MNGOP Rep. Jim Newberger compares anti-bullying bill to Orwell's 1984 [VIDEO]

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Hyperbole was taken to hard-to-top heights this afternoon on the House floor as Rep. Jim Newberger, R-Becker, compared the Safe and Supportive Minnesota Schools Act to the dystopian society described by George Orwell in his classic novel, 1984.

Newberger's main concern is a provision in the Safe Schools Act that defines bullying, in part, as "use of electronic technology and communications off the school premises to the extent such use substantially and materially disrupts student learning or the school environment."

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"So if it has a battery, the Democrats want access into your private life," Newberger said. "If this isn't a mirror image of 1984, I don't know what is."

"Do you have children who play games on the internet? Do you have an Xbox or a PS2 in your home?" he continued. "Do they play against other children in their school? Can they text and chat while they're doing so? If they do so while they're machine-gunning and shooting and playing all of these games that are sci-fi or military in nature and they start trash-talking each other and that's over the internet and that's at 11 o'clock on a Sunday night, guess what? That would apply to you. Didn't think about the Xbox issue, did you? But it's there... this is 1984."

Much like Sen. Roger Chamberlain, R-Lino Lakes, told us during a conversation last month, Newberger also took exception to a clause in the bill that characterizes "intentional infliction of emotional distress against a student" as bullying behavior.

"Members, people of Minnesota, if you're a teenager you're in emotional distress," Newberger said. "Name one who isn't."

Toward the end of his speech, Newberger said we should encourage Minnesota kids to treat bullies not in the appeasing way Great Britain treated Hitler, but in the ass-kicking way America did.

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zane_kish
zane_kish

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MNjoe
MNjoe topcommenter

A bit off topic but I'd like to remind conservatives that it's the 30th anniversary of the attack on the U.S. embassy in Beirut. Why did Reagan let 241 Americans die and why didn't he try to save them.   Benghaziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

Truth_Teller_1
Truth_Teller_1 topcommenter

HF826 imposes upon school districts an unfunded mandate of nearly $50 million. The original Office of Management and Budget  (MMB) score was $50 million, however, Sen. Dibble and the other bill authors pressured the MMB  to reduce it to $39 million

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

I doubt this idiot has read 1984, but if he did, I'm sure his lips were moving while he read it.

And no doubt he gets his notions of the progression of events that resulted in and concluded WW II from revisionist Fox News history - the fact-averse and superficial kind that does not adequately take into account the effects of WW I or the actual causes of WW II, but rather always promotes more violence, aggression, and more war as the default solution to everything.  Typical neocon thinking, real one-trick pony superficial understanding.


Shame on the MN GOP and this guy in particular; what a bunch of morons and neocons - - oh wait, that was redundant.

hyacinth_smith
hyacinth_smith

.Action speaks than words yes indeed it is not enough just to say stop bullying. Taking actions into words are the most effective one. If we really want to end this kind of discrimination's. If you want to end it then click this is an app. that will truly be a big help actions??start it by keeping safe at http://bit.ly/1nctEuL.

xzFLEXzx
xzFLEXzx

I was bullied when I was little.  I then grew and became a bully because of my size 6 2 200lbs.  It's a learned behavior.  To many fucktard parents still think let kids be kids and settle their own differences.  Some people are just assholes and live to belittle and intimidate others.  This guy is a douche canoe.  How many more suicides, school shootings, dropouts do we have to endure before assholes like this get a fucking clue.  There has to be retribution for the actions of those that bully, maybe lay em on a fire ant hill with honey poured on them.

d2323k
d2323k

I am just mad that this guy spoke up what a dumb dumb.  He admits to allowing his children to playing shoot em up games at 11pm on a Sunday night.  The Lord's Day, with a school day to follow.  Bright future for this guys little one's.... future zombie's like their papa, better points to make then a bully was the best thing that happened to me, idiot, plenty of people have had lives ruined because of dumb goons.  People will learn any lesson he thinks he learnt from his bully without being bullied.  Bullying is bad.

d2323k
d2323k

This is a joke our education system is failing because it is government run.  Maybe if class sizes weren't at 40, bullying would not be such a big problem.  I mean really we have less student age kids now then we have in a long time.  We need government out of schools, and especially our homes, children's lives.  SINCE WHEN ARE WE SO QUICK TO ALLOW OUR CHILDREN TO BE POLICED!!!???


Shayne O'Neil
Shayne O'Neil

Jason, he said nothing of the sort. Put down the kool aid and concentrate. He said, " don't appease bullies, kick their ass". Ovens and acid baths are your idea.

MicheleBachmann
MicheleBachmann topcommenter

Well its not like these bigot idiots can win the debate using facts or logic.  

Jason Bistodeau
Jason Bistodeau

You know, I'm by far not part of the "everyone gets a trophy" crowd, but a lot of what this anti-bullying legislation is meant to combat isn't the run-of-the-mill name-calling and general teasing. We're talking about children being driven to suicide by their peers' merciless verbal and physical abuse. In many cases, these kids go to the school, they go to the other kids' parents, they go to the police, but nothing is done. They see no other way out of it, so it ends in either suicide or murder. Sounds extreme, but it happens far more than is reported on the news. I think Rep Newberger should be censured for even bringing up Nazi Germany in his argument. No one is suggesting rounding up all the bullies and putting them into giant ovens or acid showers. His example is preposterous.

