Pizza Luce Block Party with P.O.S., 8/13/11

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Photos by Erik Hess
Orion Treon of Phantom Tails
Pizza Luce Block Party 2011
August 13, 2011
Pizza Luce Uptown, Minneapolis

Though there are still a few worthy contenders left this summer (especially next weekend's double-header of the SoundTown Music Festival in Somerset and the West Bank Music Fest here in Minneapolis), Saturday's Pizza Luce Block Party might end up being the best outdoor concert Twin Cities music fans see this summer. 

Judged on the merits of headliner P.O.S.'s set alone, the free concert provided some positively exhilarating moments that pushed the crowd to its boiling point, and it was made all the sweeter with the accompaniment of nearly a dozen Minnesotan acts that kept the crowd on its feet (if not on its toes) for nearly 10 straight hours.

Here are a few highlights from Saturday's shindig:

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Best new act with a familiar member: Farewell Continental, fronted by Motion City Soundtrack's Justin Pierre. It was one of several points throughout the day that the block party's bookers threw a curveball at the mostly Current-fed, twentysomething audience. Though Farewell Continental's music might not immediately appeal to the indie crowd at Saturday's fest, the only way to discount Pierre's output with Farewell Continental is to disparage the genre of high-gloss post-punk as a whole; the band played with an incredible precision and energy, Pierre's pitch-perfect croon serving as the focal point for the band's poppy rock jams. The frontman also proved his emo street cred by wearing a long-sleeved shirt underneath his tee, despite the 80-degree day.

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Best new act with a familiar member, part II: Charles, who was re-billed as Fur Pillows when they changed their name on-air during a Radio K interview on Friday afternoon (there's already a "Charles" band in L.A., apparently). The band received a lot of attention in the weeks leading up to the block party due to Sean Tillmann (a.k.a. Har Mar Superstar's) involvement in the project, but the sullen rock jams churned out by the Fur Pillows were more akin to New Wave than Tillmann's kitschy solo dance-rock project. The set also featured the on-stage reunion of Tillmann and Jon Kelson -- who hadn't played together publicly since Calvin Krime's reunion set last summer -- but it was their fellow Arts High classmate Melinda Parks who really stole the show with her smoky, understated vocal melodies.

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Best cover: Communist Daughter playing the Hold Steady's "Knuckles." Though the band mostly stuck to songs off of last year's impeccable Soundtrack to the End, they've re-energized their sound with the addition of powerhouse drummer Ian Prince (Kid Dakota, Story of the Sea) and re-imagined a familiar tune with "Knuckles," giving it an even more bittersweet, fragile vibe. 


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Best drinking songs: The 4onthefloor, who excel at creating a party wherever they go. There were a lot of complaints about the beer lines at this year's block party (the food and booze stations were both cramped into the small lot in front of Pizza Luce's building, with a maze of intersecting lines creating a... what's the technical term... clusterfuck for hungry or thirsty attendees), but the 4onthefloor managed to conjure up a drunk-at-bar-close vibe despite their middle-of-the-afternoon set time. No wonder these guys have held down slots at nearly every block party and outdoor show this summer.

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Best booty-dancers: Spyder Baybie Raw Dog and 2% Muck, who invited MC La Manchita and a pair of backup dancers in barely-there shorts to shake their tail feathers while they played a set of raunchy rap songs. I couldn't help but giggle and wonder if the normally family-friendly event's organizers were getting more than they bargained for when Spyder brought up Doomtree's Mike Mictlan to demonstrate how to "scream into that pussy," but with anticipation mounting for P.O.S.'s set the sardine-packed crowd would have sat through anything at that point. Plus with the sun going down, most of the younguns had gone home by the time Spyder took the stage. I think.

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Best set, period: P.O.S., who riled up the crowd with a few familiar favorites off his last studio album, Never Better, and brought Mictlan back to the stage to tear things apart with "Yeah Right." Before they played the track P.O.S. instructed the crowd that they'd have a minute and 30 seconds to start a mosh pit, and the crowd responded in kind by using the brief, blistering song to go buck-wild, and at least one supercharged young man leapt over the barricade on the side of the stage and ran across it to dive into the crowd, arms and legs akimbo. The pair also used P.O.S.'s headlining slot to debut the title track off the a new track that riffed on the title to the forthcoming Doomtree full-length, No Kings, as well as a bass-heavy, blaring dubstep-inspired track off of P.O.S.'s new record that featured the chorus "I don't wanna think about it I just want to get down," which one friend said sounded just like being at popular Record Room dance night Get Cryphy. If those two tracks are any indication, it looks like P.O.S. will be taking yet another sharp turn with his new material, and the rattles of distorted bass certainly sounded to his work with Marijuana Deathsquads (whom P.O.S. collaborates with and occasionally employs as his live backing band). Both the P.O.S. solo album and the Doomtree full-crew record are coming down the pike this fall/winter, so we have a lot to look forward to from this camp in the coming months.

