MNGOP Rep. Glenn Gruenhagen misses the days when teachers hit students

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Rep. Gruenhagen, R-Glencoe
Yesterday's House debate about the Safe Schools Act certainly did bring out the fringe element of the Minnesota Republican Party. From Jim Newberger predicting the anti-bullying bill will usher in an Orwellian dystopia, to Mary Franson saying it's tantamount to fascism, to Glenn Gruenhagen openly pining for the days when teachers could lay the smack down on students, it reminded us of the days when Bradlee Dean was taken seriously and invited to give the official House prayer.

As mentioned, Gruenhagen, known for his gay-unfriendly views and belief that climate change is "just a complete United Nations fraud," said he thinks the solution to bullying is physical violence. What could possibly go wrong?

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"I went to a social studies class and the teacher happened to be a football coach, and he had a paddle in 9th grade," Gruenhagen said during his testimony. "And if you didn't behave yourself, you got up in front of the class, and guess what? You got one on the hind end and you had to sign the paddle. It only happened one time in his class and everybody behaved themselves. We didn't have any problems."

"And what we've done... is we've tied the hands of our local school districts from actually applying discipline to the students, and the result is we have to hire armed police officers to walk the halls," he continued. "That's the problem. Your bill isn't going to fix it, it's only going to make it worse."

Here's the video:



For some background on why DFL lawmakers believe the sort of local school district control Gruenhagen alludes to can actually exacerbate the bullying problem, see our cover feature, "Gay bullying must end: In wake of suicides, schools face federal scrutiny."

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Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

Glenn Gruenhagen, the Minnesota legislature's equivalent of the stupidest man ever elected to Congress, Louis Gohmert.

Corporal punishment is not a solution. No facts support that it is, while ample facts show that it does not work.  Gruenhagen is the enemy of fact-based solutions and rational thinking.  And he's stupid.

From the APA (American Psychological Association), which is pretty much representative of every other professional organization, including various pediatric professional organizations.


http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx

Is Corporal Punishment an Effective Means of Discipline?
"Until researchers, clinicians, and parents can definitively demonstrate the presence of positive effects of corporal punishment, including effectiveness in halting future misbehavior, not just the absence of negative effects, we as psychologists can not responsibly recommend its use," Gershoff writes.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx
The case Against Spanking
A growing body of research has shown that spanking and other forms of physical discipline can pose serious risks to children, but many parents aren’t hearing the message.

“It’s a very controversial area even though the research is extremely telling and very clear and consistent about the negative effects on children,” says Sandra Graham-Bermann, PhD, a psychology professor and principal investigator for the Child Violence and Trauma Laboratory at the University of Michigan. “People get frustrated and hit their kids. Maybe they don’t see there are other options.”

Many studies have shown that physical punishment — including spanking, hitting and other means of causing pain — can lead to increased aggression, antisocial behavior, physical injury and mental health problems for children.

There are decades of research that show spanking is NOT effective; the only 'research' that shows it to be effective are junk science efforts that do not hold up well under peer review, and this kind of "beating my ass made me the wonderful if stupid person I am today" B.S. we get from the delusional Gruenhagen.

FACTS do not support this as a reliable solution to bullying; FACTS do suggest that hitting by people in authority DOES make it WORSE much of the time, not better.

But conservatives like hitting.

senatortombstone
senatortombstone

Serious consequences for abberant behavior is what is needed. It does not need to be physical, but students need to learn to behave. What some public schools have become is an outrage.

midwestexplorer81
midwestexplorer81 topcommenter

If parents aren't going to give a deserved ass whooping teachers should have the power. You can't just drop your little monster off at school and expect every other kid to give up their education to accommodate your own little brat. We should take teachers from trades and businesses and pay them the same as their past job paid them to teach about the real world, plus give them ass whooping authority.

Erick Thomas
Erick Thomas

Because the only way a child will learn is too beat them until they learn multiplication.

Stephen Biondo
Stephen Biondo

Obviously you did "bite" and gave the City Pages your readership and giving them a "like" on Facebook. It's apparent who the "tard" is here.