Jenn Orr
Jenn Orr

Whoops shouldn't have said that... By Newberger's logic, someone should be coming for me any minute now. Cause you know, addressing downright harassment that led to a wave of suicides in the Anoka-Hennepin district is totally 1984.

Shayne O'Neil
Shayne O'Neil

If it doesn't happen on school property or at a school sponsored event. It's none of the schools business.

lkjhasdf
lkjhasdf

@Dog Gone  Personal attacks and projections about how you think this legislator "is" don't make much of an argument.

lkjhasdf
lkjhasdf

@xzFLEXzx  Didn't you also learn NOT to be a bully? There are already laws on the books that criminalize most activities bullies engage. How about we get some teachers that act responsibly when they see this behavior? Or teach students to stand up for themselves and not punish them when they do? There's no proof this legislation will solve this "problem." There's no proof that things in schools are any worse on average than they were x number of years ago. This legislation is a one size fits all band-aid to a media hyped issue.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@d2323k
Since it has been proven we NEED TO HAVE THE LITTLE DARLINGS POLICED.  No one is proposing this new legislation in a vacuum.  It is in response to a clear problem.

Class sizes have squat all to do with bullying through electronic means, and through social media.

So NO, clearly we DO need government IN our schools and to the extent that parents and students both are held more accountable, we clearly need 'government' in our homes too. 

Except that is not what this legislation proposes; it is another ignorant and deliberately misleading interpretation of the legislation.

What the legislation says is that your little monsters don't get to use the privacy of your home to bully other kids at school.

Or do you REALLY believe that parents know when their kids are using their home computer/cell phone/ etc. to do this?  You cannot argue that there is sufficient parent supervision WITHOUT a law outlining both what is and is not acceptable, or creating adequate consequences for this unacceptable behavior.

Students need a safe place to learn; if they are distracted by this kind of kiddie harassment, then they aren't focusing on what we pay good money for - education.

Drewey
Drewey topcommenter

Hey stupid, learn to read a history book. If you don't understand why we need a national education standard after actually studying then there is no helping you. Dumbfucks like you deciding what our kids learn is the last thing this country needs.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

More aggression isn't a solution.  What he said was STUPID.  No one is talking here about appeasing bullies, but the legislation DOES propose better solutions than 'ass kicking'.

Truth_Teller_1
Truth_Teller_1 topcommenter

Well..... bullying and name calling is what you resort to in most of your posts.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

If it happens to students, and affects the ability of students to engage in effective education, it IS the school's business.  We're talking here about kids where their primary interaction is at school, and in many cases where they only know each other through school.  It is the primary nexus point for these kids.

There is no excuse for bullying and there is no acceptable place from which to do it.  And clearly if parents involvement and intervention were sufficient, we wouldn't be having the problems we do have.

This is not a case of a solution in search of a problem -- you know, like voter ID and some of the other dumb and intrusive government the right promotes - it is an actual problem and a legitimate solution.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@lkjhasdf
I quite correctly identified from observation his deficiencies and oversimplification of the significance of WW I and the interwar events, and causation of WW II, as well as his failures of literary knowledge.

His poor, simplistic thinking, with the seeking solutions to problems in violence, seem to be pretty clear additional intellectual deficiencies.

Those seem to be representative of his conservative neocon politics; the deficiencies of those are abundantly obvious.

You, in contrast to those reasoned observations, have zip, zilch, zero... except to whine and whinge because we are all laughing at and appropriately ridiculing an idiot member of the MN GOP.

lkjhasdf
lkjhasdf

@Dog Gone  No, it's not the school's business what happens off school grounds. End of story. "Think of the children!" is not a rational argument. Present some data that shows clearly and objectively that our schools are somehow so many times worse than in years past. Show me how exactly you know that parent and teacher involvement is simply insufficient (how do you know they actually are trying and succeeding at doing their best? Isn't each school a unique situation? Shouldn't adults be able to control a bunch of kids?) Present some data to conclusively show there aren't other problems with the system (teachers and administrators not responding to real issues, no-tolerance policies that punish victims as well as perpetrators etc.). Don't go around shouting, 'There's no excuse! It's a fact The children!' when you don't have anything to back it up with.

Dog Gone
Dog Gone topcommenter

@lkjhasdf Actually, it IS the school's business, and in some cases it is the business as well of law enforcement.My argument is not 'think of the children', although the protection of children IS a legitimate concern of legislators.
Clearly, harassment and bullying AT school is not something that is limited to school, not even remotely; rather it is part of a continuum, a spectrum, of activity.
Therefore it is perfectly legitimate.
The notion that somehow this kind of bullying of students is ok, if done after school hours, or from home, is too stupid for you to try to defend or excuse from consequences.
I suppose you might try to pretend we are back in the cold war era, where cyberspace and the internet and social media don't exist, but the rest of us just laugh at the mean old wrinkly pale bigoted fossils.
I thought conservatives were all about owning responsibility -- except they so clearly are all about excusing bad behavior when it is their own.
I have quite adequately backed this up.
Now it has passed the lege, and is scheduled to be signed by Dayton later today.  Done and done -- and well done at that.

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