Comment of the Day: Semi-automatics don't kill, people do?

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Here's a fact: In 2011, fistfights claimed more lives than rifles in Minnesota. Do with that what you will.
Our post about a gun rights group's allegation that Rep. Ron Erhardt threatened to shoot their president has sparked a heated debate about guns in the comment section.

One argument being trotted out is that since knives and fists are actually involved in more deaths than semi-automatics, politicians should try to ban stabbing and punching before they go after those types of firearms.

Here's how one gun rights supporter makes the case:

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We've heard this argument before, but the question remains -- do you find it persuasive? Or, on the other hand, do you think that because there's no good reason to own a semi-automatic in the first place, even a single murder involving one is too many?

Let us know, as always, in the comment section.

Send your story tips to the author, Aaron Rupar. Follow him on Twitter @atrupar.






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rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

Geez, another example of anti gunnutters failed and disproven claims!


http://news.yahoo.com/aaron-alexis-navy-yard-video-175705579.html

8:16 a.m. - Alexis shot the first victim in the 4 West area of Building #197.

8:17 a.m. - First 911 call is received from the fourth floor of Building #197.

8:20 a.m. - Alexis left the fourth floor using the stairs and entered the third floor.

8:28 a.m. - Alexis appeared on the first floor.

8:57 a.m. - Alexis returned to the third floor.

9:25 a.m. - Law enforcement shoot and kill Alexis on the third floor.

The time the police responds to engagement distance of the shooter is 21 minutes at Sandyhook, 12 minutes on average. 

How you going to get police there any quicker? 

See if you cant even prove your claims mathematically, how do you expect sane people to believe your claim? 

The kids that escaped hid from Lanza and ran out afterwards. 

There is no physical evidence lanzas rifle jammed. 

There is no physcial evidence he fumbled his reloads. 

If the kids had escaped while he was reloading or ran out the door of the room several students would have been shot and in the hallway, you have evidence they were, no? 

Hollywood fiction has it that everyone running from an active shooter in a group will all die, reality is some will get away, so again, where are the dead kids in the hallway? 

No the facts and the simple math do not agree with the antis position. 

But hey, we see how Loughner overloaded a 31 rnd magazine, broke the return spring, and the gun failed to load into battery and he fumbled his reload when he did this, allowing intended victims time enough to attack. 

FT Hood shooter, had practised his tactical reload and was witnessed to be very accurate to 100ft. 3 Army personnel attacked him unarmed, 2 died, 1 is crippled for life. 

Holmes had a quantity of 2 100 round Beta-c-mags, tempermental and prone to jam unless loaded and lubricated properly. Holmes jammed the rifle on the 1st 100 rnd mag at the 30th round. 

This left 170 rounds of .223 unfired as he couldnt clear his weapon. Think there could have been an additional 6-7 deaths and 15-20 injuries if he could have fired the rounds eh? 

Reality is laws cant be based on luck or experince. 

The normal result of someone unarmed attacking an active shooter is they get blown away. 

You go right ahead and support smaller, ultra reliable magazine capacities so unlikely to jam as you make such untrained killers inherently more efficient at killing. Such are the unintended consequences of ignorant anti gunnutter imbeciles!

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

Shall we review how magazine capacity doesn’t affect didley, yeah, lets.


It will be looked at as a time study, we who set manufacturing processes up do lots of these studies to accurately predict labor, material usages, predictions and savings.


Response times by the police range from most times 10 to 12 minutes from first call.


Witnesses identified shots were fired at 9:30 am when announcements were being made.


http://www.politicalswagger.com/sandy-hook-police-audio-timeline/


The first call was 9:35:44 to police dispatch.


In Sandy Hook, the first police officer arrived on site at 9:38:38!


09:40:24 (Dispatch) Cars responding, shooters apparently still shooting in the office area, 12 Dickenson Drive. Last shots heard–Lanza killing himself!


09:51:51 We have a suspect down, 21 minutes after the shooting started!


Time line:


Adam Lanza tried to open a locked door, couldn’t, so he shot the glass out to gain entry upon which time the principal and school psychiatrist & vice principal came from the office and confronted Lanza who then killed two and wounded one. Total elapsed time, approximately 1 minute.


Then Lanza walked down the hallway to the 1st kinder-garden classroom about 20 ft away, max time to do so, 15 seconds, where he killed 1 teacher & 14 students.


Lanza then walked across the hall 25 ft away, max time 15 seconds.


Where upon he killed another teacher and 6 students.


Professional shooter can change a magazine in 1.4 seconds, someone familiar with the weapon, which Adam was, can do so in 3.0 seconds.