P.O.S. invited Sims to the stage to perform "Low Light Low Life," and then wrapped up his set with a joyous version of "Purexed" that had the crowd beaming. From his spot at the side of the stage, rapper Astronautalis acutely described the moment in a tweet: "Minneapolis really loves @YEAHRIGHTPOS. I mean, they don't just love his music...they love him. It is a rare thing to see this."

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Pizza Luce

3200 Lyndale Ave. S., Minneapolis, MN

Category: Restaurant


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Guest
Guest

Just want to jump in on this convo super late... But it's no secret the SBRD is a piss poor example of a human. I have personally witnessed him spit in a woman's face at a show this summer. She was less than pleased and did it did not appear to be part of the show. He has also been rumored to be abusive and an all-around asshole.

Bilky
Bilky

complete garbage, except for the childrens rap group. people have low standards. go figure.

Tom
Tom

have you ever heard the hidden track on overcast? I find this far, far more misogynistic than anything Spyder has rapped. Also, male dancers on stage... not a bad idea.

nate
nate

any thoughts on why these events are so crowded now as compared to a couple of years ago? are people being bussed in from the 'burbs or what? i'm totally happy for luce and the performers, but old school neighborhood guy (me) just isn't having any fun. maybe next year this could be a two day event or something to make it more manageable.

Pmikkalson
Pmikkalson

First, I'm eternally grateful to Pizza Luce' for even throwing this event and I understand it cost me nothing $0 to attend, so I got what I paid for. But, if you could see your way clear to rearrange the pizza/beer concessions, you'd make so many people very, very happy. I'm not a municipal planner, but I could envision a means of dramatically improving crowd flow after about ten minutes of observation. Please, please, please for next year; for me?

Kolby
Kolby

All these reviews and No Bird Sing doesn't seem to be getting the love they deserve.  The set was inspired.  Bringing Peter from PWC up on stage was a great moment.  Spyder Baybie or whatever it was... that was just bad enough to create space in front of the stage for POS fans to move up and get ready for the best set of the night. 

Ander Other
Ander Other

Nah. No songs from the upcoming Doomtree album "No Kings" were performed at the Pizza Luce Block Party.

Mike might put that new track out soon, though.

I hope the P.O.S album is finished this year. The sneak peeks were sweet.

Guy
Guy

They either need more space for this, or they need to start charging admission. I left after two minutes because I was way too sober to deal with that crowd and it would have taken two hours to get properly buzzed up considering how difficult it was to get beer. Hell is other people, particularly drunk white people.

thom
thom

Yeah, Andrea: Didn't you sense that a lot of the audience was turned off by the SBRD&2PM set? I felt like I was the only one clapping. And my girlfriend was no fan of the backup dancers.

Guest
Guest

From Uptown to LA, block party to stadium, you can always count on lecherous performers to find a way to demean women in public. At least now I know that Spyder Baybie (and Bight Club) are just more male predators disguising themselves as artists. You can dress it up with funny glasses and an ironic haircut, but it's still patriarchy.

Double Yawn
Double Yawn

Um, hi strangers. It was me that got spat on (unless there were multiple spitting incidents), and I DO happen to know him, quite well. He is obviously very childish, and immune to consequences, apparently. He's a very lost person and only a semi-decent performer with a pretty real drug problem. All y'all need to grow the fuck up. This is sad.

yawn.
yawn.

taking to a message board to publicly degrade the character of someone you don't like or know is a pretty good example of a piss poor human as well.

Drew
Drew

pretty serious accusations to be tossing around there buddy. glad you "just wanted to jump in" and give us your uninformed opinion about someone you've never met.

