommenter

I support abortions.  Espically feral Neegrows.  If you can't feed 'em don't breed 'em!

Ricky Nelson
Ricky Nelson

How brilliant of you to change the subject to my personal views in order to avoid the issue at hand. As convenient as it would be to say I'm a vegan, I am not, but that is rather irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because it doesn't change the fact that abortion is murder, it just makes it easier for you to justify it by saying "since we kill animals why not humans?" To which the answer need not even be said because if you were to ask that question outright you would look crazy. We kill animals to preserve human life, we abort babies to terminate it. The two things are black and white, but I compliment you on your ability to create a distraction instead of actually defending what you claim is a "women's right."

Jenn
Jenn

@Throbbing.Pussy.  A) They pay a lot less funding an abortion than providing support for the next 60 years. B) Humans have sex for pleasure. They always have and they always will and you're not going to fight human nature, the Catholic Church is a pretty good example of how well that works. C) Protection fails. Even the most reliable forms.

Maciej
Maciej

The supreme court has overruled it's own rulings 123 times and has had rulings abrogated by constitutional amendment or congressional statute 57 times. 

Maciej
Maciej

Minnesota is actually filled with as many religious people as the Dakotas. It's just that in the Dakotas there aren't very many people, and the religious types are the majority. 

Drewey
Drewey topcommenter

Why is it that those with low IQ are always so proud to put it on full display for the world to see?

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

I think you're very stupid. I'm sure many in your family would agree.

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

Sorry, it's a woman's body and it's her right to decide, not the government's and certainly not yours. You don't like abortions, Ricky? Don't have one. And I hope that you support free birth control for any woman who wants/needs it because more birth control = less abortions. 

MikeMpls
MikeMpls

@Truth_Teller_1  The only problem with your line of thinking is that the demographic that you are referring to are not the ones who are getting the majority of the abortions. In fact, quite the opposite. In that demographic, they breed like rabbits so they *can* get on public assistance. It's far easier to do that than to work for a living. It is a lifestyle in that community. 

MikeMpls
MikeMpls

@MNjoe  Yet you have no problem with the government forcing health care onto it's citizens?

Maciej
Maciej

@ron.fresquez @Maciej  I just meant, Catholic Americans as a class (Irish, Hispanic, German, Polish, etc) support pretty much every other plank in the democratic platform, besides abortions and other reproductive rights. Italian American Catholics are the only ones who seem to be consistently Republican. In the Twin Cities suburbs there are a lot of retired Irish and German catholic old ladies who have nothing better to do than to worry about someone else's unborn kids.


Related, MN is unique amongst states in that it has a lot of "liberal christians" who get less liberal and more christian as they get older. You can go to a "hip" coffee shop like Spyhouse in NE and half the people who look like "hipsters" there are Bethel or Northwestern students who are doing their bible study homework. By the the time these people get married and have kids (which is usually pretty early) they start becoming pretty hard-core "right wing" Christians. These people end up being the Michelle Bachman supporter type of people. 

MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

@MikeMpls @MNjoe  Nope, not at all. In fact, I think it's great that we can get rid of all the free-loaders who didn't have healthcare coverage except for ERs. That gigantic bill goes on the backs of the taxpayers, in case you didn't realize that. And under the ACA, 80% of the premiums taken in by an insurance co. has to go for the care of patients. Oh no, will the CEO of United Healthcare be able to collect his $34 million dollar salary this year? That's already down from last year's $48 million so he's obviously suffering. And he's the tip of the fucking iceberg. Keep cheering for the big corporations - we all know you're a tool.

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