Joan Baez: I made a decision not to be a nostalgia act
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"Ask what you wanna know, not what you think someone else wants to know," says Joan Baez over the phone, her voice laced with years of wry insight. At 72 years old, Baez comes across as decades younger, spry and streetwise but not world-weary -- even for the decades she's seen, living her life out in the eye of what she calls a "perfect storm."
Baez is known to many people for different things, but the two strongest identities she has are for her music and her activism -- both of which go hand in hand. She first gained notoriety in the '60s as a prominent voice of the peace movement, and over the years, she has lent her voice to a multitude of causes -- everything from the Civil Rights movement and the Vietnam War up through the Iraq War and the Occupy Wall Street movement. She has an extensive catalog that spans over 30 albums, and she's certainly a lot more to look at these days than her former beau Bob Dylan.
Now, this summer, Baez is on tour again. She's set to perform at the Minnesota Zoo Amphitheater on Thursday, and Gimme Noise had the opportunity to chat with the legendary artist ahead of her show. Baez isn't short on experience, wisdom, or opinions; read on to discover what she has to say about the state of the world and music today.
Gimme Noise: Tell me about this new tour. What made you decide to go on the road this summer?
Joan Baez: Well, it's inevitable that I just go out still, probably not for that long. It's not "why" so much as "where and when," and now, the easiest route, the better. I don't feel like forging new territory and stuff. [Laughs] I still enjoy singing, and I love the bus. I love my traveling family.
You're an activist, and you've seen this country and world change so much over the years, and you've absorbed it all through your own unique lens. Do you see any similarities in the cultural and political climate of the '60s and '70s versus today?
It's important to acknowledge that there's never gonna be another ten-year span like the one I was lucky enough to be born into -- the willingness to take risks, the activism, the Civil Rights movement, the war in Vietnam. It was an oddly perfect storm, and it affected us all. At the same time, there was this enormous surge of talent, with the Dylans and the Lennons and their capacity to write songs, and what happened musically. The counter-culture became culture. It went from underground songs to the public screen and radio, and that was a time period that won't be repeated.
Our process now for the people is to realize that, and see what there is now. It may not crack up. Musically, for me, I haven't heard anything as moving and as powerful as anything that came out of that time period -- and it's not just about the music. I am surprised, a lot of the time, about the young people, because they don't have a very good legacy about us -- when it came to the Reagan years, when everything came to a halt and started going backwards. There's still a fight for consciousness against greed; to try and do something good that you're moved to do in a world like this one is very difficult.
My motto is: "Little victories and big defeats." It's a very grim thing that we're walking into -- this beautiful life and beautiful world threatened with extinction, really. Not the earth -- the earth will remain -- but what we've done to ourselves as a race and the animal world. We're teetering, and I think people need to find what they're capable of and go and do it, and revive some passion and caring, and make the world as good a place as you can make it be.
[Pause] ....Well, that was a hell of answer, wasn't it? [Laughs]
In Minnesota, we've [just passed] a bill recognizing gay marriage.
Yeah, that was a struggle for you guys, wasn't it? Minnesota took a long time.
Sometimes it seems that we have advanced so little in our viewpoints over the last fifty years. Can you put this in perspective for me?
[Laughs] Well, I think the expression "learn from experience" is bologna, because we're putting our own personal needs in front of anything that might need to be learned. You'd think that after World War II and the Vietnam War... I think we were just born with a bad gene. I think in relation to that -- in our addiction to war and violence -- I think human nature is made up of both the good and the bad, and I think the point is to have a willingness to be open to change and to love. What did Gandhi say? About how easy it is to react rather than think. The question is, which one are you going to organize? And unfortunately, it is easier to organize violence than human decency.
At the same time, there are things that are sort of shockingly happening. I mean, a black president, for better or worse -- or however more conservative he is than I thought he would be... the liberal plan to basically take over is in some ways in progress. But the little victories are very hard in the party political system, and for me, I've never been able to work in that context or have much faith in it.