Guest
Guest

Overcast, as in Atmosphere's album? I'm not even gonna go into my opinion's on MN's darling rapper. You know, at least Slug acknowledges that he's kind of scummy, but that doesn't make him any less of a misogynyst. There's this blowjob song he did with MURS that truly disturbed me, so along with some other savory female-themed lyrics, I've basically got all I need to give up on Atmosphere. They can decry racism, classism, materialism and imperialism, but no rapper will touch sexism, which makes everything else they say pointles. At the core of every evil is male self-loathing/hatred and rejection of female power (creation, compassion, teaching, and peace).

Michael Scott
Michael Scott

Being a hipster is becoming increasingly trendy nowadays.  The majority of bands here cater to the hipster demographic, and the fact that uptown is the hipster capital of the surrounding to area it leads to aforementioned clusterfuck

Jack Spencer
Jack Spencer

I'm digging that new stuff so so much. Doomtree stay innovating.

Reed Fischer
Reed Fischer

Thanks Ander, rephrased. They fooled me with the lyrics. I hope the new P.O.S. record is finished soon, too.

Guest
Guest

Yes, because your girlfriend probably enjoys art and music that speaks to her like a person, not a blowjob-machine.

Reed Fischer
Reed Fischer

From where I was standing near the left side of the stage, people were laughing in disbelief and going along with it. But with the size of that crowd, it was hard to gauge the overall reaction. I'd be interested to hear other people's perspectives, I'd imagine it was the most divisive point of the evening.

roasted1
roasted1

it's called a party, you've clearly never been to one.

robert
robert

Wait, scarlet...  If anything, don't the women demean themselves?

Disservice
Disservice

I'll vouch for him being a fucking arrogant jerk. Watched him dress down the doorman at a club who wouldn't give him a drink bracelet. The dumbass didn't have any ID on him, yet it was the door guys fault. Tried to convince him that he was over 21 by acting like a whiny 8year old. He's a spoiled brat from the suburbs pretending to matter. His Twitter shows just what a drugged-up self-inflated shitstain of a loser he is:

spyderbaybie Young leather

I just got head from a girl who was driving a 1994 fiero

spyderbaybie Young leather

@ThugMnshAllStrz yeah boyee. There's a blowjob video from that show. Ill bring the flipper over there maybe 2nite even spyderbaybie Young leather

Talkin business on whip its spyderbaybie Young leather

See that's the thing about being cool. U don't even realize yer doing it

Might I suggesthttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...Get help and GO AWAY

Christin.
Christin.

To say that "no rapper will touch sexism" is a prejudiced overarching statement about an entire subculture, and quite frankly is a falsehood.  Also, by the way that you worded that statement, did mean that no MALE rapper will touch sexism? There are many MC's who, regardless of gender, are willing to address and confromt sexism.

Blaker
Blaker

I've come to realize that you don't know what misogyny is and that you are a poor judge of lyrical intent.

Good artists make you feel things.  Sometimes even anger.

The hidden track on Overcast (I believe it is called "Primer") is not even subtle about its satirical approach, and Slug caters more to his female fanbase than any other rapper alive.  Check out "Last to Say" by Atmosphere and then cry misogyny.

sue
sue

Again, YOU are the sexist one. You see a booty dancer and call her a blow-job machine. Fuck you, sexist.  

Michele
Michele

I thought that having that Spyder junk that late in the evening was a disservice to all the people there and the other bands who really brought it earlier in the day.

Also, would have rather just had a Sean-Na-Na set then listen to a garage jam.

You can have your joke bands, just let bands that were built for festival-type action play later in the day. they killed most of the flow of dancing / singing.

Guest
Guest

Women participate in their own oppression for many reasons. A distorted sense of acceptance from a male-dominated society, a lack of a moral father figure. Social backlash against women who don't participate in modern beauty standards and don't accept sex-driven marketing and popular culture. The male-promoted idea that sexual promiscuity and objectification is female liberation. Do you really need me to go into it?

To be fair though, it's not like Spyder Baybie hides their motivation. They wear their cartoon misogny like a stupid little headband. At least they make it easy for feminists to write them off. Most American men are a little more subtle with their womb-hatred.

And why did you call me scarlet? If you think that's my name, then your response (to who you thought was an angry little college girl or something) is even more patronizing than I intially thought. My name is Stefan. Nice to meet you Robert.

Guest
Guest

I did mean no male rapper. Apologies. Please list these rappers so I can listen to them. I have an admittedly shallow knowledge of the subtleties of hip-hop, so I'm sorry if I disregarded an entire movement. I think my point stands that no mainstream or popular rapper would discuss sexism, but please prove me wrong.

Christin.
Christin.