Ben Bakunin
Ben Bakunin

With that imminently smackable face he said that...

Chad Czmowski
Chad Czmowski

He was on the school board in Glencoe for many years. Neat.

Shayne O'Neil
Shayne O'Neil

I bet you sat down and shut up, didn't you john ?

John Feemster
John Feemster

Not acceptable, padding or whoop'n as a deterrent is ineffective..it just makes you immune...next teachers will start slapping children in the face for voicing their opinions or contradicting the subject matter...as happened to me during the late 70's in the mpls public school....

Kirk Burback
Kirk Burback

Right, because it's so much more "humane" to expel them from school so as they can live a life of poverty.

Shayne O'Neil
Shayne O'Neil

I have yet to find a coherent " progressive". Don't smack a kids ass, give them mind altering drugs instead. What the hell is wrong with you people ?

Rick Meyer
Rick Meyer

Could you say "libtard" one more time? I don't think we got your point. Oh, and you're wrong.

Sonia Palmer
Sonia Palmer

Some of the things I read on Facebook about GOP politicians is so ridiculous and stupid that I'm thinking they just can't be true.

Angela Robinson
Angela Robinson

It has nothing to do with Republicrats, wake up. It's a parents choice to discipline or not in the ways they choose. That is not why we send our kids to school. Ones idea of "appropriate" behavior is not the same for another. Kids should not be the guinea pigs for public violence in an attempt to find out I'd this is what will correct all that is wrong with our society.

Andrew Shaw
Andrew Shaw

Typical republipricks not wanting to use they're elected power to help common people in any way. This is happily a mass generalization because I've been shown no reason to respect anyone in the republiprick party.

LarryAltringer
LarryAltringer

in my school up near Alexandria, our teachers each had a Desert Eagle. If a kid got caught misbehaving once, he was pistol whipped in front of the class. A second offense garnered a shot in the thigh. If there was a third offense, we never saw them again. The system worked well. We all know that the smartest and most capable persons in MN come from that area. 

John Bunch
John Bunch

Instead, what the mostly female teachers do, because they have outlawed boys being boys (rough and tumble play, etc.) is to expel and suspend boys, and make them take Ritalin (a drug so powerful that it is banned in France) for the invented mental disease called ADHD. The modern school in the US is designed for girls, not for boys. Read Susanne Hoff-Summers book "The War on Boys."

Jeff Huinker
Jeff Huinker

Based solely on the headline w/o reading the article, he has a point.

Patrick Solomon
Patrick Solomon

Crazy liberals and their wussy "nonviolent" approach to everything. Jesus would have smacked a misbehaving kid across the face. Clearly.

tayl0977
tayl0977

Talkin' out of turn, that's a paddlin'.  Lookin' out the window, that's a paddlin'. Starin' at my sandals, that's a paddlin'. Paddling the school canoe?  Oh you'd better believe that's a paddlin'.

Matthew Martin
Matthew Martin

If you read the full context of his quote, what he says makes sense: The teacher takes down the biggest "bully" and makes an example of him. In theory, the other kids would be happier without fear of a bully, able to function better. But based on the other loony things said by GOP Legislators, this will get lost.

Jeff Gardner
Jeff Gardner

Typical criticism coming out of the Democratic libtard mouths. Years ago it was not unusual for school personnel to employ physical punishment on kids who misbehaved. These were not beatings, they were slaps on the ass and whatnot, as the rep described. Typical of the libtard City Pages calling him "fringe" and attempting to make him look crazy simply for stating facts about the history of our school systems. Nice try, Libtard Pages, but some of us are smart enough not to bite.

mingtran
mingtran topcommenter

Who doesn't?

senatortombstone
senatortombstone

I am generally opposed to physically punishing children, as children need to be taught how to behave, why it is important, not be cowed into submission.

Unfortunately, this is almost all on the parents, and most parents carry on the bad habits they inherited from their own parents.

ron.fresquez
ron.fresquez topcommenter

@midwestexplorer81  "a deserved ass whooping?" No child "deserves "an ass whooping" from anyone, What kind of sick person are you? 