Since we know that he fired 154 rounds, using 30 round
magazines, and frequently changed them out after 10-15 rounds just as a veteran video gamer does, that is max 10 magazine changes x 3.0 seconds = 30 seconds.




Cyclic rate for the semi-auto rifle/pistol is 60 rounds per minute so 1 shot for every pull of the trigger per second = 154 seconds.




Total times 




Office killing 1min=60secs


Hallway walk to 1st room = 15 seconds


Hallway walk to 2nd room = 15 seconds


Shootings =154 seconds


Reloads = 30 seconds




264 seconds total = 4.4 minutes




Now if Lanza had been limited to 10 round magazines as anti’s
claim would limit the ease of killing, at 3 seconds reloads, needs say 20 mag’s based on his reloading habit magazines = 19 reloads x 3 seconds = 57seconds.




That is an additional 27 seconds to the total = 4.85
minutes total. Oh wait, Lanza had 16 minutes to do all this from the time of the call to dispatch, in actuality he had 21 minutes as that was when police were close enough to engage Lanza and confirm he had offed himself. 


Explain again what an additional 27 seconds would have done, oh that’s right, not one dang thing!


Oh what is this, a sheriff in IN, Ken Campbell, Boone County (just north of Indianapolis) proving exactly what is stated above both with pistol, rifle, and the Biden solution!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Upjn5DR0o&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1bu7Y8iwXA&feature=player_embedded


Reality is, limiting a shooter to 10 round magazines doesn’t prevent jack schiite and you cant prove different!


Harris & Keibold had 10 rnd magazines at Columbine, didn’t slow them down any.


Cho had 10-15 rnd magazines (standard capacity) at VA Tech, didn’t slow him down.


Such a consistent trend.

3D Greens of Minnesota
3D Greens of Minnesota

but a sociopath with a hammer can't do near the damage of a sociopath with a 100 round magazine...

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

but a law abiding gun owner faces the same dangers as the police who are 15-20 minutes away, so why do you insist on punishing the law abiding rather than the actual criminals, lazy, insane, both?


Oh thats right, you have performed basic math calculations to prove restricting standard magazines will reduce killing, when you demokrats are too stupid to reduce the response times by police to less than an average 21 minutes to engagement distance, got it, LOL!

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol


Oh yeah, you forgot ALL about the FBI including hispanics in the WHITE totals...but hey, it must be true if even the Huffingtonpost admitted this in 2013......LOL!


 http://www.amren.com/news/2013/07/fbi-to-track-latino-arrests-for-uniform-crime-report/

FBI to Track Latino Arrests for Uniform Crime Report

Huffington Post, June 25, 2013


The FBI will begin collecting nationwide data on ethnicity next year to be published in its annual Uniform Crime Report, making it possible to test the assertion of some advocacy groups that police arrest Latinos–a multiracial ethnic group–at higher rates than non-Hispanic whites. 


The recent move marks the revival of an earlier FBI effort to collect crime data by ethnicity, abandoned in 1987.


Currently, the FBI only tabulates arrest data by race, with categories for white, black, Asian or Pacific Islander, and American Indian or Alaska Native. Latinos, who can belong to any race provided they have Latin American heritage, effectively vanish from the agency’s published records.


The FBI’s new approach, decided on June 5 and noted in a post to its website, would bring the agency’s policy closer in line with the U.S. Census Bureau, even as that agency considers changing its classification of “Hispanic” from ethnicity to race


The FBI’s recent measure broadens the ethnicity categories from “Hispanic” to “Hispanic or Latino Origin” and from “Non-Hispanic” to “Not of Hispanic or Latino Origin.”


“Starting this year we are actively asking agencies to report ethnicity data once again,” Loretta Simons, a supervisory technical information specialist with the FBI, told The Huffington Post.


The FBI’s new policy also adds a fifth racial category by separating Asians from Native Hawaiians or Pacific Islanders.


The change is welcome news for the American Civil Liberties Union, which hammered the FBI’s data-gathering methods this month after releasing a report that revealed a stark bias against blacks for arrests related to marijuana.


Lynda Garcia, a fellow with the ACLU’s Criminal Law Reform Project, says excluding Latinos from national arrest statistics likely masks a similar arrest bias against Hispanics.


Garcia suspects that failing to gather data on Hispanic arrest rates may obscure the true arrest bias against blacks, since law enforcement generally classifies Latinos as “white.” 


“If, in fact, Latinos are arrested at a higher rate than whites–which we presume they might be, then the disparity against blacks would be even greater,” Garcia said. (Yeah, they are).

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol


Yawn, seems like you havent proven ANY of those government data sources and links wrong with your misdirective yet again, man you are pathetic!