Music is a reflection of what is going on around us.  At times we should feel uncomfortable.  It is easy to close ones eyes and ignore the discomfort of the surronding world.  If SBRD or Slug make you feel uncomfortable, ask yourself why. Music is a reflection of us all, and our culture, even if the writer doesn't intend for it to be.  Regardless of whether we agree or disagree about whether either Slug or SBRD is sexist, they have caused people to care enough to discuss something real.

Guest
Guest

I haven't heard the song, so I apologize for making an assumption about its content. I'm not really interested in pursuing whether Slug is actually a misogynist, but I've heard enough blow-job and one-night stand lyrics from him that convince me that I'm not interested in one song where he's nice to women. I'm really just talking about his personality (hitting on interviewer's girlfriend, cataloging all the women he's fucked) and overall demeanor. He's not a prime example of misogyny, for sure, but he's no feminist.

Susan
Susan

This is just a description of what I experienced at the concert ... I thought the dancers were awesome and the music was great until the last two songs ... it suddenly felt like there was a lot of arrogance and disrespect coming from Spyder towards everyone ... towards his co-performers and even towards himself. It surprised me.

Maybe that's not what he intended and not what other people might have felt, but it definitely felt that not everyone was included in his party.

Susan
Susan

I wanted to hear more of La Manchita & Spyder together! The 4th to last song caught my attention and then the 3rd to last song was OMG... This.Is.A.Block.Party. Sooo much talent on that stage & the energy was electric. The booty was part of a fun group groove.

But, then the last two songs happened ... and there was no party ... at one point Spyder was "I hate these lyrics, song ... etc" and then he brought up Mictlan ... and suddenly it became somewhat mysogenistic|exclusionary .... and the spell was broken. Other girls around me, and some of the guys were like ... how did this get switched up?

Rodneyrazorback
Rodneyrazorback

Hello Stefan. 

My name is Claire,a.k.a. La Manchita (the “female mc”).

A few things:

I believe in equalrights—though I refrain from classifying myself as a “feminist” because I don’treally care for classifications, they look like limits to me.

I believe I havethe right to rap with whomever I so choose.

I believe that myvery dear friend, Jeremy (Spyder), has the right to rap about whatever he wantsto rap about, whether or not I agree with it.  I believe there is room forall of us, even you.

 

I believe in havingthe right to wear whatever I want... It was hot, I was sweating, I wore themost comfortable thing I had at my disposal--not that I should have to justifyany of my choices to you or to anyone.

 

I was once as angryas you, and it was a very lonely place to be.  To fight the world does not help you (or the world you mightbe trying to save) in the long run. Fighting for what you believe in has to be more than starting conflictwith everyone who disagrees with you. It has to start internally and must expand out through YOUR own actionsand behaviors, not by criticizing the choices of others.  Never has a message of hate or disgusttaught love and acceptance.  Andisn’t that what you claim “self-degrading” women are missing? We don’t acceptourselves as we are because we had icky daddies who didn’t love us properly?

 

And this: “A lack ofa moral father figure…” The idea of a “moral” anything is sadly archaic and TeaParty romantic.  This brings us allthe way back to the suffrage movement: the fight against the expectation offemale piety, domesticity and all the other components of the delusional notionof a “perfect woman.” 

I have never knownof anyone, male or female, to encounter true freedom or liberation by hidingand covering themselves up. Freedom is a choice, and I feel free: free to express myself as I seefit.  I welcome your freedom tovoice your opinion as well.  But Ican’t help but feel the pulse of your inner struggle permeating through youroutrage.  Please, for your ownsake, don’t alienate yourself from the world or from other women.

The greatest threatto feminism is women hating women. And that’s the truth.  Themedia and our social structure have trained us to disapprove of one another andto live competitively within our society. Recognizing and derailing myself from that train of thought is what hastruly brought me self-acceptance. By accepting others, I see no reason why I can’t love myself too—shortshorts and all.  I recommend it.

 

 I believe that by bringing other womenup to dance on stage—free as they please, in whatever manner makes themcomfortable—I am embracing femininity and encouraging other women to feelcomfortable with themselves.

 

I understand yourargument about women choosing to “degrade” themselves because of our patriarchal socialconditioning, but to deny these women any sort of comprehension of their ownbehavior is quite rude in that you assume ignorance, when in fact we might befar more conscious of our image than you give us credit for.