NitaWaters
NitaWaters

Seriously?  Would YOU be okay with some teacher/teacher's assistant/volunteering parent smacking YOUR kid around because they didn't "like" what they were saying/doing?  Discipline is the PARENT'S job, not the educator's. Wake up, kid.

henk.tobias0
henk.tobias0 topcommenter

Ah yes its those dirty hippie "progressives" pushing drugs on our children, Conservative cause donating CEOs at large pharmaceutical companies have nothing to do with that. I bet you've never met a coherent anyone, because you obviously have no clue what it means to be coherent.

NitaWaters
NitaWaters

Please don't think that, because they ARE true and people who brush it off and don't vote are the main reason these things are in power. The stupid are easily led and when their "leaders" tell them to vote, they do.  Congress is a perfect example of that. People that lean to the right tend to vote based on hysteria rather than common sense and logic. The mentally challenged are sheep, easily corraled and led into whichever direction their owners send them.

NitaWaters
NitaWaters

Oh FFS, you really are simple, aren't you? It's got nothing to do with female/male teachers you misogynistic jack*ss. It's got everything to do with the fact that teachers are not there to physically discipline our children, they're there to TEACH.

NitaWaters
NitaWaters

So you would be okay with some teacher beating your child without your knowledge/approval? You might want to read the article, sweetheart.

Onan
Onan

Can't tell if satire...

NitaWaters
NitaWaters

No honey, what it does is teach all the other kids that in order to beat a bully, you need to be a bigger bully. It teaches them that violence will solve all your problems.

henk.tobias0
henk.tobias0 topcommenter

Um..the part that you say makes sense, makes no sense. Beating children in front of other children sends a message, but the message is that using violence to solve problems is a good thing. Its not.

NitaWaters
NitaWaters

I love how you use the words us and smart in reference to yourself and other conservative sheep.  That's almost cute! In an "awwwww, he's 'special' kinda way, I mean.

Arkadi
Arkadi

You keep saying "libtard", as if that's a word that will get you taken seriously.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@senatortombstone Bad habits would include spanking apparently as a one-size-fits-all solution to bad children.

However, your brush tars too broadly.  There are good parents who have bad children, and vice versa.  Schools - and government in supporting the schools with what they need to function - have to deal with all of the parents and kids and staff across that spectrum of good and bad.

The best way to do that is to use objective information in the most thoughtful and reasoned way possible.

None of the conservatives have done that.  Rather conservatism has degenerated to trying to float whatever pretext or excuse or justification for treating some people badly that they can formulate.

That kind of mix of emotional rather than rational appeal, mixed with factual inaccuracy and deliberate lies is pretty much the working definition of propaganda.  And that has been ALL we've seen from the MN GOP this session of the lege, on this, and on all other topics.

They do not engage in a serious attempt to provide good government, just boot licking for special interests.

NitaWaters
NitaWaters

@Onan Really hoping it is, because otherwise, he takes religious bullsh*t to a whole new low (which is saying a LOT).

Throbbing.Pussy.
Throbbing.Pussy.

@henk.tobias0   Actually it is. In the 50's, 60's and 70's, the amount of juvenile delinquency in America was no where near what it is today. Back then, if you acted up in school, bullied others or disrespected teachers, you got your ASS beat by the teacher or principal. You quickly learned that that type of behavior would ***********NOT*********** be tolerated. If your parents had the nerve to take an issue with that type of discipline, your parents were more or less told to go motherfuck themselves. Your parents were also told that if you continued to behave in this type of manner, you would be expelled from school.  

Onan
Onan

@Arkadi  Jeff seems to be "damaged" in some deep, dark way...

henk.tobias0
henk.tobias0 topcommenter

@Throbbing.Pussy. @henk.tobias0 Actually your talking out your a$$. I don't know where or when you were a kid, but the things we did a pre-teens and teens in the late 60's and early 70's the kids today would be tossed in jail for. In fact kids as young a 6 years old are being handcuffed and taken to jail for things that would have been minor offenses or ignored back in the day. You need to do a little update on your BS, its old, stale and no where near true.

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