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt thanks for backing me up you fucking fool


govt data cannot be trusted


thats the shit you post and now you post about its questionable legitimacy


you styupid fucking racist pigfucking bootlicker

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt you fucking fat slob, those figures i posted demonstrate the opposite of all the black on white crime you scream about.


regardless govt data cannot be trusted and you cannot be trusted. you are a sick fucking piece of shit.

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


So sad, it claims we are the problem and cherry picks government data, then claims it wont trust government data, only the insane have this circular illogic!

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


No, your cherry picking demonstrates your continued lack of intellect and immorality......so sad!

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt i never once have trusted govt data, your a fucking highskool educated hick


fuck off and die


you will never be as strong as i am  

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


LOL, when the ignorant have no intellect or facts, they squeal, yell, bully and intimidate to get their way, LOL, pathetic weak minded morons!

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


Naw, we covered this already, leftists like you, have over the last 125 years, killed over 200 million men, women, and children, to prove the superiority of your no individual rights socialist wet dream fantasies, demokrats being leftists, are inherent blood thorsty heathens, end of story!

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt i know, as does anyone who reads this garbage, that i am far superior to you... morally, intellectually, physically, perceptively ....everything


i already told you to come prove your worth and you were too pussy

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt oh ya i forget that king leopold and charles taylor and pol-pot were leftists


hahahaha that makes sense

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


You have been incapable of meeting any challenge intellectually, or physically in your life as we havent seen you at the precinct yet, when you going to walk your talk sweety?

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


Naw, if we included them, the totals would be higher, but anti gunnutters suck at simple math anyway so you wouldnt know that even if it was right in front of your face!

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt  oh im supposed to come to city hall and start a fight with an on duty cop???


why not meet in the street without your dumb cop friends...take all the roids you want and come prove it 



digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt i saw your list you dumb fuck


you included charles taylor, king leopold of belgium and other wackos you labeled as leftists


that makes zero sense


go read a book you fat white slob

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


Your the idiot who claimed you were white and would get off scot free as you had connections......must be from certain SERVICES you perform for your masters eh!

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt  it is extremely stupid to think that i could or would prove the numbers wrong.


for real, that is the dumbest shit youve said yet... how the fuck is anyone gonna prove numbers wrong? do i run a research company? do i have access to the data and its sources


YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT


makes sense that you are a cop, being so dumb and all

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 



Then all you are doing is squealing and acting like a pathetic child who will enver get their way, typical kommie!

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt what is a kommie?  made up bullshit


i already told you if you really are a cop then i could make some money beating you down on a live webcast


america would LOVE to see a cop get beat down on the web


digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt you are so fucking sick. you are the white power nazi fag


please describe how i am illiterate...


nobody from russia is illiterate you fool

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


Need we say more, uh NOPE!


http://www.answers.com/article/1191042/top-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us?param4=ysa-us-de-lifestyle#slide=2

10. Newburgh, NY - 19.4% white, 32.96% democrat/black, 48.3 democrat/Latino

9. Oakland, CA - 25.9% white, 28% /democrat/black, 25.4% democrat/Latino

8. Chester, PA - 17.2% white, 74.7% democrat/black

7. Bessemer, AL - 28.93% white, 69.55% democrat/black

6. Detroit, MI - 10.6% white, 82.7% democrat/black

5. Saginaw, MI - 43.5 % white, 46.1 % democrat/black

4. West Memphis, AR - 42.16% white, 55.93% democrat/black

3. Camden, NJ - 17.59% white, 48.07% democrat/black

2. Flint, MI - 37.4% white, 56.6% democrat/black

1. East St. Louis, IL - 1.23 white, 97.74% democrat/black

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol


Maybe you should go ask the democrats in these cities why they are so violent eh....


Here are the 15 most dangerous cities (with populations over 100,000):

Rank City, . . . . . . . .Percentage democrat/Black



313 Dayton, OH . . . . . .43.9%


314 Richmond, VA . . . . .58.0%


315 Kansas City, MO . .. 32.0%


316 Washington, DC . . . .61.5%


317 New Orleans, LA . . . 68.1%


318 Memphis, TN . . . . . 62.1%


319 Compton, CA . . . . . 41.8%


320 West Palm Beach, FL .33.3%


321 Tampa, FL . . . . . . 26.9%


322 Camden, NJ . . . . . .55.5%


323 Gary, IN .. . . . . . 85.5%

324 Baltimore, MD . . . . 65.3%


325 St. Louis, MO . . . . 52.2%


326 Atlanta, GA . . . . . 62.2%


327 Detroit, MI . . . . . 83.5%





rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


Your the democrat, your problem!