I don’t believe Iwas degrading myself, nor do I think Andi or Grace were degradingthemselves.  As far as I’mconcerned, dancing makes me happy. It changes my brain chemistry and I smile lots.  Since when is drug-free smiling andfeeling good a bad thing?  Also, Idon’t hate my body.  I have in thepast, but now there is no room in me for hate towards anyone, myselfincluded.  And I refuse to hateother women’s bodies for any reason (clothing, tattoos, cosmetic enhancements,too much eyeliner, etc.)…It’s a waste of time and it feels unnecessarily cruel.

 

Also, using Spyder’slyrics as a means of verifying our (the “dancers”) endorsement of misogynydoesn’t seem fair.  Isn’t itinteresting that you didn’t hear a single word I said?  My entire verse was about being astrong woman and not conforming or bending backward when the world is trying tocrush you. 

 

Judging people ontheir character: First of all, no judging is ever really necessary, unless youare assessing the safety of a situation for you or your loved ones.  Deciding whether or not someone isgood/acceptable or not, isn’t really anyone’s job. But just in case it interests you, I will give you a little of mypersonal background:

-Yeah, I graduatedfrom college, but I still don’t think that means anything about my value as aperson in comparison to anyone else. Nor do I think it means I can’t wear shortshorts or thongs or a banana suit if I want to.

-I have been raisingchildren for 6 years and I will never tell my little girls they can’t bewhatever they want to be, even if that turns out to be a stripper or aprostitute (or a rapper that sometimes raps next to a dude who talks about blow-jobs alot).  I will love them anyway.

-I understand whatsexism is and I have experienced it in extremes, both professionally and personally.

-Yet, I survivesexism, daily.  Even from otherwomen.

 

Good luck in yourquest, Stefan.  I really do hopeyou find peace.

Love,

Claire.

Reed Fischer
Reed Fischer

Sir, your hypocrisy is showing. Saying that La Manchita and her dancers were being objectified because they were "performing to male music, in a male genre" is one of the most misogynistic things I've read all day. And I read a lot of internet comments.

Guest
Guest

Just stop deflecting the argument already. I didn't insult any of the women personally, just criticized the event and the content of the music. And it doesn't matter if the dancers are lesbians; that is in fact a stupid argument. Although they were possibly brought there by a female MC (who's wearing just barely more then they are), the dancers are performing to male music, in a male genre, for the benefit of a male crowd. One of the dancers has posted on her and said she was personally asked by Spyder to perform, so it sounds like the men engineered the performance. And even if they were dancing for the countless lesbian hip-hop fans at the Block Party, that doesn't mean they weren't being objectified. Women are also capable of treating others like meat. The dancers weren't there to add artistically to the music. They were hired to be fleshy, nearly-naked status symbols for the rappers. And until Spyder Bight gets his thong out and shakes it with the best of them, he's just another boy using music to satisfy his erotic domination fantasies.

sue
sue

Oh, I meant "fuck you" as a reference to their music too. 

You called those dancers blow-job machines, it's as simple as that. Go ahead and hate Spyder's music and lyrics (I'm not talking about his music at all here), but you have made that hate towards him into an embarrassing argument against female sexuality. What if the dancers are lesbians? Then they are doing it for the female audience? Seems like your argument falls apart right there. You sir, are the sexist one. 

Guest
Guest

I was referring to the content of the music (you know, the lyrics that only discuss women in terms of what sex act they're performing or how arousing their appearance is), not personally insulting anyone. That seems to be your weapon of choice.

Bilky
Bilky

amen. complete crap.

Disservice
Disservice

The interactions I've had with this childish "artist" have been overwhelmingly negative. For you to assume that "Nutz" has the mental fortitude to do satire is giving him WAY too much credit. He's a coked out, self-important, scene-ster jackass who tweets about getting head in a Porta-Potty and begs people for Adderall. Can't wait for him to fade out. The fact that he has lasted even this long illustrates why TC music if often dismissed by the national community. He's the equivalent of someone taking a giant shit on our potential. PLEASE stop wasting this kind of opportunity on low-lifes. We have far better/more deserving talent out there, in droves.

HJ65
HJ65

sue has a point. you started off sounding like an ok feminist and now sound like michelle bachmann or somthing. sounds like you'd rather us all be back in the victorian era when women only showed their ankles. or you sound like what an arab man would tell to his wife so she would cover up more. 

Guest
Guest

Like what? And why would you ask me a question if you're done with me? Sorry for being blunt, but try using logic, it might work better than just by insulting me. I'm open to real arguments, but I won't shut up just because some angry, affronted person doesn't want to listen to what I have to say.

sue
sue

Wow, you just said so many uninformed, insulting, personally attacking, ignorant, contradictory, and sexist statements that I am done with you after I write this. Can't argue with a crazy!

p.s. So, educated women can't be sexual and slutty?   

sue
sue

"all people should be judged by their personal character, kindness, and fairness towards others."

But YOU sure seem to be judging the women on stage. YOU are assuming that they only do it for the men's cheering and acceptance. YOU are the sexist. 

Guest
Guest

Ok, please let me remind you that the argument "I do it and I'm a woman" doesn't prove anything. I'm not hating anything, and I don't love you back because we don't know each other; I tend to use powerful words like hate and love on the rare occasion that they actually apply.

How can some of their music be "satirical and hilarious while some is offensive and mysogenistic (sic)?" That defeats the whole purpose of satire. An art project can't be only partly satirical.

Also, the gay community is very capable of participating in sexism. Ever since the movement gained real steam in the 70's there has always been criticism of gay males disrespecting their female counterparts, relegating them to tedious duties, and dismissing their struggle for gender equality. I've met some incredibly sexist gay men, and it's even more offensive because they speak from this self-proclaimed throne of total gender understanding. That's a whole different (and well-documented) argument. And a moot point.

Yeah, 50 years ago when some women were burning bras and sleeping with whoever they wanted, that was a rejection of "patriarchal tropes of social acceptability." But guess what? It's not anymore. You see half-naked women everywhere you go. Grocery store, billboard, practically any website, not to mention music and television. Who are the popular female performers? Overwhelmingly it's young women with big cleavage, few clothes, and a "liberated" sexuality. If you really wanted to end patriarchy, you should be doing the things they don't want you to do. Like study science or history, or learn to play an instrument really well.

I have no idea what it's like to be a woman. There are so many mixed signals, from evangelicals telling you to not use birth control, to rappers telling you to swallow their jizz. There are many contradictions; a woman has to be sexual but not slutty, educated but not confrontational, happy but not when they're alone. Either way, it's men (and the women they control) telling you that they own your body. And look, here I am, another man, preaching to a woman about what she should do. Typical.

But I don't want you to do anything in particular. In fact I just want women to make their own educated, honest choices. I think it's noble that you're trying to liberate female and queer sexuality, but blindly "embracing the contradictions of survival" sounds a whole lot like "getting objectified is the natural way of things and I'm not gonna try to change it." I don't fault you, or any girl who's takes pride in being 5 seconds of jiggling ass in a rap video. I fault the male architects of our society, and any culture at-large that defends "sexual object" as a logical career move for women.

sue
sue

Thanks Andi. You are so right and thanks for writing here. 

Guest
Guest

See, this is where my mind fails me. You said exactly what I did, but in 2 sentences. Well done.

Seym0033
Seym0033

Just to clear up your confusion on the matter of choice. Im andi im on the right in the picture w Spyder. It was 100% my choice to participate in the show the way i did. Spyder is my friend he appreciates the way i entertain, unlike you. That's fine i love haters like you. And yes some of spyder's music is satirical and hilarious while some is offensive and mysogenistic. How dare you sight his lyrics as proof that i am degrading myself doing what i love. Also had you paid any attention you'd have noticed that we were LaManchita's back up dancers.(a female mc)furthermore booty bounce is a huge element to queer culture right now, to say that my fine ass is only there to satisfy the male gaze is fucking ignorant. Many people of many genders enjoyed watching& learning. Im also a dedicated feminist, sex positive sex worker and queer activist, embracing the contradictions of survival in this world. If you have a problem w his lyrics then say so, but in the end you truly are the sexist here by displacing your anger in a slut shaming way on the more vulnerable easier to critcize female performers through patriarchal tropes of social acceptability.KEEP HATING. I LOVE YOU

Guest
Guest

That's an interesting thought, but just listening to a couple of their songs (along with Bight Club) is enough to convince me otherwise. Satire would require them to blow up the cliches to absurd proportions, either through lyrics or performance. They don't discuss sexism/female objectification enough in-depth (or with enough exaggeration) to demonstrate that it's more than standard, lazy, cock-minded lyricism (with a healthy does of un-earned swagger and egomaniacal self-obsession).