Here is one possible solution....


http://www.pjtv.com/ http://www.pjmedia.com/

Ethnicity # of Inmates % of Inmates


Black 80,228 / 40 mil pop = .002


White 128,882 / 224 mil pop = .00057


Hispanic 75,728 / 50 mil pop = .0015

.002/.000575 =3.47 times more likely democrats/blacks felons than whites

.0015/.000575 =2.63 times more likely democrats/hispanics felons than whites

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


Ah, first truth you have uttered....


The US Census declared that in 2010, 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:[40]
9.9% of all white persons, 26.6% Latino................
28.4% of all black persons.


224 mil x .099 = 22.176 mil

40 mil x .284 = 11.36 mil

50 mil x .266 = 13.3 mil


http://npc.umich.edu/poverty/


It looks like poor whites outnumber poor democrats/blacks by a factor of 2. If your "blame everything on poverty" theory is correct, poor whites should commit twice as many murders as poor democrats/blacks do. 


And yet democrats/blacks commit 50% of all murders.


How come?
 

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


marxist/leftist/progressive/communist/democrat/pedophile/genocidal maniac = all one and the same!

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt crack/cocaine which was manufactured and deliverd to black communities by the right wing CIA


institutionalized racism and over racism by LEOs

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


Since you are perpetually brainless, why bother with proper grammatics as you will only speak upon that which your master whispered in your ears for your morning cornholing!

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt this is categorically untrue - you are stupid


use your head and see if your numbers make sense


they are unreal

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt ya in the north!   OMG you are stupid as fuck


waht else happened in 1860 that may be of note??

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


The odds of a moron anti gunterd being conversant about slave codes, black codes, jim crow laws, the supreme court decision in dred scott, the deacons for defense, are non existent, we pro rights people are arguing with emotionally crippled morons!

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


Amazing how this information is straight from the FBI and the CDC

248 convicted serial killers 2014

Rate per 100k/ Population / # serial killers / race

0.065756141 / 223,553,265 / 147 / white

0.2055 / 38,929,319 / 80/ democrat/black

0.031697232 / 50,477,594 / 16 / democrat/hispanic

0.009509798 / 14,674,252 / 3 / asian

0.028430683 / 4,263,000 / 2 /native American

So since sane and intelligent people understand the crime levels are based on rates per population, it is indeed true that blacks are twice as likely to be serial killers than whites, 6 times more likely than Hispanics.

But since you idiots insist Hispanic’s are white, then the real rate difference is 3.12 times more likely blacks are to be serial killers.

Of course, we see where multiple forensic psychologists have already identified serial killers and pedophiles having the same exact set of habits, personalities, etc, etc…

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


Since your education only comes from what your master has told you to say and believe, why should anyone care what a pathological liar like you says, oh we dont, try again loser!

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt  dude... just think about it... pre civil war you claim the entire nation only had 1.6% of the population owning slaves


im so done with you. you cant even realize how WAY OFF YOU ARE


1.6% slaveowners in 1860 pre civil war??


why was there a civil war?


why were brothers fighting brothers?

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain 
by Michael A. Hoffman II ©Copyright 1999. 


Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were White slaves and they were America’s first slaves. 



These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary.

White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.
Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands.

Free Black property owners strutted the streets of northern and southern American cities while White slaves were worked to death in the sugar mills of Barbados and Jamaica and the plantations of Virginia.
 A study of the middle passage of White slaves was included in a Parliamentary Petition of 1659.

It reported that White slaves were locked below deck for two weeks while the slaveship was still in port. Once under way, they were “all the way locked up under decks…amongst horses.”

They were chained from their legs to their necks.



Those academics who insist that slavery is an exclusively Black racial condition forget or deliberately omit the fact that the word slave originally was a reference to Whites of East European origin – “Slavs.”

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


We get it, you want more blacks killed by their democrat slave masters and each other!

KKK: Lynchings 1882-1968 3,446

Chicago: 1991-2009 9,500 blacks killing blacks

Philadelphia: 2006-2009 1,196 blacks killing blacks

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt wtf game are you playing stupid?



i love the 1.6% slave owners in 1860...thats great

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt why is everything partisan politics to you? are you so inept that everything is binary?

digitalprotocol
digitalprotocol topcommenter

@rlemerysgt  please tell me why there was civil war if only 1.6 % of the population owned slaves


now fuck off and die after you do the math

rlemerysgt
rlemerysgt

@digitalprotocol 


I am not your master cornholing you in the mornings, hence I dont have to explain easily accessible history and facts to you, so maybe you should get a brain and do some research as actually why it occured sweety!

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