They're definitely absurd, and easily taken as a joke, especially with that nasally, nerd-chic dread-head MC, but don't offer anything significantly different than most other rap content . The look, along with the Macbook electro-beats, is an effort to slide into the indie/Doomtree hip-hop crowd and get laid. "Look, we're weird and seemingly funny guys, rap over non-mainstream beats, and we really hope some white girls will think we're the new thing and start taking off their clothes."

A satirical cock-rap group would be pretty spectacular, though hip-hop misogyny is so extreme that it would be difficult to make the point. A woman would have to participate, for start. She could wear baggy jeans and a hoodie and spank around some speedoed, dorky white kid (our typical twin cities hip-hop audience in some fishnets and booty shorts maybe). Das Racist is pretty interesting satire, but not much concerned about sexism. They focus more on commodity-and-internet culture absurdity, and ridicule hip-hop's obsession with ego and sex, but they're not brave enough to really tear up some of these really vile, misogynistic MC's. It's a male-dominated genre, and most men really hate discussing women's rights. It's a combination of guilt, womb-envy (after all women are the creators and men are the created), and social pressure to be a dominant being. But I think a lot of men are catching up. That'll be the real revolution.

Duder
Duder

Satire? That would mean Spyder Baby has been doing a satire of being an asshole when he's off-stage, too. Must take a lot of dedication to keep up the act 24/7

Reed Fischer
Reed Fischer

Have you contemplated the possibility of Spyder Babyie & Co.'s performance being a satire? Not saying it was for sure (not knowing whether to take it seriously was part of what held my interest throughout their set), but I think it could add another layer to the discussion.

Guest
Guest

First of all, I'm not denying women the right to claim their sexuality. Shake your ass and have as much sex as you want, as long as it's really your choice. My problem is that these "choices" many women make are fed to them by the male media machine. Their expression of sexuality is always under a male presence, and aimed at a male audience. If it was truly equal there would be attractive men dancing up there too, maybe getting spanked, choked, insulted and sprayed with milk, all the things that women supposedly enjoy having done to them. Take make-up and fashion for instance. How can so many women make a free-will, independent choice to dress and look the same way? They are following trends, not fashion ideas of their own, but what they are told is popular/attractive/fashionable. Men do the same thing, purchasing identities that they think will win them social approval. If these women independently enjoyed their sexuality, they wouldn't feel the need to enjoy it so publicly.

Have you actually listened to Spyder Baybie's (excuse for) music, or most hip-hop for that matter? They're not saying "hey girl with an education, let's have some mutual enjoyment and do things we both want to do, as long as you're into it." It's more like "so many bitches on my dick, some slut over there and some slut over here, and now I'm sexually gratified."

There's no concern for individuality or personal worth. It could be any women, any gyrating ass on that stage and it wouldn't matter, as long as they pleased the male gaze. I'm not telling any woman what to do, or criticizing any women who's idea of sexuality is different than mine. But honestly, you are just playing into their game, by acting like you enjoy being valued based on your looks and willingness to satisfy a man's desire. Or maybe you do enjoy it, and think that men cheering you while you strip makes for great personal validation. Enjoy it while you're still young and these men are still interested in you, because they will find another woman to socialize with pretty quickly.

And forgive me for not getting the Scarlet Johansson reference. Celebrity and pop culture aren't really at the top of my mind, which is probably why I make some so angry by demanding that all people should be judged by their personal character, kindness, and fairness towards others.

sue
sue

1. He called you "scarlet" because of scarlet johansson - an easy assumption to jump to based on your internet name. Don't be so damn defensive in thinking he was patronizing you because you are a "angry little college girl". You do, however, sound like an angry college student straight out of Feminism 101 though. 

2. YOU are the sexist one, Stefan. What, women can't make their own decisions to be as taudry as they want? It's only men's influence on women and men's mind-control on women to make them do what they do? Men are the only ones who enjoy sex and sexuality? When a woman enjoys sex and sexuality they are just doing it for men? I'm a woman and I say fuck you, and fuck you hard. The fact that you are a man makes everything you say that much more ridiculous. You have no idea what it is like to be female, and you never will. Get off your intellectual high-horse until you actually sit down and ask those booty dancers on stage why they do what they do.   

Guest
Guest

Well, since their female DJ doesn't seem to have a problem with rape fantasies, womb-hatred and stunted male adolescense, I'm sure the evening will be quite intellectually satisfying for you.

robert
robert

Now that we're friends, I can't wait to hangout with you at the Odd Future show!

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